| Wind farms - good or bad ? 08:52 - May 11 with 1889 views | HARRY10 |
Well, here's the thoughts of one chap in 2013.
"“Labour put in a load of wind farms that failed to pull the skin off a rice pudding,” he said. “We now have the opportunity to get shale gas — let’s look at it. It is part of the 2020 vision we have for this city — power generation is vital.”
He dismissed efforts to replace closing coal stations with wind power, arguing shale gas offers the best opportunity for a secure supply. The London Mayor (for it is he) cast doubt on the effectiveness of wind farms as he argued Britain should be doing more to exploit the potential of shale gas.
He even suggested that people might be able to conduct controversial exploration for shale gas in London, after geologists revealed Britain has vast reserves of the fossil fuel underground. Although shale gas drilling caused a mini-earthquake near Blackpool with fears that it could contaminate drinking water if not done properly, this cretin said it was right to look at the dangers but “it may be some people will benefit mightily from living near these reserves”.*
The relevance here is that today's Queens speech will announce plans for which both this idiot and thousands of fellow bigots have been ranting against for years.
* only an absolute fckwit would spout such shyte, given what was aleady known years before
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13053040
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:57 - May 11 with 733 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:35 - May 11 by EdwardStone |
I'm glad that you can see the benefits of renewables and I'm sure that we fully agree on the problems that fossil fuels have caused and are continuing to cause
Where I cannot agree is for continued support to the nuclear industry. In my opinion, they have had there chance and failed to deliver. They have greedily suckled at the teat of taxpayers money for the last 70 or so years and I believe that our money could and should have been more wisely invested. To continue to support them as they make a move to less damaging materials is folly....simply throwing good money after bad. "But this time it will be different....I promise" Yeah, right.
I read that we are locked into the insanity of buying nuclear generated electricity from Hinkley for the next 90 years....at a current cost of 4 times the market rate. With the advances in solar that rate could be much greater as the years pass
The one factor that is rarely mentioned in these kind of discussions is the role of energy conservation. The cheapest and most benign Kilowatt of energy generation is the kilowatt that you don't require because you have invested in energy conservation
Not a big and shiny reactor that we can ooh and aahh at, go to its Visitor's Centre and all agree that the people who designed and built it were Jolly Clever Chaps
Not an amazing technological fix, a field of solar panels or a farm of majestic windmills....just humble rolls of Rockwool and bags of vermiculite and a few people in PPE shuffling about in the loft
Not as glamourous, but a significant contribution. |
For what it is worth, whenever I have had the opportunity I have switched my energy supply to Ecotricity. So I put my money where my mouth is and know my money has gone into building windfarms.
Doubt many can say that, despite what their opinions are on the subject of energy.
https://www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/green-electricity?partner=GO1& - Switch today to contribute to a better future!!! Haha |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:04 - May 11 with 715 views | WeWereZombies |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:57 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
For what it is worth, whenever I have had the opportunity I have switched my energy supply to Ecotricity. So I put my money where my mouth is and know my money has gone into building windfarms.
Doubt many can say that, despite what their opinions are on the subject of energy.
https://www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/green-electricity?partner=GO1& - Switch today to contribute to a better future!!! Haha |
'Doubt many can say that, despite what their opinions are on the subject of energy.'
I think more than you expect could be saying that:
'With the largest offshore wind development pipeline in the UK and Ireland at over 6GW and an onshore wind pipeline across both markets in excess of 1GW, SSE Renewables has strong opportunities for the future.'
https://www.sse.com/what-we-do/sse-renewables/ |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:04 - May 11 with 714 views | EdwardStone |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 10:57 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
For what it is worth, whenever I have had the opportunity I have switched my energy supply to Ecotricity. So I put my money where my mouth is and know my money has gone into building windfarms.
Doubt many can say that, despite what their opinions are on the subject of energy.
https://www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/green-electricity?partner=GO1& - Switch today to contribute to a better future!!! Haha |
Top Work Mr K
And the profits from your leccy bill go to compulsory Bean Burgers at the New Lawn |  | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:05 - May 11 with 709 views | EdwardStone |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:04 - May 11 by EdwardStone |
Top Work Mr K
And the profits from your leccy bill go to compulsory Bean Burgers at the New Lawn |
And I am a complete hypocrite.....my electricity is via Utility Whorehouse | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:10 - May 11 with 694 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:04 - May 11 by WeWereZombies |
'Doubt many can say that, despite what their opinions are on the subject of energy.'
I think more than you expect could be saying that:
'With the largest offshore wind development pipeline in the UK and Ireland at over 6GW and an onshore wind pipeline across both markets in excess of 1GW, SSE Renewables has strong opportunities for the future.'
https://www.sse.com/what-we-do/sse-renewables/ |
Ecotricity put all of their profits into wind for decades. Sustained investment. Others have joined the bandwagon more recently.
Pull up the investment per profit made stats | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:11 - May 11 with 688 views | solemio |
A currently small but increasing amount of energy is coming from sewage. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:11 - May 11 with 682 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:05 - May 11 by EdwardStone |
And I am a complete hypocrite.....my electricity is via Utility Whorehouse |
Never too late to make a change. Put it on your list for the weekend. You're obviously passionate about the issue, so why not. | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:15 - May 11 with 658 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That link is for 2019, and shows Russia exporting such insignificant volumes of gas to the UK that there isn’t an amount recorded in the table...
Classic Harry |  |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:18 - May 11 with 648 views | WeWereZombies |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:10 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Ecotricity put all of their profits into wind for decades. Sustained investment. Others have joined the bandwagon more recently.
Pull up the investment per profit made stats |
SSE have the legacy of Scottish Hydro in their portfolio, we are going back before the Second World War here. I recently read 'The Hydro Boys' by Emma Wood ( https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Hydro_Boys.html?id=t-fDAAAACAAJ&s ), which is a fascinating account of development (and decline for a while) of a class of renewable energy. The role of Tom Johnston, Churchill's Socialist 'King of Scotland', was important as a political champion for projects and the labyrinthine way that numbers can be crunched to support or destroy a project often has little to do with long term benefits and impacts. | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:30 - May 11 with 614 views | WeWereZombies |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:11 - May 11 by solemio |
A currently small but increasing amount of energy is coming from sewage. |
Where there's muck there's gas...
The gamechanger, where have I seen that word before?, could be tidal and it looks like the World leading research is based in the United Kingdom. I read somewhere that Stromness has the highest salaries and most in demand in property on these islands, which would no doubt have come as a surprise to George Mackay Brown.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/scotlands-first-floating-tidal-power-f | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:40 - May 11 with 591 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:15 - May 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That link is for 2019, and shows Russia exporting such insignificant volumes of gas to the UK that there isn’t an amount recorded in the table...
Classic Harry |
I had a brief look and saw the oil figure. But you're right, nothing listed for gas.
We can assume from this and my link that we haven't suddenly opened up a pipeline from Russia for gas in 2020.
The fourth largest is likely to be another small one-off to meet some short-term spike. | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:42 - May 11 with 580 views | HARRY10 |
The confusion looks to be one of the amount of gas coming via a pipeline, and LPG which is imported via shipping.
Yes, if the former is low then any security threat from closing down the pipeline is minimal.
However that was not the point - which is one of having the UK reducing its reliance on non UK sources for it's energy.
With an abundance of coal as a last ditch back up, the UK should have a greater degree of security. That is why the US has continued to buy from the Middle East so as to conserve it's own stocks.
Again I return to the dyed haired gobs hite who spent years pandering to his support by demonising renewable energy, and so giving their nonsense credibility. Which beggars the thought that whatever guff he spouts now is almost certain to be solely on that basis, one of ultimately serving his (not the UKs) own interests. | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:56 - May 11 with 565 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:42 - May 11 by HARRY10 |
The confusion looks to be one of the amount of gas coming via a pipeline, and LPG which is imported via shipping.
Yes, if the former is low then any security threat from closing down the pipeline is minimal.
However that was not the point - which is one of having the UK reducing its reliance on non UK sources for it's energy.
With an abundance of coal as a last ditch back up, the UK should have a greater degree of security. That is why the US has continued to buy from the Middle East so as to conserve it's own stocks.
Again I return to the dyed haired gobs hite who spent years pandering to his support by demonising renewable energy, and so giving their nonsense credibility. Which beggars the thought that whatever guff he spouts now is almost certain to be solely on that basis, one of ultimately serving his (not the UKs) own interests. |
I was never confused about how LNG arrives from Russia. By the very nature of how it is transported it isn't going to make up great percentages of our imports.
I don't mean to be rude or argumentative, but it doesn't seem like you have a great handle on your stats, and therefore I can't really trust what you are presenting more widely.
I agree with you that we should be seeking energy security and I believe that we should be pursuing clean energy.
For me that means renewables and nuclear. For others, they want to see just a push for just renewables.
There are options for you to maximize that push towards renewables - I provided a link above - which will also, inturn, grant us greater energy independence from other nations.
I don't understand your last paragraph. [Post edited 11 May 2021 11:56]
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:11 - May 11 with 524 views | HARRY10 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:15 - May 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That link is for 2019, and shows Russia exporting such insignificant volumes of gas to the UK that there isn’t an amount recorded in the table...
Classic Harry |
whereas the truth is as stated in the link - the clue being the fourth country named (clue, it begins with the letter 'R') and the amount is listed as 3,800,000 metric tonnes
https://www.statista.com/statistics/381963/crude-oil-and-natural-gas-import-orig
might I point out as well that the usual l idea of putting up evidence in a counter argument is to have it back your argument, not refute it  | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:18 - May 11 with 515 views | HARRY10 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 11:56 - May 11 by Kropotkin123 |
I was never confused about how LNG arrives from Russia. By the very nature of how it is transported it isn't going to make up great percentages of our imports.
I don't mean to be rude or argumentative, but it doesn't seem like you have a great handle on your stats, and therefore I can't really trust what you are presenting more widely.
I agree with you that we should be seeking energy security and I believe that we should be pursuing clean energy.
For me that means renewables and nuclear. For others, they want to see just a push for just renewables.
There are options for you to maximize that push towards renewables - I provided a link above - which will also, inturn, grant us greater energy independence from other nations.
I don't understand your last paragraph. [Post edited 11 May 2021 11:56]
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"it doesn't seem like you have a great handle on your stats"
apart from the ones I used - do keep up
I never claimed what we should be pursuing or seeking - that is just you making up stuff
my point in that, was to highlight why the country is taking the approach it is - and added to caution that left in the hands of an incompetent lie it would be put at risk - as explained in the final paragraph
or put simpler
how can we know what an habitual liar is saying now, won't turn out to be another lie ? | | | |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:40 - May 11 with 499 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:11 - May 11 by HARRY10 |
whereas the truth is as stated in the link - the clue being the fourth country named (clue, it begins with the letter 'R') and the amount is listed as 3,800,000 metric tonnes
https://www.statista.com/statistics/381963/crude-oil-and-natural-gas-import-orig
might I point out as well that the usual l idea of putting up evidence in a counter argument is to have it back your argument, not refute it |
No, that number is for crude oil, there isn’t a figure against gas
Nice try though | |
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| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:49 - May 11 with 486 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Wind farms - good or bad ? on 13:18 - May 11 by HARRY10 |
"it doesn't seem like you have a great handle on your stats"
apart from the ones I used - do keep up
I never claimed what we should be pursuing or seeking - that is just you making up stuff
my point in that, was to highlight why the country is taking the approach it is - and added to caution that left in the hands of an incompetent lie it would be put at risk - as explained in the final paragraph
or put simpler
how can we know what an habitual liar is saying now, won't turn out to be another lie ? |
"Do keep up"... The stats were wrong though. The wrong year. The wrong commodity. You still haven't said the percentage for Russia in 2020, which was dramatised as 4th highest.
I'm not making stuff up. It is just hard to follow what you are actually saying, as it isn't clearly written. A lot of ranting and very little substance.
To answer your question... Don't trust liars.
EDIT: Also if you're actually asking "how can we know what an habitual liar is saying now, won't turn out to be another lie ?", then perhaps don't ask "Wind farms - Good or bad?" as the subject header. [Post edited 11 May 2021 14:01]
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