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These dangerous conspiracies have to stop. You don’t defeat racism with racism aimed at another ethno-religious community.
That I thought about posting this yesterday, changed my mind, typed it twice this morning before deleting it to avoid accusations of having a go at the black community, is an indication that a very uncomfortable debate needs to take place regarding the attitudes towards Jews from some members of that black community in America. Especially those who are influenced by Louis Farrakhan.
In response, former NBA player Stephen Jackson defended Desean Jackson’s Hitler post by saying it’s “truth”. This follows on from a series of antisemitic statements from Ice Cube and other high profile black Americans.
It’s right to continue to support the black community in their fight against institutional racism but some sections of that community should not be putting themselves against another minority. It plays inti the hands if those who practice dived and rule.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:24 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont
I'm not one to call for people being banned or getting precious when challenged. But GB is so feck him.
His constant game playing and lying isn't acceptable.
It's more the false accusations of racism whenever he sees fit, combined with the ominous threats to report posts and posters to 'relevant outside bodies' that concerns me (and others judging from PM conversations I've had).
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:08 - Jul 8 by monytowbray
I suppose being wrong about everything, piling in with abuse and goading me to get me banned would die down when I was booted off.
It’s okay mate, one day you might have an opinion or vote for a party on the right side of humanity for a change but the last decade (and 2020 so far particularly) haven’t faired well.
“What austerity?!” “Political point scoring!” “Middle class white boys!”
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:37]
Again, that simply isn't true.
When you returned to the board I sent you a PM that remains unopened offering to put aside any differences we had in the past. I was quite happy to offer an olive branch.
FYI. You were not goaded and you weren't abused. The only thing I regret saying to you was that you welcomed the covid death numbers with glee. That was unacceptable and something I regret saying.
It was, however, posted after I had recived a toreent of abuse in posts from you over a sustained period that Phil had to remove, where you called me a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person, told me I was not better than the racists and on at least three separate occasions that I had blood on my hands and that no amount of clapping for the NHS could wash away the blood..
All because I made the following three points
1. The killing of George Floyd was clear cut murder and all of those in valves in his killing should face the full force of the law, no matter what their skin colour.
2. The response to George Floyd’s murder from people of colour is entirely their right and nobody else is entitled to tell them what form that protest should take.
3. The majority of the violence appears (at the time of posting) to be coming from middle class white boys and that this action is going to make things a lot harder for the black community. It’s heartbreaking to see POC pleading with white boys smashing up the neighbourhood in their name.
You were finally banned for a series of abusive posts aimed at Bully. I wasn't involved in that thread. This was after a period where you aimed similar abuse at Stokie and he chose to stop conversing with you.
Once again, I am happy to respond to your posts in a respectful manner but please cut out the lies and the abuse. That isn't too much to ask.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:44 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
Again, that simply isn't true.
When you returned to the board I sent you a PM that remains unopened offering to put aside any differences we had in the past. I was quite happy to offer an olive branch.
FYI. You were not goaded and you weren't abused. The only thing I regret saying to you was that you welcomed the covid death numbers with glee. That was unacceptable and something I regret saying.
It was, however, posted after I had recived a toreent of abuse in posts from you over a sustained period that Phil had to remove, where you called me a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person, told me I was not better than the racists and on at least three separate occasions that I had blood on my hands and that no amount of clapping for the NHS could wash away the blood..
All because I made the following three points
1. The killing of George Floyd was clear cut murder and all of those in valves in his killing should face the full force of the law, no matter what their skin colour.
2. The response to George Floyd’s murder from people of colour is entirely their right and nobody else is entitled to tell them what form that protest should take.
3. The majority of the violence appears (at the time of posting) to be coming from middle class white boys and that this action is going to make things a lot harder for the black community. It’s heartbreaking to see POC pleading with white boys smashing up the neighbourhood in their name.
You were finally banned for a series of abusive posts aimed at Bully. I wasn't involved in that thread. This was after a period where you aimed similar abuse at Stokie and he chose to stop conversing with you.
Once again, I am happy to respond to your posts in a respectful manner but please cut out the lies and the abuse. That isn't too much to ask.
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:52]
Point 3 is disingenuous made up nonsense aimed solely at supporting whatever game you're trying to play. You were told that at the time but continued to lie about it.
I take exception to you lying about what's happening over here, and exploiting the heartbreak in my home to further your games. It's disgusting.
No desire to discuss it further, you've got me on ignore anyway, but I wanted other posters to be able to get the actual truth behind your comments.
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:53]
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:44 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
Again, that simply isn't true.
When you returned to the board I sent you a PM that remains unopened offering to put aside any differences we had in the past. I was quite happy to offer an olive branch.
FYI. You were not goaded and you weren't abused. The only thing I regret saying to you was that you welcomed the covid death numbers with glee. That was unacceptable and something I regret saying.
It was, however, posted after I had recived a toreent of abuse in posts from you over a sustained period that Phil had to remove, where you called me a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person, told me I was not better than the racists and on at least three separate occasions that I had blood on my hands and that no amount of clapping for the NHS could wash away the blood..
All because I made the following three points
1. The killing of George Floyd was clear cut murder and all of those in valves in his killing should face the full force of the law, no matter what their skin colour.
2. The response to George Floyd’s murder from people of colour is entirely their right and nobody else is entitled to tell them what form that protest should take.
3. The majority of the violence appears (at the time of posting) to be coming from middle class white boys and that this action is going to make things a lot harder for the black community. It’s heartbreaking to see POC pleading with white boys smashing up the neighbourhood in their name.
You were finally banned for a series of abusive posts aimed at Bully. I wasn't involved in that thread. This was after a period where you aimed similar abuse at Stokie and he chose to stop conversing with you.
Once again, I am happy to respond to your posts in a respectful manner but please cut out the lies and the abuse. That isn't too much to ask.
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:52]
Your first comment on the George Floyd killing and ensuing unrest was to link a tweet from a notorious alt-right conspiracy theorist saying that the majority of the rioting was coming from 'Antifa', which you happily parroted.
When several people questioned that line of accusation, you claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down', a really rather disgraceful comment, before pivoting to the 'middle class white boys' line. Despite no-one having a problem with condemning opportunist rioters, you kept banging on about it to the extent it came across like you were brushing over everything else (whilst repeating your assertion that people 'didn't care' about black people's businesses), which rubbed certain people up the wrong way.
If you want people to address the 'truth' then it's only fair to give an accurate representation of the facts.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 19:06 - Jul 8 by LankHenners
Your first comment on the George Floyd killing and ensuing unrest was to link a tweet from a notorious alt-right conspiracy theorist saying that the majority of the rioting was coming from 'Antifa', which you happily parroted.
When several people questioned that line of accusation, you claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down', a really rather disgraceful comment, before pivoting to the 'middle class white boys' line. Despite no-one having a problem with condemning opportunist rioters, you kept banging on about it to the extent it came across like you were brushing over everything else (whilst repeating your assertion that people 'didn't care' about black people's businesses), which rubbed certain people up the wrong way.
If you want people to address the 'truth' then it's only fair to give an accurate representation of the facts.
This is my first comment from that thread.
"That speech from Killer smile was dignified, impassioned and heartbreaking all at the same time.
He’s right that change can only come from the ballot box or peaceful protest. Which by in large the majority of the black community are participating in.
What the black community don't need are AntiFa thugs stoking the fires and bringing even more trouble in the black community."
I'm not sure who these alt right conspiracy theorist that I linked are. I linked three videos posted on twitter showing white thugs vandalising black communities. One was from Maajid who I follow. The other two were on Maajid's timeline.
My next comment was
"It’s also only 55 years since Jim Crow and 155 years since the end of slavery.
It is going to take several more generations before so much of that recent history becomes well and truly consigned to the past".
It's completely untrue to say when several people questioned that line of accusation, I claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down'
What I actually said was "Do you think that white privileged AntiFa thugs burning down black communities and black owned business, ignoring the pleas of peaceful black protesters and community leaders, is going to lead to any positive change"?
Could you link my post where I said what you claimed? If not then perhaps withdraw that one.
My next post:
"That’s exactly what Trump wants. This will sadly harden his core supporters because all they’ll see is “n*iggers” rioting and looting.
The black community are angry and quite rightly want change but they don’t want to burn their own community down to the ground. The anarchists just want anarchy, which is exactly what Trump wants and needs when he is faltering in the polls.2
and a couple more along the same line etc etc.
I was then accused by Callis as being as bad as the racists. I replied
"So agreeing with people like Killer Mike, who is urging people not to burn down their communities, and supporting the number of of POC protesters who are pleading with the white bandwagon jumpers to stop smashing up their communities and making things worse for POC, is making me as bad as the racists. You lost all Sense of reason some time ago."
Now that is an accurate representation of the facts.I can link the thread of you like.
I don't think any of the above was deserving of being called of me being called a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person.
If Callis wants to kick off again then it's only going to end one way. That's not what I want. I would prefer not to be misrepresented and lied about and it's sad to see you engaging in the same. Funny how some people remember things differently than how they actually happened so I'm glad to copy the posts to refresh your memory.
Now if you don't mind I'd rather not waste my time re running a thread from 31 May.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 19:33 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
This is my first comment from that thread.
"That speech from Killer smile was dignified, impassioned and heartbreaking all at the same time.
He’s right that change can only come from the ballot box or peaceful protest. Which by in large the majority of the black community are participating in.
What the black community don't need are AntiFa thugs stoking the fires and bringing even more trouble in the black community."
I'm not sure who these alt right conspiracy theorist that I linked are. I linked three videos posted on twitter showing white thugs vandalising black communities. One was from Maajid who I follow. The other two were on Maajid's timeline.
My next comment was
"It’s also only 55 years since Jim Crow and 155 years since the end of slavery.
It is going to take several more generations before so much of that recent history becomes well and truly consigned to the past".
It's completely untrue to say when several people questioned that line of accusation, I claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down'
What I actually said was "Do you think that white privileged AntiFa thugs burning down black communities and black owned business, ignoring the pleas of peaceful black protesters and community leaders, is going to lead to any positive change"?
Could you link my post where I said what you claimed? If not then perhaps withdraw that one.
My next post:
"That’s exactly what Trump wants. This will sadly harden his core supporters because all they’ll see is “n*iggers” rioting and looting.
The black community are angry and quite rightly want change but they don’t want to burn their own community down to the ground. The anarchists just want anarchy, which is exactly what Trump wants and needs when he is faltering in the polls.2
and a couple more along the same line etc etc.
I was then accused by Callis as being as bad as the racists. I replied
"So agreeing with people like Killer Mike, who is urging people not to burn down their communities, and supporting the number of of POC protesters who are pleading with the white bandwagon jumpers to stop smashing up their communities and making things worse for POC, is making me as bad as the racists. You lost all Sense of reason some time ago."
Now that is an accurate representation of the facts.I can link the thread of you like.
I don't think any of the above was deserving of being called of me being called a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person.
If Callis wants to kick off again then it's only going to end one way. That's not what I want. I would prefer not to be misrepresented and lied about and it's sad to see you engaging in the same. Funny how some people remember things differently than how they actually happened so I'm glad to copy the posts to refresh your memory.
Now if you don't mind I'd rather not waste my time re running a thread from 31 May.
Jack Posobiec's the alt-right man, makes sense that Nawaz would have it on his feed, and poor form for not checking the people you're linking lest you, as you did, accidentally support an alt-right viewpoint.
I misremembered the exact phrasing but your response to someone (falsely) complaining about "the many white people on here defending looting and rioting as a reasoned response", was "white privilege allows them to defend the burning of black owned businesses and black communities because it will never affect them". That is a very loaded sentence which, to any right thinking person, clearly suggests these forum members don't really care about the consequences of the rioting. I (and others) took issue with you on that at the time and you ignored it.
I never said you deserved the level of abuse you got and I don't really give a toss about your spat with callis so I won't bother addressing it, other than to reiterate that it seems unlikely that you can't see when you're (unnecessarily) poking the hornet's nest. Why the pair of you don't just stick each other on ignore is beyond me.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 19:33 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
This is my first comment from that thread.
"That speech from Killer smile was dignified, impassioned and heartbreaking all at the same time.
He’s right that change can only come from the ballot box or peaceful protest. Which by in large the majority of the black community are participating in.
What the black community don't need are AntiFa thugs stoking the fires and bringing even more trouble in the black community."
I'm not sure who these alt right conspiracy theorist that I linked are. I linked three videos posted on twitter showing white thugs vandalising black communities. One was from Maajid who I follow. The other two were on Maajid's timeline.
My next comment was
"It’s also only 55 years since Jim Crow and 155 years since the end of slavery.
It is going to take several more generations before so much of that recent history becomes well and truly consigned to the past".
It's completely untrue to say when several people questioned that line of accusation, I claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down'
What I actually said was "Do you think that white privileged AntiFa thugs burning down black communities and black owned business, ignoring the pleas of peaceful black protesters and community leaders, is going to lead to any positive change"?
Could you link my post where I said what you claimed? If not then perhaps withdraw that one.
My next post:
"That’s exactly what Trump wants. This will sadly harden his core supporters because all they’ll see is “n*iggers” rioting and looting.
The black community are angry and quite rightly want change but they don’t want to burn their own community down to the ground. The anarchists just want anarchy, which is exactly what Trump wants and needs when he is faltering in the polls.2
and a couple more along the same line etc etc.
I was then accused by Callis as being as bad as the racists. I replied
"So agreeing with people like Killer Mike, who is urging people not to burn down their communities, and supporting the number of of POC protesters who are pleading with the white bandwagon jumpers to stop smashing up their communities and making things worse for POC, is making me as bad as the racists. You lost all Sense of reason some time ago."
Now that is an accurate representation of the facts.I can link the thread of you like.
I don't think any of the above was deserving of being called of me being called a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person.
If Callis wants to kick off again then it's only going to end one way. That's not what I want. I would prefer not to be misrepresented and lied about and it's sad to see you engaging in the same. Funny how some people remember things differently than how they actually happened so I'm glad to copy the posts to refresh your memory.
Now if you don't mind I'd rather not waste my time re running a thread from 31 May.
Without delving into the silliness of that, Nawaz is a troubling commentator.
His career is controversy and he's making money from being a fig leaf for racists. You've been spouting his opinions for years.
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Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 20:34 - Jul 8 with 495 views
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:44 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
Again, that simply isn't true.
When you returned to the board I sent you a PM that remains unopened offering to put aside any differences we had in the past. I was quite happy to offer an olive branch.
FYI. You were not goaded and you weren't abused. The only thing I regret saying to you was that you welcomed the covid death numbers with glee. That was unacceptable and something I regret saying.
It was, however, posted after I had recived a toreent of abuse in posts from you over a sustained period that Phil had to remove, where you called me a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person, told me I was not better than the racists and on at least three separate occasions that I had blood on my hands and that no amount of clapping for the NHS could wash away the blood..
All because I made the following three points
1. The killing of George Floyd was clear cut murder and all of those in valves in his killing should face the full force of the law, no matter what their skin colour.
2. The response to George Floyd’s murder from people of colour is entirely their right and nobody else is entitled to tell them what form that protest should take.
3. The majority of the violence appears (at the time of posting) to be coming from middle class white boys and that this action is going to make things a lot harder for the black community. It’s heartbreaking to see POC pleading with white boys smashing up the neighbourhood in their name.
You were finally banned for a series of abusive posts aimed at Bully. I wasn't involved in that thread. This was after a period where you aimed similar abuse at Stokie and he chose to stop conversing with you.
Once again, I am happy to respond to your posts in a respectful manner but please cut out the lies and the abuse. That isn't too much to ask.
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:52]
I think I’ll decline on opening that message still to be fair, not too interested in any olive branches.
I’m also not the one who has to write essays defending my political statements so far this year.
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 19:33 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue
This is my first comment from that thread.
"That speech from Killer smile was dignified, impassioned and heartbreaking all at the same time.
He’s right that change can only come from the ballot box or peaceful protest. Which by in large the majority of the black community are participating in.
What the black community don't need are AntiFa thugs stoking the fires and bringing even more trouble in the black community."
I'm not sure who these alt right conspiracy theorist that I linked are. I linked three videos posted on twitter showing white thugs vandalising black communities. One was from Maajid who I follow. The other two were on Maajid's timeline.
My next comment was
"It’s also only 55 years since Jim Crow and 155 years since the end of slavery.
It is going to take several more generations before so much of that recent history becomes well and truly consigned to the past".
It's completely untrue to say when several people questioned that line of accusation, I claimed that they 'didn't care about black people's businesses being burned down'
What I actually said was "Do you think that white privileged AntiFa thugs burning down black communities and black owned business, ignoring the pleas of peaceful black protesters and community leaders, is going to lead to any positive change"?
Could you link my post where I said what you claimed? If not then perhaps withdraw that one.
My next post:
"That’s exactly what Trump wants. This will sadly harden his core supporters because all they’ll see is “n*iggers” rioting and looting.
The black community are angry and quite rightly want change but they don’t want to burn their own community down to the ground. The anarchists just want anarchy, which is exactly what Trump wants and needs when he is faltering in the polls.2
and a couple more along the same line etc etc.
I was then accused by Callis as being as bad as the racists. I replied
"So agreeing with people like Killer Mike, who is urging people not to burn down their communities, and supporting the number of of POC protesters who are pleading with the white bandwagon jumpers to stop smashing up their communities and making things worse for POC, is making me as bad as the racists. You lost all Sense of reason some time ago."
Now that is an accurate representation of the facts.I can link the thread of you like.
I don't think any of the above was deserving of being called of me being called a c*nt, a piece of sh1t , a privileged turd and a vile person.
If Callis wants to kick off again then it's only going to end one way. That's not what I want. I would prefer not to be misrepresented and lied about and it's sad to see you engaging in the same. Funny how some people remember things differently than how they actually happened so I'm glad to copy the posts to refresh your memory.
Now if you don't mind I'd rather not waste my time re running a thread from 31 May.
The issue here is you evidently have no idea what Antifa is nor who were causing trouble. Police and Boogaloo boys appear to be the most likely culprits so far.
But if pushing Trump’s angle (which let’s be honest, is in full fascism territory now) is the hill you want to die on who am I to stop you?
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 20:04 - Jul 8 by LankHenners
Jack Posobiec's the alt-right man, makes sense that Nawaz would have it on his feed, and poor form for not checking the people you're linking lest you, as you did, accidentally support an alt-right viewpoint.
I misremembered the exact phrasing but your response to someone (falsely) complaining about "the many white people on here defending looting and rioting as a reasoned response", was "white privilege allows them to defend the burning of black owned businesses and black communities because it will never affect them". That is a very loaded sentence which, to any right thinking person, clearly suggests these forum members don't really care about the consequences of the rioting. I (and others) took issue with you on that at the time and you ignored it.
I never said you deserved the level of abuse you got and I don't really give a toss about your spat with callis so I won't bother addressing it, other than to reiterate that it seems unlikely that you can't see when you're (unnecessarily) poking the hornet's nest. Why the pair of you don't just stick each other on ignore is beyond me.
The glasgowblue M.O. in a nutshell.
He won't stick Callis on ignore because he believes he can goad him sufficiently before running off to Mr Ham screaming foul-play once again.
Witness his 'keep it going' goading earlier in this very thread along with the constant reminding that he has got him banned previously.
Those that can't be goaded are 'div listed' for a couple of weeks until he has to reinstate them because his carefully curated echo chamber has become impossible to control.
I'm just glad his appalling self serving agenda is gradually getting the attention it has sorely merited for some time.
Bloke's a wrong 'un.
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Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 21:01 - Jul 8 with 436 views
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 20:37 - Jul 8 by monytowbray
The issue here is you evidently have no idea what Antifa is nor who were causing trouble. Police and Boogaloo boys appear to be the most likely culprits so far.
But if pushing Trump’s angle (which let’s be honest, is in full fascism territory now) is the hill you want to die on who am I to stop you?
The Trump comparison is actually spot-on. He's not that far from howling 'fake news' at the moon.
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Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 21:25 - Jul 8 with 415 views
Apparently Hitler waned to start a world war to stop Jews in America on 18:48 - Jul 8 by SpruceMoose
Point 3 is disingenuous made up nonsense aimed solely at supporting whatever game you're trying to play. You were told that at the time but continued to lie about it.
I take exception to you lying about what's happening over here, and exploiting the heartbreak in my home to further your games. It's disgusting.
No desire to discuss it further, you've got me on ignore anyway, but I wanted other posters to be able to get the actual truth behind your comments.
[Post edited 8 Jul 2020 18:53]
This is worth a view for anyone interested
John Simpson, the BBC journalist witnessed some of the original civil rights protests in the 60’s.
He gave an interview recently, whereby he made the comment on how the protests are now different.
It is no longer just black people that are protesting. He seemed to think it was a good thing.
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