| Very disappointed 17:23 - May 12 with 10171 views | HalifaxBlue |
that the club has given a contract to a man who barely two years ago was convicted of sending death threats to his wife. |  |
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| Very disappointed on 09:46 - May 13 with 406 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very disappointed on 09:28 - May 13 by chrismakin |
The sad thing is you dont understand why it is.
It's ok. Not everyone does. But that's why charities continue to work hard to educate as many people as possible so that women and also men dont feel scared to come forward Incase there is 'this need' to know the 'context' |
I'm not saying the case against him should've been dropped, I'm saying he shouldn't be vilified for the rest of his life for something probably done in the heat of the moment and with a lot leading up to it.
That's not victim blaming. What he did is still wrong and it's not the victim's fault he reacted in that way. But you must understand the world isn't black and white and there are reasons that lead up to things happening? That still doesn't put blame on the victim. It asks if the perpetrator can get a second chance after doing wrong. There are also charities that deal with rehabilitation and that's very important too. Working with people to prevent this happening again is far more successful than your 'lock him up and throw away the key' attitude. [Post edited 13 May 2021 9:48]
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| Very disappointed on 09:50 - May 13 with 375 views | braveblue |
| Very disappointed on 17:46 - May 12 by HalifaxBlue |
If there are equally qualified candidates for a job, and one of them has been recently convicted of a crime such as this, then yes I believe they should be passed over for the job. And I don't think anyone on here would argue Franny Jeffers was the most qualified candidate available.
A question for you - do you feel that 625 pounds is an appropriate punishment for a presumably wealthy man who has threatened his wife's life? |
Presumably. In other words you don’t know.
The judge thought it appropriate. Another posters opinion not really relevant.
Give him a chance for goodness sake. |  | | |
| Very disappointed on 09:52 - May 13 with 367 views | chrismakin |
| Very disappointed on 09:46 - May 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not saying the case against him should've been dropped, I'm saying he shouldn't be vilified for the rest of his life for something probably done in the heat of the moment and with a lot leading up to it.
That's not victim blaming. What he did is still wrong and it's not the victim's fault he reacted in that way. But you must understand the world isn't black and white and there are reasons that lead up to things happening? That still doesn't put blame on the victim. It asks if the perpetrator can get a second chance after doing wrong. There are also charities that deal with rehabilitation and that's very important too. Working with people to prevent this happening again is far more successful than your 'lock him up and throw away the key' attitude. [Post edited 13 May 2021 9:48]
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The way of discussing it is key.
Your original "what did she do".. is direct and looks to direct the attention to the victim.
Why was he so angry.... that's a fair question and then a discussion about the whole situation can then take place
See the difference? And that's why I've been so vocal about it.
Regarding his right to reform. I appreciate that. And I've said to others I appreciate he has that right. However my personal view is I dont think it should be here. It's not my place to say so. It's just a personal view. Do I think he should be able to get a job yes as that's his right. |  |
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| Very disappointed on 11:12 - May 13 with 323 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Very disappointed on 09:52 - May 13 by chrismakin |
The way of discussing it is key.
Your original "what did she do".. is direct and looks to direct the attention to the victim.
Why was he so angry.... that's a fair question and then a discussion about the whole situation can then take place
See the difference? And that's why I've been so vocal about it.
Regarding his right to reform. I appreciate that. And I've said to others I appreciate he has that right. However my personal view is I dont think it should be here. It's not my place to say so. It's just a personal view. Do I think he should be able to get a job yes as that's his right. |
Fair enough, I see your point and I could've worded that better. | |
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| Very disappointed on 11:55 - May 13 with 317 views | MerseyBlue |
| Very disappointed on 04:34 - May 13 by gordon |
I think it's fine to talk about context, but you do have to apply that to every crime & misdemeanour, not just as and when you see it fit to do so.
So when a drunk driver kills someone you ought to respond, ah but what about the context - perhaps he hadn't seen his mates in a while, perhaps there was a new beer on tap etc etc. |
Yeah I'd agree with you on that. As I say, wanting to know the context isn't about wanting to excuse the behaviour, it is about wanting to know all of the facts. That goes for any crime, so yeah, I make you right on that.
I think the only reason this point got played out so much on this thread is because chrismakin compared people asking for the context to people saying a woman deserved to be raped because of the clothes she wore. That's a false equivalence.
The most important issues with this are
1) what Jeffers did was wrong and cannot be excused
2) he should be allowed to rehabilitate and illustrate that he has changed
3) he has every right to continue in his profession
It's all very 'not in my backyard' to say he should be allowed to continue working in football, but not at this club. In an ideal world he would come out and speak about what has gone on, addressing any concerns the fan base might have.
He wasn't employed here when it happened, so I feel that is his decision to make rather than the club's. In the meantime, I'm pleased we have signed a coach from a Premier League club, I'm excited and hopeful for the improvements he could make to our side, and I'm optimistic that he can keep his nose clean and turn his life around. |  |
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