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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 18:42 - May 27 by Trequartista
Ha ha look at them go! Like piranha jumping from the water. WE DEMAND TO KNOW YOUR VIEWS, and while we're waiting we'll make some up for you so we can attack.
I'm talking about this thread instead of being "look at this story, isn't it horrible?", which is how the thread started, it's a trap because it turns into "look at this story i'm going to try and reel in people who don't comply on the wider debate"
I can't see any other reason to post it, we've all seen the story, we all think it's disgusting, there's no other point in posting it.
Please point to where any views were demanded.
Views were offered. Views were countered. Life goes on (for most). That's what a forum is for.
The fact that you see no reason to post stories like this for discussion is a failure of your intellect, not mine. You also overestimate yourself. I genuinely have no desire to discuss this post with you because you will offer little to no insight on the subject. I'd be better off seeking options from my pot plant.
[Post edited 27 May 2020 18:50]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 18:42 - May 27 by Trequartista
Ha ha look at them go! Like piranha jumping from the water. WE DEMAND TO KNOW YOUR VIEWS, and while we're waiting we'll make some up for you so we can attack.
I'm talking about this thread instead of being "look at this story, isn't it horrible?", which is how the thread started, it's a trap because it turns into "look at this story i'm going to try and reel in people who don't comply on the wider debate"
I can't see any other reason to post it, we've all seen the story, we all think it's disgusting, there's no other point in posting it.
I like how, despite no bait being offered, you've decided to throw a tantrum and make a prat of yourself anyway.
[Post edited 27 May 2020 18:51]
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 18:42 - May 27 by Trequartista
Ha ha look at them go! Like piranha jumping from the water. WE DEMAND TO KNOW YOUR VIEWS, and while we're waiting we'll make some up for you so we can attack.
I'm talking about this thread instead of being "look at this story, isn't it horrible?", which is how the thread started, it's a trap because it turns into "look at this story i'm going to try and reel in people who don't comply on the wider debate"
I can't see any other reason to post it, we've all seen the story, we all think it's disgusting, there's no other point in posting it.
I happened to agree with the OP, but then got attacked in numbers for having a non-compliant view.
Those who claim to be Liberals are not very welcoming of views that don't match theirs.
Certain amount of weaponising and trolling going on by some, who then get triggered by a response.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:04 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I happened to agree with the OP, but then got attacked in numbers for having a non-compliant view.
Those who claim to be Liberals are not very welcoming of views that don't match theirs.
Certain amount of weaponising and trolling going on by some, who then get triggered by a response.
No you didn't.
You were shown why you were working from a faulty definition of white privilege and you refused to engage with it. This isn't about matching ideologies, this is about something as basic as you not understanding the core concept of the thing you're disagreeing with.
But then you go even further that that by rather than actually trying to understand why you're wrong (not according to me, but by the very definition of the thing you're railing against) you stick your fingers in your ears and fall back on your trusty 'agree to disagree' routine.
You're entitied to your opinions, but those opinions aren't entitled to be taken seriously when they're built on a foundation of incorrect assumptions.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:10 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I simply disagreed, I don't like the use of generic terms used in an attempt to over simplify a complex issue.
It's just not useful in this type of discussion.
My argument is that it's significantly more nuanced and complex than 'yeah wot about poor white people' which is your argument. You have an extremely basic understanding of what privilege is, and instead of taking the opportunity to learn more you just close your mind
People refusing to engage with facts is not helpful to this discussion.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:11 - May 27 by SpruceMoose
No you didn't.
You were shown why you were working from a faulty definition of white privilege and you refused to engage with it. This isn't about matching ideologies, this is about something as basic as you not understanding the core concept of the thing you're disagreeing with.
But then you go even further that that by rather than actually trying to understand why you're wrong (not according to me, but by the very definition of the thing you're railing against) you stick your fingers in your ears and fall back on your trusty 'agree to disagree' routine.
You're entitied to your opinions, but those opinions aren't entitled to be taken seriously when they're built on a foundation of incorrect assumptions.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:15 - May 27 by SpruceMoose
My argument is that it's significantly more nuanced and complex than 'yeah wot about poor white people' which is your argument. You have an extremely basic understanding of what privilege is, and instead of taking the opportunity to learn more you just close your mind
People refusing to engage with facts is not helpful to this discussion.
I have provided my views, not sure we have much more to discuss.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:15 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I understand it. You let yourself down when you try to talk down to people, it's not a good look.
I don't think the term White Privilege is helpful, it's become weaponised and antagonistic, with a hint of racial prejudice.
I have no issue with the term 'institutional racism' and I don't doubt that exists, I just don't like the term White Privilege, and that's OK.
Now we are getting somewhere. So it's fair to say you feel threatened by the term? You feel it reflects on you personally?
The idea that white privilege is somehow prejudiced against white people is certainly interesting though...
[Post edited 27 May 2020 19:19]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:16 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
Thats your opinion. No worries.
We rarely agree.
No. It's not my opinion. White privilege has a very clear definition and it is not the one you are using. Until you can get to grips with that your whole argument is undermined.
That there's your problem. You don't care about what is actually true. You just don't want to concede that you might be wrong.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:21 - May 27 by SpruceMoose
No. It's not my opinion. White privilege has a very clear definition and it is not the one you are using. Until you can get to grips with that your whole argument is undermined.
That there's your problem. You don't care about what is actually true. You just don't want to concede that you might be wrong.
It has a definition as a theory, like many theories do.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:21 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
Nope, I can disagree without feeling threatened. You should never assume or presume.
I just wish you'd actually engage with something you feel bothered enough to comment on but not bothered enough to learn about.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:22 - May 27 by SpruceMoose
I just wish you'd actually engage with something you feel bothered enough to comment on but not bothered enough to learn about.
I have certainly engaged.
You could have built on the fact that I said I didn't doubt that institutional racism exists, but instead you willfully ignored that and tried to force me to agree with you.
You are succeeding in proving Trekkers to be correct.
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:24 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I have certainly engaged.
You could have built on the fact that I said I didn't doubt that institutional racism exists, but instead you willfully ignored that and tried to force me to agree with you.
You are succeeding in proving Trekkers to be correct.
You haven't engaged. If you had, and actually read the link, you would see that your 'what about poor white people' statement is fully addressed.
So either you didn't bother to read it. Or you read it and dismissed it because you didn't like it and decided to play the victim card instead.
Either way your thoughts on this are a waste of everyone's time if you lack the desire to display reflexivity about it.
And to save you the bother, I know "agree to disagree".
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:31 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I refer the honorable gentleman back to my acknowledgement of institutional racism in some sections of society.
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MM: But there are poor white people!
Spruce: Yeah I know, but that fits within the framework of white privilege. Here's how.
MM: Don't like it so no.
Repeat for ever and ever on every single subject.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Another day, another black man murdered by police in the States on 19:39 - May 27 by Marshalls_Mullet
I have spelled out my views on both institutional racism, and the term White Privilege.
As you were, usual agreement stands.
Yeah and we can all agree that they're wrong.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
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