| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:18 - Aug 10 with 1260 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:09 - Aug 10 by Libero |
Honestly, I'm saying this with absolute sincerity, I cannot understand how your interpreting Stokie in this way. It makes absolutely zero sense.
It's cool that you acknowledge that for whatever reason he has gotten under your skin, I had a similar thing a few weeks ago when texters and Blubbers said something and in retrospect I completely over reacted and came across poorly as a result, just because it got under my skin.
It happens, but maybe just give yourself some space from him.
I would like to say though that there's a degree of irony that you claim that Stokie is just trying to throw everything into a personal matter, you made a completely baseless statement about me in this thread and it's not the first time you've done so, infact you do it so often that until a few weeks ago I actively tried to avoid threads you were participating in as I couldn't be arsed with being called a tory or similar to what you've done in this thread today.
Those comments certainly do not "age like a fine wine"
I know you hold resentment towards me, but I believe that you're a good man at heart and watching you play out in threads like this time and time again concerns me.
I'm sure you've plenty of family and friends who you can talk to, but if you ever want to chat with someone who has experienced similar, you can message me.
Peace. x |
He's a repeat offender though. Every time he engages with me, it goes this way and he piles in to say me defending my opinion or disagreeing with him is ignorance, whilst ironically claiming I'm the ignorant one.
Any opinion I have is up for debate, I feel I do enough to reply with evidence and thought out opinion. Like I have in the past when I justified my diet choices or the failings of the current shower governing us in relation to COVID. I think I turned out to be fairly on the ball with both in hindsight and took no end of cr*p from Stokie that followed the exact same pattern.
As for my opinion of you, lying to claim a group of people requested I was kicked out of 5-a-side for political opinions whilst allowing an actual racist who holds extremely troublesome right wing views to continue to play was a fairly big downer in my opinion of you. Perhaps I should let it go but I've had enough of forgiving people really. |  |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:20 - Aug 10 with 1249 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:15 - Aug 10 by StokieBlue |
I don't believe any of that is true and you are right, the start of the thread is there for anyone to go read and form their own opinions.
Go read the posts I made without your anti-Stokie glasses. They are totally fair and civil. Your post didn't address any points I made, it was a glib response citing a few examples which I had said do exist in my previous post.
You've missed the entire point. The difference isn't how I discuss things, the difference is how you discuss things with me. The same points made by Herbie get a reasonable response without abuse, when made by me you immediately become aggressive and abusive.
I had stopped engaging with you in this thread until you specifically mentioned me again. I've asked you to stop, if you stop then there will be no issues.
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"It was a glib response citing a few examples which I had said do exist in my previous post."
So why the f*ck argue with me if you agree they exist? What was your point in disagreeing or calling me out as "wrong"? What in this thread have I said that is wrong? What part of the case I've made is dismissible in your view?
Same sh1t, different thread. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:25]
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:26 - Aug 10 with 1226 views | Libero |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:18 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
He's a repeat offender though. Every time he engages with me, it goes this way and he piles in to say me defending my opinion or disagreeing with him is ignorance, whilst ironically claiming I'm the ignorant one.
Any opinion I have is up for debate, I feel I do enough to reply with evidence and thought out opinion. Like I have in the past when I justified my diet choices or the failings of the current shower governing us in relation to COVID. I think I turned out to be fairly on the ball with both in hindsight and took no end of cr*p from Stokie that followed the exact same pattern.
As for my opinion of you, lying to claim a group of people requested I was kicked out of 5-a-side for political opinions whilst allowing an actual racist who holds extremely troublesome right wing views to continue to play was a fairly big downer in my opinion of you. Perhaps I should let it go but I've had enough of forgiving people really. |
Yeah, we're going to have to agree to differ on that as honestly I cannot understand how on earth you are perceiving it that way.
Ah man, I'm not really up for digging up the past and re-opening old wounds with you, but that 100% isn't what happened. You were just p*ssing people off, it had very little to do with politics. I'd had more than one person ask me to drop you after you started getting a bit flakely, it was a difficult situation and I've apologised for any upset it's caused you since. If it's any consolation I have since had to do it to another person, although in the eleven-a-side team, for very similar reasons.
I don't disagree with you though, RS is a massive racist and say's some plainly idiot things, he hates immigrants yet moved half way across the world, he he follows the likes of Alex Jones and David Icke and thinks the world is flat FFS, but that's irrelevant, football is football and I've been playing with a lot of those blokes since I was a kid.
I'm not looking for "forgiveness" - let's not forget you have been a bit of a berk yourself.
I was simply reaching out because the you that I used to know is not the person that comes across in these posts and it wouldn't sit well with me to not at least let you know that if you wanted to talk it's always on the table.
All the best. x [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:29]
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:31 - Aug 10 with 1221 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:26 - Aug 10 by Libero |
Yeah, we're going to have to agree to differ on that as honestly I cannot understand how on earth you are perceiving it that way.
Ah man, I'm not really up for digging up the past and re-opening old wounds with you, but that 100% isn't what happened. You were just p*ssing people off, it had very little to do with politics. I'd had more than one person ask me to drop you after you started getting a bit flakely, it was a difficult situation and I've apologised for any upset it's caused you since. If it's any consolation I have since had to do it to another person, although in the eleven-a-side team, for very similar reasons.
I don't disagree with you though, RS is a massive racist and say's some plainly idiot things, he hates immigrants yet moved half way across the world, he he follows the likes of Alex Jones and David Icke and thinks the world is flat FFS, but that's irrelevant, football is football and I've been playing with a lot of those blokes since I was a kid.
I'm not looking for "forgiveness" - let's not forget you have been a bit of a berk yourself.
I was simply reaching out because the you that I used to know is not the person that comes across in these posts and it wouldn't sit well with me to not at least let you know that if you wanted to talk it's always on the table.
All the best. x [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:29]
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I’ll DM you after werk. | |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:32 - Aug 10 with 1215 views | StokieBlue |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:20 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
"It was a glib response citing a few examples which I had said do exist in my previous post."
So why the f*ck argue with me if you agree they exist? What was your point in disagreeing or calling me out as "wrong"? What in this thread have I said that is wrong? What part of the case I've made is dismissible in your view?
Same sh1t, different thread. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:25]
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Eh?
Please go back and read what I wrote:
Really not sure about that.
Many laws have been constant throughout time and across borders, murder for instance is clearly a judgement on what is right or wrong and not a man-made political judgement. You could cite the same for most the foundational crimes.
That doesn't mean that politically based laws don't exist, they clearly do (see HK latest laws) but I don't believe the majority of the base is politically motivated.
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Your response to that was a list of a few politically motivated laws as an attempt to justify your original statement of "Law in general" being politically motivated and not being about right or wrong. My post showed how the fundamentals of law were specifically based on right or wrong and that political laws could exist but it wasn't the basis of law in general. You ignored the entire context, posted your glibs response and said "Is that enough?" as if it proves that "law in general" is politically motivated when it proves no such thing.
Your position in this thread was that laws in general are politically motivated. That is what I and others have disagreed with.
SB [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:38]
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:32 - Aug 10 with 1205 views | Libero |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:31 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
I’ll DM you after werk. |
Alright mate, if you change your mind I won't hold you to it, just know the offer's there if it's needed. | | | |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:44 - Aug 10 with 1173 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:32 - Aug 10 by StokieBlue |
Eh?
Please go back and read what I wrote:
Really not sure about that.
Many laws have been constant throughout time and across borders, murder for instance is clearly a judgement on what is right or wrong and not a man-made political judgement. You could cite the same for most the foundational crimes.
That doesn't mean that politically based laws don't exist, they clearly do (see HK latest laws) but I don't believe the majority of the base is politically motivated.
SB
Your response to that was a list of a few politically motivated laws as an attempt to justify your original statement of "Law in general" being politically motivated and not being about right or wrong. My post showed how the fundamentals of law were specifically based on right or wrong and that political laws could exist but it wasn't the basis of law in general. You ignored the entire context, posted your glibs response and said "Is that enough?" as if it proves that "law in general" is politically motivated when it proves no such thing.
Your position in this thread was that laws in general are politically motivated. That is what I and others have disagreed with.
SB [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 16:38]
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I’ve listed more and made my point fairly clear. I’m amazed you’re the only one still doubling down when most have engaged civilly and acknowledged my points as valid.
But whatever helps your ego sleep at night. | |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:53 - Aug 10 with 1158 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 14:54 - Aug 10 by Ewan_Oozami |
Well, that's mega-Partridge respect there Zombers - I thought I was the only person in the world (outside XTC super fans) who knew about that album!! |
Oh bollox, yesterday Bankster outed me as a seventeen year old Hawkwind super fan, and now today you do the same for my twenty seven year old self and XTC. |  |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:56 - Aug 10 with 1154 views | StokieBlue |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:44 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
I’ve listed more and made my point fairly clear. I’m amazed you’re the only one still doubling down when most have engaged civilly and acknowledged my points as valid.
But whatever helps your ego sleep at night. |
What? That has nothing to do with what I posted which was about a specific point in the thread which you have previously cited :(.
I was pointing out that at the point in the discussion we were talking about you are wrong in your version of what happened and casting me in a light which isn't acceptable.
You've entirely ignored it and posted a tangential point about the rest of the discussion which I don't believe is correct either - people have acknowledged (including myself) that some laws are politically motivated. I don't think anybody has acknowledge your stance that the majority of laws are politically motivated or not about right and wrong.
I am going to leave it there as you are unwilling to respond to what I actually write.
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:59 - Aug 10 with 1151 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:56 - Aug 10 by StokieBlue |
What? That has nothing to do with what I posted which was about a specific point in the thread which you have previously cited :(.
I was pointing out that at the point in the discussion we were talking about you are wrong in your version of what happened and casting me in a light which isn't acceptable.
You've entirely ignored it and posted a tangential point about the rest of the discussion which I don't believe is correct either - people have acknowledged (including myself) that some laws are politically motivated. I don't think anybody has acknowledge your stance that the majority of laws are politically motivated or not about right and wrong.
I am going to leave it there as you are unwilling to respond to what I actually write.
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"People have acknowledged (including myself) that some laws are politically motivated."
Second time, in cap locks to help make it clearer.
THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL ARGUING WITH ME? WHY DID YOU START ARGUING IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 17:12 - Aug 10 with 1135 views | StokieBlue |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 16:59 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
"People have acknowledged (including myself) that some laws are politically motivated."
Second time, in cap locks to help make it clearer.
THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL ARGUING WITH ME? WHY DID YOU START ARGUING IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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Any chance you could at least once address what I write in it's entirety?
Firstly, it wasn't an argument. My posts were civil and you've now shifted the goal posts, you've gone from saying law wasn't about right or wrong and was a politically made construct to saying some laws are political. You've changed your position considerably since your first post and this statement:
"people wake up to the fact law is a man made political stance and not a judgement on right vs wrong."
My posts were challenging your initial assertion (as were Herbs) but you've ignored that aspect and changed the focus. You also didn't explode at him like you did at me.
I am just trying to show that your representation of my posts at the start of this debate is incorrect, the abuse was unjustified and in my opinion you were playing the man not the ball.
I don't think you are going to acknowledge that though. It's the end of the day and it's nice outside.
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 17:23 - Aug 10 with 1122 views | monytowbray |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 17:12 - Aug 10 by StokieBlue |
Any chance you could at least once address what I write in it's entirety?
Firstly, it wasn't an argument. My posts were civil and you've now shifted the goal posts, you've gone from saying law wasn't about right or wrong and was a politically made construct to saying some laws are political. You've changed your position considerably since your first post and this statement:
"people wake up to the fact law is a man made political stance and not a judgement on right vs wrong."
My posts were challenging your initial assertion (as were Herbs) but you've ignored that aspect and changed the focus. You also didn't explode at him like you did at me.
I am just trying to show that your representation of my posts at the start of this debate is incorrect, the abuse was unjustified and in my opinion you were playing the man not the ball.
I don't think you are going to acknowledge that though. It's the end of the day and it's nice outside.
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Law isn't about right or wrong, that's why laws evolve and change. That's why you can buy your way out of the legal system and justice.
To simply take a statement at face value and remove the wider context, which has been made clear from the start with my examples and ongoing discussion, completely evades a point you've said you agree with.
I think I've made enough points on why law in general (as you requested) is largely political. There is no goal post moving, I just don't have the time to write an essay. It's a football forum ffs. | |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 10:10 - Aug 11 with 1022 views | Sharkey |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 11:39 - Aug 10 by monytowbray |
Reports outside Minsk suggest a lot of cops are standing down which is good, the system falls apart when people wake up to the fact law is a man made political stance and not a judgement on right vs wrong.
Your last sentence - a large chunk of MSM are either too afraid to challenge their own powers that be or actively get hard at the idea of the UK having a more authoritarian government so I can’t see it. Only have to look at this week’s Photoshop image and headline about Johnson’s camping trip in The S*n to see that. [Post edited 10 Aug 2020 11:41]
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"Your last sentence - a large chunk of MSM are either too afraid to challenge their own powers that be or actively get hard at the idea of the UK having a more authoritarian government so I can’t see it."
I'm really shocked that the BBC's coverage is so pathetic. And I've even seen western reports that don't put Lubachenko's "landslide victory" in inverted commas. I know for Belarusians in exile this western indifference to the fate of their country is devastating. |  | | |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 10:33 - Aug 11 with 1003 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 10:10 - Aug 11 by Sharkey |
"Your last sentence - a large chunk of MSM are either too afraid to challenge their own powers that be or actively get hard at the idea of the UK having a more authoritarian government so I can’t see it."
I'm really shocked that the BBC's coverage is so pathetic. And I've even seen western reports that don't put Lubachenko's "landslide victory" in inverted commas. I know for Belarusians in exile this western indifference to the fate of their country is devastating. |
To be fair, it is also not the first item on the agenda for Al-Jazeera (although there may be issues of not upsetting pro-Russian allies of Qatar there) or Welt (and Belarus is only a couple of borders away from Germany):
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article213274244/Belarus-Blendgranaten-Gummi | |
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| Kicking off in Belarus on 10:44 - Aug 11 with 989 views | Sharkey |
I'm not just getting at BBC, -it's not big on Swedish state tv either, for example. But this is a people in a European country fighting for its freedom. A lot of people we know, I'm sure, have been on a cheeky little weekend away to neighbouring Vilnius or Warsaw . I look at the scenes from Brest and the fear and courage of the people and then I hear the Radio 3 news and it scarcely gets a mention. I have people close to me worrying about their A-level results so I don't dismiss the problem, but ffs BBC, this is a whole different level of historical importance. | | | |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 18:07 - Aug 14 with 903 views | Sharkey |
Really brutal pictures coming out of Belarus now, though the BBC are still showing little interest.
Somewhat bizarrely, yesterday Colchester United unveiled a Belarusian shirt sponsor for the away kit. | | | |
| Kicking off in Belarus on 12:44 - Aug 20 with 756 views | Sharkey |
Lithuania is going to open its border , despite the virus . Czech Republic is sending a plane to take some of the most injured and treat them (for free) in Czech hospitals. | | | |
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