| Options for legally watching online? 11:03 - Dec 18 with 3311 views | Deano69 |
After a tormented few days I have decided not to go today, gutted.
Any way of legally watching online that anyone knows of.
Suspect I know the answer. :( |  |
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| Options for legally watching online? on 13:20 - Dec 18 with 556 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Options for legally watching online? on 12:34 - Dec 18 by bluelagos |
Indeed, breaching the Ts and Cs is not a criminal offense so anyone stating "it is illegal" and who can't tell you which law is being broken is incorrect... |
I genuinely don't know (doesn't seem anyone does). The common belief is that it's legal, and it's more a morality argument. But I haven't seen an authoritative stance on it from a legal perspective.
Anyway, can't stop as I'm going to struggle to make it to South Korea before 3 pm at this rate! |  |
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| Options for legally watching online? on 14:00 - Dec 18 with 501 views | HighgateBlue |
There are a lot of people responding to this thread, and similar threads from time to time, who purport to be not only experts on this field of law, but experts who have absolute certainty that their analysis (though cursory or non-existent) is correct. ("100% legal..." blah blah)
Plainly a lot of people use VPNs, just as a lot of people used Napster back in the day. This probably means that unless and until there is either further legislation or a change of government policy, people using it will be able to carry on doing so with impunity. Essentially, nobody yet cares enough to stop it.
I could set out a detailed analysis of the civil law position (in respect of contract and tort), and also in respect of the criminal law. There is of course a difference.
But for those whose level of analysis only goes as far as blindly asserting "100% legal", I suspect the analysis provided by the The Sun might be more readily comprehensible. In short, obtaining a service that is not provided in the UK by pretending to be somewhere else (i.e. by making a false representation as to your local in order to deceive the company into providing you with a service) is funnily enough not in accordance with the law. Whether it is criminally illegal or not will depend on the specific circumstances of the case.
The Sun just goes with:
"Using a VPN to get around such geo-restrictions is illegal and so it is important never to do so."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6157552/what-is-a-vpn-legal-used-for-how/#:~:text= |  | | |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:02 - Dec 18 with 499 views | thelingting |
If anything from a morality sense - my take is that if you had no intention or an inability to make a match in person then the financing the club (and EFL) will get is a net positive. The reasoning behind not showing 3pm kickoffs on a Saturday is to encourage people to a match at the end of the day.
As another poster pointed out, with the covid situation at the moment I think you can make an even greater argument to the morality of it as for a lot of people it is probably questionable whether going to a match in person at the moment is truly a net positive. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 14:04]
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| Options for legally watching online? on 14:10 - Dec 18 with 478 views | jeera |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:00 - Dec 18 by HighgateBlue |
There are a lot of people responding to this thread, and similar threads from time to time, who purport to be not only experts on this field of law, but experts who have absolute certainty that their analysis (though cursory or non-existent) is correct. ("100% legal..." blah blah)
Plainly a lot of people use VPNs, just as a lot of people used Napster back in the day. This probably means that unless and until there is either further legislation or a change of government policy, people using it will be able to carry on doing so with impunity. Essentially, nobody yet cares enough to stop it.
I could set out a detailed analysis of the civil law position (in respect of contract and tort), and also in respect of the criminal law. There is of course a difference.
But for those whose level of analysis only goes as far as blindly asserting "100% legal", I suspect the analysis provided by the The Sun might be more readily comprehensible. In short, obtaining a service that is not provided in the UK by pretending to be somewhere else (i.e. by making a false representation as to your local in order to deceive the company into providing you with a service) is funnily enough not in accordance with the law. Whether it is criminally illegal or not will depend on the specific circumstances of the case.
The Sun just goes with:
"Using a VPN to get around such geo-restrictions is illegal and so it is important never to do so."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/6157552/what-is-a-vpn-legal-used-for-how/#:~:text= |
Can only spot one post claiming it to be 100% legal fella.
Maybe best to respond to them directly. |  |
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| Options for legally watching online? on 14:15 - Dec 18 with 471 views | DavoIPB |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:10 - Dec 18 by jeera |
Can only spot one post claiming it to be 100% legal fella.
Maybe best to respond to them directly. |
Yep think most people just said it could go either way. Nobody stopping it but I'm sure they will soon. | | | |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:16 - Dec 18 with 468 views | jeera |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:15 - Dec 18 by DavoIPB |
Yep think most people just said it could go either way. Nobody stopping it but I'm sure they will soon. |
Still, the condescension was fun huh?! | |
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| Options for legally watching online? on 19:21 - Dec 18 with 351 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| Options for legally watching online? on 14:10 - Dec 18 by jeera |
Can only spot one post claiming it to be 100% legal fella.
Maybe best to respond to them directly. |
Yeah, respond to me directly by DM so I can just delete your message and save everyone else. | | | |
| Options for legally watching online? on 19:39 - Dec 18 with 339 views | borge |
| Options for legally watching online? on 12:52 - Dec 18 by Ryorry |
There's also the point (I think) that the EFL (or other footballing authority) restrict live-streaming for the good reason that they don't want clubs' valuable revenue source of bums-on-seats being depleted by cheaper online ways of watching.
Tho in these Covid times, I'd say there's a good case for making exceptions when the R rate is high. |
I suspect that it is somewhat in their best interests to turn a blind eye. People are paying for the service and both the clubs and the EFL are probably making a fairly significant income from it. There's an argument that if they stop it people will switch to illegal streams - the issue of people watching remotely rather than going to games remains, but the income is lost. | | | |
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| Options for legally watching online? on 19:44 - Dec 18 with 336 views | jeera |
| Options for legally watching online? on 19:21 - Dec 18 by BlueBlueBluex2 |
Yeah, respond to me directly by DM so I can just delete your message and save everyone else. |
Seems odd that you've directed that at me.
[Post edited 18 Dec 2021 19:46]
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