| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid 18:11 - Apr 4 with 2885 views | wkj |
The movement behind it, is not.
Though the impression you give with 'Kill The Bill' can mean something VERY different from one person to the next.
https://news.sky.com/story/police-and-demonstrators-clash-at-kill-the-bill-prote
The longer these protests go the way they are, the more the protesters are going to make the Parliamentary Bill seem justified.
It is so sad a very important and valid grounds for protest going terribly wrong, in no small part due to the language being used. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 18:12]
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:36 - Apr 4 with 1219 views | wkj |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:24 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
The answer to protests is always listening.
Shame our government seems more interested in fanning the flames. |
Our government are like a bunch of kids with a Substitute teacher. Boris never is, or was PM material. Theresa May was. As a result, the lunatics now run the asylum and many Conservative voters do not see how their core values are also being eroded by this, not just the people that vote the other way.
May is no saint, but her Brexit plan was much more healthy than Johnson's and her domestic policies weren't all entirely awful. The government did at least feel a bit more transparent. Boris gets in - calls Corbyn a Chicken, trivialises the death of Jo Cox in the name of "Brexit" and has put the NIPA under extreme strain.
All because of slogans.
How does this relate to your point? Because we're fighting fire with fire - extreme words and catchy slogans, there is no dialogue for conversation now - and the 21st century tribalism has made it so politicians can curry favour with catchy slogans.
The very word Brexit is the best example. Brexit is a "fun word" that means whatever we think it means. People started to not even care about what Brexit meant, other than which side of the football match they were on and what team they supported - Leave of Remain.
We need to use real language and ask real questions, and listen to the answers objectively so we can stand a chance of taking the right actions. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 20:39]
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:37 - Apr 4 with 1222 views | itfcjoe |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:27 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
What part of DTP doesn’t make sense though? And what would you suggest in place?
It does exactly what it says on the tin. |
Because it doesn't in any way get the message across that it is about redeploying resources as opposed to simply cutting them and seemingly cutting the size of the state. |  |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:45 - Apr 4 with 1187 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:21 - Apr 4 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Messenger newspaper group, miners' strike, Wapping, CND, anti-fascist, anti rave legislation.,, student grants....so total waste of time basically! [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 20:26]
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Poll Tax, and it wasn't a waste of time basically |  | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:50 - Apr 4 with 1173 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:22 - Apr 4 by wkj |
In fairness, a few of us on here are members of Trade Unions and Political Parties (I am SNP).
I am left leaning for matters of civil liberty, I am right leaning in my economic opinions. However, on here I am labelled a Lefty, to the point I have made a joke out of it.
Discussion is important, such as this thread. Not only am I making my case and point, I am also hear to listen to others as well. Meanwhile, I have also sent Dr Dan Poulter a fair few letters in the last year, to the point I was offered a meeting (if not for Covid and being a little mentally off par with leaving my village)
The conversations must never stop, regardless of platform - the moment the conversations stop - there is little chance we will ever beat the poison of tribalism, and we will continue to have far left/right leaders to vote on. |
I apologise if I gave the impression that no one on here does anything positive; it matters not what we believe in, but doing something positive about our beliefs at least gets us of our backsides and trying to change society.
It is those that day after day after day, continually drag others down with their rhetoric while doing nowt about it that are the frustration. | | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:01 - Apr 4 with 1160 views | jeera |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:50 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I apologise if I gave the impression that no one on here does anything positive; it matters not what we believe in, but doing something positive about our beliefs at least gets us of our backsides and trying to change society.
It is those that day after day after day, continually drag others down with their rhetoric while doing nowt about it that are the frustration. |
There's a number of forum users who are involved/have been involved in all sorts.
You are fairly new to this platform so it's a bit off to be making assumptions like that.
Why not wait until leaping to conclusions about people you've never met?
In fact, if you'd followed the place at all over the years you'd know its users have been anything but inactive.
The amount of charity work and sponsorship that has gone to the right places is something to be very proud of for a start. The support given by TWTD users for others outside of this site last year alone was quite something.
There couldn't be a more inaccurate guess than to suggest people on here just tap at their keyboards doing nothing. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 21:11]
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:10 - Apr 4 with 1155 views | monytowbray |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:01 - Apr 4 by jeera |
There's a number of forum users who are involved/have been involved in all sorts.
You are fairly new to this platform so it's a bit off to be making assumptions like that.
Why not wait until leaping to conclusions about people you've never met?
In fact, if you'd followed the place at all over the years you'd know its users have been anything but inactive.
The amount of charity work and sponsorship that has gone to the right places is something to be very proud of for a start. The support given by TWTD users for others outside of this site last year alone was quite something.
There couldn't be a more inaccurate guess than to suggest people on here just tap at their keyboards doing nothing. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 21:11]
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See he skimmed over the post where he was asked for evidence and suggested alternatives too.
Why bother with such posters? |  |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:15 - Apr 4 with 1149 views | jeera |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:15 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
That is suggesting that the public apart from a few of you guys are stupid enough to belief this so called 'friendly media'.
It is as I said earlier an opportunity for folk to join these demonstrations and let authority know your feelings. Just ranting and being keyboard warriors achieves nothing. The media are right at the moment in that there are more at these demos hell bent on causing trouble then there are genuine opponents to the bill. Join the genuine ones and swell there numbers to show real frustration at this bill.
In 1990 I joined my one and only demo, because I was angry; we achieved our objective.
I get very concerned at those on here with strong opinions ( I do not agree with many of them) but actually that is all they do - air their opinions.
Demonstrate, join a political party, a trade union, become a volunteer, but do something and stop relying on others to change the world for you.
Oh dear I have gone on a bit; well at least it is off my chest.... |
No, I've read this and you are bang out of order and have literally made this up based on nothing.
You are so out of your depth here even I can't be bothered to try and help you out.
"but actually that is all they do - air their opinions." No they don't.
"Oh dear I have gone on a bit". Yes, you have. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 21:17]
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:21 - Apr 4 with 1139 views | BlueBadger |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:27 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
What part of DTP doesn’t make sense though? And what would you suggest in place?
It does exactly what it says on the tin. |
'Be better bobbies'?
I mean, let's face it, as I said below, the Tories have been defunding the police for the past decade. It hasn't cleaned them up any. |  |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:22 - Apr 4 with 1137 views | jeera |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:10 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
See he skimmed over the post where he was asked for evidence and suggested alternatives too.
Why bother with such posters? |
Because I try to see the best in everyone until convinced otherwise.
I initially thought this poster to be a troll but then changed my mind.
Seeing his ill-informed posts on this thread I have reformed my thinking.
He's a fecking disgrace. The amount of work and effort that people have put in over the years just for some knob to pipe up with this sh1t. Lying ****.
Troll written all over it. | |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:07 - Apr 4 with 1114 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 21:15 - Apr 4 by jeera |
No, I've read this and you are bang out of order and have literally made this up based on nothing.
You are so out of your depth here even I can't be bothered to try and help you out.
"but actually that is all they do - air their opinions." No they don't.
"Oh dear I have gone on a bit". Yes, you have. [Post edited 4 Apr 2021 21:17]
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It is almost implying that unless you have been on the forum since God was a boy that hey you are not welcome, and how dare you suggest something that we old timers disagree with.
I will not and never have doubted the intelligence, diligence, and generosity of folk on this site. I was directly answering and sticking to the thread that was suggesting that the protest is being overtaken by its original desire to stop this bill. I was suggesting that it needs more folk to get of their backsides and do something.
You are not the only one who regularly suggests that us mere mortals are out of our depth. I apologise for not being on site for several hours every day - I have a life to lead which includes trying to make the world a better place (my success rate is not that high!) | | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:09 - Apr 4 with 1114 views | BlueBadger |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:32 - Apr 4 by Blueschev |
Are you referring to the poll tax demonstrations? If so they were far more violent than anything we have seen recently.
I’m not saying that most people are thick, most people just wish to get on with their lives and rely on the media to inform them of what is happening in the world. It’s my opinion that they are being grossly misinformed by a media dominated by those who are far too close to the levers of power, which is very unhealthy for a democratic society. I’m confused as to why holding this opinion makes me a keyboard worrier? |
Evidence suggests that 52% of the British electorate is thick... | |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:30 - Apr 4 with 1096 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:09 - Apr 4 by BlueBadger |
Evidence suggests that 52% of the British electorate is thick... |
Repeated stories often represent highly significant memories. The person may repeat themselves because they want to communicate and cannot find anything else to say. The person might have become 'stuck' on a particular word, phrase or action. The person might be bored and under-occupied. | | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:33 - Apr 4 with 1095 views | monytowbray |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:30 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Repeated stories often represent highly significant memories. The person may repeat themselves because they want to communicate and cannot find anything else to say. The person might have become 'stuck' on a particular word, phrase or action. The person might be bored and under-occupied. |
Still waiting on evidence these protests are mostly just troublemakers and your suggested Police accountability/reform groups and/or Protest Bill actions that you do support.
Third time asking... | |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:44 - Apr 4 with 1085 views | BlueBadger |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:30 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Repeated stories often represent highly significant memories. The person may repeat themselves because they want to communicate and cannot find anything else to say. The person might have become 'stuck' on a particular word, phrase or action. The person might be bored and under-occupied. |
This is the most elaborate 'yes but Labour' I've ever seen. | |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:47 - Apr 4 with 1082 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:33 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
Still waiting on evidence these protests are mostly just troublemakers and your suggested Police accountability/reform groups and/or Protest Bill actions that you do support.
Third time asking... |
The arrogance of the man - I did not say mostly that is your word and I have not a clue what you are asking in your second request.
Oh and you can ask away a fourth, fifth or even sixth time, but unlike several on here I do not cower to the verbal bully.
Strangely enough regarding this bill we are on the same side - I will not though be so biased as to let it blinker my judgement. | | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:52 - Apr 4 with 1075 views | MattinLondon |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 20:18 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
It is an utter f**ker as you do always encounter protesters who don’t think about their actions representing the wider aims.
Then again a few weeks ago I shared links to police corruption and people got uppity with all sorts of assumed or made up narratives/intent.
Since updated that thread twice and our resident BUT THE GOOD COPS lot haven’t said much on the brutality displayed.
Much of it I think comes from the comfortable assumption justice always prevails and those with nothing to hide or those who don’t actively commit crimes won’t get wrapped up in such things. Which if history has shown us anything ain’t the case.
On a related note, I was floored by a copper waiting to get into the station when we played Scum a few years back because it kicked off 10 feet away to my right.
They are by and large, particularly in big groups, utter pr1cks. |
Don’t think you’ll get much protest on an Ipswich site that Norwich fans tend to be pricks especially in large groups. |  | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 23:09 - Apr 4 with 1050 views | monytowbray |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 22:47 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
The arrogance of the man - I did not say mostly that is your word and I have not a clue what you are asking in your second request.
Oh and you can ask away a fourth, fifth or even sixth time, but unlike several on here I do not cower to the verbal bully.
Strangely enough regarding this bill we are on the same side - I will not though be so biased as to let it blinker my judgement. |
No one is bullying you by asking you to questions in response to the following post...
“The media are right at the moment in that there are more at these demos hell bent on causing trouble then there are genuine opponents to the bill. Join the genuine ones and swell there numbers to show real frustration at this bill.”
Your post copied and pasted by the way.
You said the majority of protesters were trouble. Do you have evidence to support this claim?
You said to join genuine protests, which ones are genuine in your view that you’d suggest as an alternative?
Fancy actually answering? | |
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| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 23:27 - Apr 4 with 1016 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 23:09 - Apr 4 by monytowbray |
No one is bullying you by asking you to questions in response to the following post...
“The media are right at the moment in that there are more at these demos hell bent on causing trouble then there are genuine opponents to the bill. Join the genuine ones and swell there numbers to show real frustration at this bill.”
Your post copied and pasted by the way.
You said the majority of protesters were trouble. Do you have evidence to support this claim?
You said to join genuine protests, which ones are genuine in your view that you’d suggest as an alternative?
Fancy actually answering? |
Monytowbray, you have too much time on your hands - to defeat this bill I suggested that more of us need to join the genuine protesters to outnumber those causing trouble.
I do not have to answer/prove anything to you at all.
Often there is so much pettiness on here that the main thread is forgotten and conclusions are very rarely reached.
Oh and I never used the word majority - you fibber you!
Now I am going to bed..
Sleep well.. | | | |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 23:36 - Apr 4 with 1009 views | monytowbray |
| Calling something 'Kill The Bill' is stupid on 23:27 - Apr 4 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Monytowbray, you have too much time on your hands - to defeat this bill I suggested that more of us need to join the genuine protesters to outnumber those causing trouble.
I do not have to answer/prove anything to you at all.
Often there is so much pettiness on here that the main thread is forgotten and conclusions are very rarely reached.
Oh and I never used the word majority - you fibber you!
Now I am going to bed..
Sleep well.. |
MORE AT THESE DEMOS. You said that. So are you saying your original comment was wrong at best and a lie at worst?
The second question you’ve just repeated yourself. What are these genuine protests? I’m interested to join and follow any relevant alternatives to KTB so surely pointing me in the right direction aids the causes you support? | |
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