| Beautiful from AJ 23:42 - Dec 12 with 6574 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Dominated the fight.. Great shots... Great Knockout |  |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:07 - Dec 13 with 858 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:01 - Dec 13 by townblue |
You were saying AJ fought the bigger fighters. Fury beat wlad and wilder at their primes. What has AJ done better than that? |
I said Fury has only fought two good fighters. AJ has consistently fought good fighters. Wlad is the best fighter both of them have faced and Wlad fought them in consecutive fights. Wilder is toss, but was a belt holder with a padded record and a big right hand so Fury gets credit for beating him.
But outside Wlad and Wilder, Fury's opponents have been pretty carefully picked. Lots of no marks in there in between the big fights. AJ has consistently fought ranked opponents. Any one of Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte or Parker would be the third best win on Fury's record. |  |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:09 - Dec 13 with 855 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:06 - Dec 13 by townblue |
Maybe, but fury has beaten the two best heavyweights in recent memory in their prime. Not sure AJ has done the same. |
Wlad wasn't in his prime, and if he was then he was likewise in his prime when he fought AJ in his very next fight. Wilder is not very good, I would not describe him as one of the two best heavyweights in recent memory by any stretch. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:09 - Dec 13 with 855 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:07 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
I said Fury has only fought two good fighters. AJ has consistently fought good fighters. Wlad is the best fighter both of them have faced and Wlad fought them in consecutive fights. Wilder is toss, but was a belt holder with a padded record and a big right hand so Fury gets credit for beating him.
But outside Wlad and Wilder, Fury's opponents have been pretty carefully picked. Lots of no marks in there in between the big fights. AJ has consistently fought ranked opponents. Any one of Pulev, Povetkin, Whyte or Parker would be the third best win on Fury's record. |
If you ignore the two world champions fury beat AJ is better. Ok, got me there.
If you ignore ipswichs losses we'd be top of the league |  | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:09 - Dec 13 with 853 views | MrTown |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:03 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
You think AJ ducked Wilder? Even Wilder admits he turned down a career high pay day to fight AJ.
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AJ certainly didn’t duck Wilder. AJ wouldn’t duck anybody I don’t believe. Wilder luckiest man in boxing that he bangs so hard, because if he had ‘standard’ heavyweight power, he wouldn’t get past domestic level.
I have to say, I’m not convinced Joshua’s CV is fantastic either, a couple of good fights on there, Wlad and Povetkin, but even them ageing at that point. |  |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:10 - Dec 13 with 842 views | VeronaBlue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 00:27 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Wilder isn't bigger than AJ and Wilder literally can't box. All he has is a big right hand. And he almost knocked Fury out in their first fight.
Fury could outbox AJ but people forget that Fury has been hurt and dropped a number of times in his career and AJ hits hard and can box as well. AJ has consistent fought better opposition and yet every fight gets dissected. He just beat Pulev more easily than Fury won his second to last fight, which was against a total no mark. If Fury had just stopped Pulev in 9 rounds whilst barely losing a round I doubt he'd be getting the level of critique that AJ gets.
For me AJ v Fury is a 50/50 fight. |
You have to be reasonable here. Wilder might just be a ‘right hand’ but Fury still beat him when others didn’t. That wild right hand could have finished Joshua if they fought regardless of his poor boxing IQ. |  | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:11 - Dec 13 with 838 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:09 - Dec 13 by townblue |
If you ignore the two world champions fury beat AJ is better. Ok, got me there.
If you ignore ipswichs losses we'd be top of the league |
Jesus wept. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:12 - Dec 13 with 828 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:11 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Jesus wept. |
It's ok admit you were wrong. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:14 - Dec 13 with 815 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:09 - Dec 13 by MrTown |
AJ certainly didn’t duck Wilder. AJ wouldn’t duck anybody I don’t believe. Wilder luckiest man in boxing that he bangs so hard, because if he had ‘standard’ heavyweight power, he wouldn’t get past domestic level.
I have to say, I’m not convinced Joshua’s CV is fantastic either, a couple of good fights on there, Wlad and Povetkin, but even them ageing at that point. |
Wlad was also ageing when he fought Fury. Fury's record has no depth. Maybe he is amazing, but he's looked very vulnerable at times against second rate opponents. Yes he also has two very good wins. It's a shame he's not consistently tested himself and has been happy to have numerous keep busy fights against C level fighters. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:14 - Dec 13 with 814 views | Blue12345 |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:06 - Dec 13 by townblue |
Maybe, but fury has beaten the two best heavyweights in recent memory in their prime. Not sure AJ has done the same. |
This was meant for Herbivore but I’ve accidentally replied to the wrong person....
Joshua came straight out of the Olympics and straight away signed to match room.
behind him.
His first pro fight was a headline fight at the 02. Money talks. He then subsequently got his IBF title
shot against Charles Martin once again because money talks.
Fury has rose through the ranks in a more traditional way than Joshua and it shows in his skill set. [Post edited 13 Dec 2020 1:20]
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:19 - Dec 13 with 792 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:10 - Dec 13 by VeronaBlue |
You have to be reasonable here. Wilder might just be a ‘right hand’ but Fury still beat him when others didn’t. That wild right hand could have finished Joshua if they fought regardless of his poor boxing IQ. |
I wonder why Wilder opted to fight Fury for significantly less money than he was offered to fight AJ. If only we could explain that decision from a fighter who has a history of cherry picking opponents...... | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:22 - Dec 13 with 783 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:19 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
I wonder why Wilder opted to fight Fury for significantly less money than he was offered to fight AJ. If only we could explain that decision from a fighter who has a history of cherry picking opponents...... |
Maybe Andy Ruiz was busy | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:22 - Dec 13 with 781 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:14 - Dec 13 by Blue12345 |
This was meant for Herbivore but I’ve accidentally replied to the wrong person....
Joshua came straight out of the Olympics and straight away signed to match room.
behind him.
His first pro fight was a headline fight at the 02. Money talks. He then subsequently got his IBF title
shot against Charles Martin once again because money talks.
Fury has rose through the ranks in a more traditional way than Joshua and it shows in his skill set. [Post edited 13 Dec 2020 1:20]
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Fury was pretty well promoted when he was coming through as well you know, Mick Hennessy threw serious money at him. Fury has carefully padded out his record, he has ducked a number of potentially tricky fights at different stages of his career. This thread is reminding me why I don't usually discuss boxing with casuals. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:26 - Dec 13 with 769 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:22 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Fury was pretty well promoted when he was coming through as well you know, Mick Hennessy threw serious money at him. Fury has carefully padded out his record, he has ducked a number of potentially tricky fights at different stages of his career. This thread is reminding me why I don't usually discuss boxing with casuals. |
Do you seriously think only a 'casual' would rate fury over Joshua? | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:26 - Dec 13 with 768 views | Blue12345 |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:22 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Fury was pretty well promoted when he was coming through as well you know, Mick Hennessy threw serious money at him. Fury has carefully padded out his record, he has ducked a number of potentially tricky fights at different stages of his career. This thread is reminding me why I don't usually discuss boxing with casuals. |
It’s a good debate! But on that note we will leave it there until Fury wilder get it on. Hopefully
It will happen this year. And hopefully it’s in the UK ! I will be extremely disappointed if it isn’t. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:27 - Dec 13 with 755 views | VeronaBlue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:19 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
I wonder why Wilder opted to fight Fury for significantly less money than he was offered to fight AJ. If only we could explain that decision from a fighter who has a history of cherry picking opponents...... |
Not sure what that’s got to do with what I’m saying. The bloke gets in the ring to knock people out and that’s what he did. Can’t write him off because all he is is a right hand to suit your argument, when knocking people out is the aim of the game.
Fighting fury would generate less money wouldn’t it? But fighting Joshua and not getting what you think you should is a different story isn’t it? I’m not getting into the who’s ducked who argument because I think it’s boring, no one knows the answers really do they? | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:29 - Dec 13 with 750 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:26 - Dec 13 by Blue12345 |
It’s a good debate! But on that note we will leave it there until Fury wilder get it on. Hopefully
It will happen this year. And hopefully it’s in the UK ! I will be extremely disappointed if it isn’t. |
Agreed, it's been fun. Boxing is one of those where it can literally come down to a few seconds. I remember telling my friend how Whyte was going to school povetkin until one uppercut. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:31 - Dec 13 with 741 views | MrTown |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:14 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Wlad was also ageing when he fought Fury. Fury's record has no depth. Maybe he is amazing, but he's looked very vulnerable at times against second rate opponents. Yes he also has two very good wins. It's a shame he's not consistently tested himself and has been happy to have numerous keep busy fights against C level fighters. |
I think second rate opponents is a little harsh, especially leading up to his 2015 showdown with Wlad. Chisora twice, Cunningham and Johnston were all very good opponents at that point in there careers, which obviously led to him getting the world title shot, he certainly wasn’t gifted it, and he grabbed it with both hands with a masterclass.
Unfortunately external things outside the ring led to his demise and since his return, exc. Wilder I agree he has fought C class opponents, but wouldn’t expect much else after such a lengthy lay off.
Like I say, I’m not massively convinced AJ’s opponents have been top class, other than Povetkin and Wlad who were ageing. AJ has shown his vulnerabilities as well, after been knocked down 5 times by Ruiz.
Had to be the next fight, will certainly leave no room for anymore discussion between us! Whoever wins is the best heavyweight on the planet. Will be the biggest boxing event in my lifetime! | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:31 - Dec 13 with 741 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:26 - Dec 13 by townblue |
Do you seriously think only a 'casual' would rate fury over Joshua? |
No, that's not what I said. In fact if you read my posts I've said I think it's quite possible that Fury could outbox AJ. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:34 - Dec 13 with 730 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:27 - Dec 13 by VeronaBlue |
Not sure what that’s got to do with what I’m saying. The bloke gets in the ring to knock people out and that’s what he did. Can’t write him off because all he is is a right hand to suit your argument, when knocking people out is the aim of the game.
Fighting fury would generate less money wouldn’t it? But fighting Joshua and not getting what you think you should is a different story isn’t it? I’m not getting into the who’s ducked who argument because I think it’s boring, no one knows the answers really do they? |
The info is in the public domain and its pretty clear that Wilder ducked the fight. It doesn't take much speculation. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:37 - Dec 13 with 723 views | townblue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:31 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
No, that's not what I said. In fact if you read my posts I've said I think it's quite possible that Fury could outbox AJ. |
Agreed then. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:39 - Dec 13 with 723 views | VeronaBlue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:34 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
The info is in the public domain and its pretty clear that Wilder ducked the fight. It doesn't take much speculation. |
Looks like you cherry pick what you reply to like some of these fighters doesn’t it?
Getting side tracked from what I originally said and you’ve gone right off tangent. Just respect the game for what it is, different styles different fighters. Wilder was still a world champion which should be respected and could likely do damage to most in the top 10, regardless of how he does it.
For the most part can’t disagree with the rest of what you said. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:41 - Dec 13 with 717 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:31 - Dec 13 by MrTown |
I think second rate opponents is a little harsh, especially leading up to his 2015 showdown with Wlad. Chisora twice, Cunningham and Johnston were all very good opponents at that point in there careers, which obviously led to him getting the world title shot, he certainly wasn’t gifted it, and he grabbed it with both hands with a masterclass.
Unfortunately external things outside the ring led to his demise and since his return, exc. Wilder I agree he has fought C class opponents, but wouldn’t expect much else after such a lengthy lay off.
Like I say, I’m not massively convinced AJ’s opponents have been top class, other than Povetkin and Wlad who were ageing. AJ has shown his vulnerabilities as well, after been knocked down 5 times by Ruiz.
Had to be the next fight, will certainly leave no room for anymore discussion between us! Whoever wins is the best heavyweight on the planet. Will be the biggest boxing event in my lifetime! |
Chisora has never been more than a Euro level fighter. Cunnignham did nothing at heavyweight and was coming off three losses in his last four fights. Johnson is a gatekeeper and nothing more. I'm not sure Fury has fought a top 10 fighter aside from Wilder and Wlad, which is pretty poor when he's had circa 30 fights.
AJ's record had way less padding and the likes of Parker, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, and Pulev were or are top 10 rated fighters. As of course was Wlad, and even Martin and Brezeale were at the time he fought them, but I've excluded them because they're really not very good.
Look, Fury has two excellent standout wins on his record but in terms of overall depth AJ has consistently fought better opponents. That's not even a debate. | |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 01:42 - Dec 13 with 715 views | VeronaBlue |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:34 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
The info is in the public domain and its pretty clear that Wilder ducked the fight. It doesn't take much speculation. |
You’ll have to show me that, not seen it definitively proven. Not saying he did, not saying he didn’t either. I just tend to say away from who’s ducking who when there’s too many belts/councils in play making things harder. | | | |
| Beautiful from AJ on 09:16 - Dec 13 with 620 views | Guthrum |
| Beautiful from AJ on 00:01 - Dec 13 by townblue |
Yep, Fury would walk all over him imo. |
Because of arcane and convoluted rules on who they must face for each belt, the fact that they only fight about once a year at the top level and the way the two of them seem to shout a lot but run away from each other, we may never definitively find out. |  |
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| Beautiful from AJ on 09:24 - Dec 13 with 613 views | Herbivore |
| Beautiful from AJ on 01:42 - Dec 13 by VeronaBlue |
You’ll have to show me that, not seen it definitively proven. Not saying he did, not saying he didn’t either. I just tend to say away from who’s ducking who when there’s too many belts/councils in play making things harder. |
Wilder was sent a contract, sat on it for 2 weeks, and only signed it after the deadline had passed for the fight to be made by the WBA, which meant AJ then had to take a mandatory defence instead. Wilder's team failed to turn up for face to face negotiations with Hearn and Wilder has admitted turning down by far a career high pay day to make the fight. Look at Wilder's padded record, whilst AJ was out unifying the belts as quickly as possible he sat on his WBC belt fighting largely mediocre opposition for 5 years. Wilder made a lot of noise about wanting to fight AJ on twitter, but the actions of him and his team show they were never serious about making the fight. They saw a returning Fury as a much lower risk fight that could still generate a decent enough pay day. | |
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