| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy 17:16 - Dec 12 with 4523 views | brazil1981 |
I don’t usually watch so I’m no expert…
However seems like the stewards stitched Hamilton up like a kipper there! Bit like being 5-0 up in last minute and ref goes “next goal wins”!
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:17 - Dec 12 with 3102 views | BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that a 'sport' that appeals to middle eastern dictators and billionaires would turn out to be corrupt? |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:19 - Dec 12 with 3099 views | southnorfolkblue |
It does feel a bit like that doesn’t it.
Hamilton builds up a commanding lead, but an unrelated crash means that he has to allow all the other cars to catch up…and change their tyres and probably have a cup of tea whilst they’re at it. Never understood why the leader doesn’t retain their time advantage during a safety car. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:30 - Dec 12 with 3041 views | EdwardStone |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:19 - Dec 12 by southnorfolkblue |
It does feel a bit like that doesn’t it.
Hamilton builds up a commanding lead, but an unrelated crash means that he has to allow all the other cars to catch up…and change their tyres and probably have a cup of tea whilst they’re at it. Never understood why the leader doesn’t retain their time advantage during a safety car. |
I think it is part of the " Levelling Up" policy |  | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 with 2996 views | Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:43 - Dec 12 with 2977 views | Trequartista |
They stitched Verstappen up on Lap 1 by letting Hamilton cut a corner, so even steven really. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:46 - Dec 12 with 2959 views | Trequartista |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |
If the roles were reversed by Hamilton pitting, it's harder for him to overtake Verstappen because Hamilton has to back out of any collision. But agree, safety cars are part of the rules and it was just bad luck on that occasion. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:52 - Dec 12 with 2909 views | Juggsy |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |
Well they clearly couldn’t the second time as the race may have finished under the safety car and Versyappen would have stayed out and won. So he was hamstrung there, easy decision for the red bulls to go to soft tyres and then the final ignoring of rules to allow verstappen a clear run at a defenceless Hamilton. Corrupt as hell. |  | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:02 - Dec 12 with 2854 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:52 - Dec 12 by Juggsy |
Well they clearly couldn’t the second time as the race may have finished under the safety car and Versyappen would have stayed out and won. So he was hamstrung there, easy decision for the red bulls to go to soft tyres and then the final ignoring of rules to allow verstappen a clear run at a defenceless Hamilton. Corrupt as hell. |
They took a decision not knowing what might happen, Red Bull also had to do the same. I'm not sure finishing the race under the safety car when the track had been cleared would have been very fair either, there's an argument the race could have restarted a lap sooner. It was messy and I can understand Mercedes feeling aggrieved but cries of corruption are a bit silly. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:59 - Dec 12 with 2730 views | Juggsy |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:02 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
They took a decision not knowing what might happen, Red Bull also had to do the same. I'm not sure finishing the race under the safety car when the track had been cleared would have been very fair either, there's an argument the race could have restarted a lap sooner. It was messy and I can understand Mercedes feeling aggrieved but cries of corruption are a bit silly. |
They couldn’t pit because nobody knew if it would end on the safety car but red bull had nothing to lose by pitting then rules were thrown out the window to put the red bull directly behind. That’s an impossible predicament and not following rules correctly to the benefit of some over others is pretty much the definition of corruption. I’m not the biggest Lewis fan but what went down was pretty damaging for the sport. | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:01 - Dec 12 with 2721 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:59 - Dec 12 by Juggsy |
They couldn’t pit because nobody knew if it would end on the safety car but red bull had nothing to lose by pitting then rules were thrown out the window to put the red bull directly behind. That’s an impossible predicament and not following rules correctly to the benefit of some over others is pretty much the definition of corruption. I’m not the biggest Lewis fan but what went down was pretty damaging for the sport. |
They should really have let all the lapped cars unlap themselves at an earlier stage, that would have been normal protocol. I think whatever they'd done, or not done, one side would have felt aggrieved. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:23 - Dec 12 with 2659 views | Bugs |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:01 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
They should really have let all the lapped cars unlap themselves at an earlier stage, that would have been normal protocol. I think whatever they'd done, or not done, one side would have felt aggrieved. |
Feeling aggrieved when the rules had been followed is one thing. Feeling aggrieved when rules are not followed is a whole different thing. Some rules there is nuance and individual judgment at play. You may disagree with the decision but you can maybe understand it. But this is a black and white rule that has not been followed. You either let all the lapped cars unlap themselves or none.
The Merc team could quite correctly say part of their judgment on if to pit Hamilton was based on rules, that apparently can be ignored in a drop of a hat. They where highly likely in a win win situation when that crash happened, if the rules had been followed. Hence why they didn't even consider pitting Hamilton. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 19:23]
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:25 - Dec 12 with 2646 views | chrismakin |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |
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Lap 54 you would have imagined that the race would end under safety car like many others had. Lewis couldn't have pitted first as verstappen would have stayed out.. had the race finished under safety car as it should have done.. then max would have won behind it.. so no Lewis couldn't have pitted.
The race director was the only person in a position to decide who won the championship.
Either the guy who had lead every lap for 54 laps and had an 11 second lead. Or the 2nd place driver who had fresh soft tyres on against a 44 lap old set of hards.
Massey as an individual screwed Lewis. There's not even a fineline.
So he wanted to restart the race... fine. Do it like others... keep lapped cars in their places. Verstappen restarts the race 11 seconds behind with 1 lap to go.
But no. He screwed him over. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:59 - Dec 12 with 2561 views | bluestandard |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:25 - Dec 12 by chrismakin |
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Lap 54 you would have imagined that the race would end under safety car like many others had. Lewis couldn't have pitted first as verstappen would have stayed out.. had the race finished under safety car as it should have done.. then max would have won behind it.. so no Lewis couldn't have pitted.
The race director was the only person in a position to decide who won the championship.
Either the guy who had lead every lap for 54 laps and had an 11 second lead. Or the 2nd place driver who had fresh soft tyres on against a 44 lap old set of hards.
Massey as an individual screwed Lewis. There's not even a fineline.
So he wanted to restart the race... fine. Do it like others... keep lapped cars in their places. Verstappen restarts the race 11 seconds behind with 1 lap to go.
But no. He screwed him over. |
Yes. Your first para is the pertinent one I think. As I was watching in real time I was thinking exactly that ie. don’t pit Hamilton because removing latifi’s car and the debris could easily see the race finish under the safety car. Mercedes thought the same.
In my view, Max got lucky with the safety car, but that luck ran out when the safety car was still out on lap 57. Totally corrupt and manufactured result.
And it’s not the same as the incident in lap 1, since the rule was applied and a judgement made within that. | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:05 - Dec 12 with 2549 views | Darth_Koont |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |
Indeed.
Hamilton was unlucky but these things happen. And he’s also been driving the best car for donkeys’ years too.
Now it’s Verstappen who was in the right place at the right time. Fully deserved. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:21 - Dec 12 with 2502 views | NthQldITFC |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:30 - Dec 12 by EdwardStone |
I think it is part of the " Levelling Up" policy |
Me too. I've been wondering if the Conservative and Unionist Party had surreptitiously taken control of the FIA, what with the trying to change the rules whilst the bloody thing was going on! Max Verpatterson wasn't it? |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:55 - Dec 12 with 2435 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:23 - Dec 12 by Bugs |
Feeling aggrieved when the rules had been followed is one thing. Feeling aggrieved when rules are not followed is a whole different thing. Some rules there is nuance and individual judgment at play. You may disagree with the decision but you can maybe understand it. But this is a black and white rule that has not been followed. You either let all the lapped cars unlap themselves or none.
The Merc team could quite correctly say part of their judgment on if to pit Hamilton was based on rules, that apparently can be ignored in a drop of a hat. They where highly likely in a win win situation when that crash happened, if the rules had been followed. Hence why they didn't even consider pitting Hamilton. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 19:23]
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Had they taken an earlier decision that all the cars could unlap themselves, which they probably should have, the net result would have been the same and Max would still have won. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:55 - Dec 12 with 2434 views | OsborneOneNil |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:05 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
Hamilton was unlucky but these things happen. And he’s also been driving the best car for donkeys’ years too.
Now it’s Verstappen who was in the right place at the right time. Fully deserved. |
Erm, wrong. |  | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 09:08 - Dec 13 with 2139 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Other than the last lap of the last race scenario it was not a lot different from virtually every 'race' which is decided by tyre changes, safety car interventions - or a mistake from the pit committee.
Kind of intriguing that Mercedes saw fit to have a barrister on their team Having tyre changes done by solicitors might be the natural next step - pits stops would never get done. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:35 - Dec 13 with 2017 views | Radlett_blue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:01 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
They should really have let all the lapped cars unlap themselves at an earlier stage, that would have been normal protocol. I think whatever they'd done, or not done, one side would have felt aggrieved. |
The race director is only supposed to allow cars to unlap themselves once it is safe for them to do so. He couldn't do that earlier because it would have led to cars driving at near race pace while the recovery of the wrecked car & debris was still in progress.
It worked unfairly for Hamilton, but that's the way with safety cars & it certainly provided better entertainment than the race lamely finishing behind the safety car. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:38 - Dec 13 with 2012 views | Ely_Blue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:40 - Dec 12 by Herbivore |
Safety cars happen all the time, it's part of the sport. Hamilton's team had two opportunities to bring him in for fresh tyres and they chose not to do so. If they'd taken a different decision he'd have won the race. |
You can bet if Hamilton came in to change tyres and give the lead up to Max that Horner wouldn’t have been on the radio to the FIA complaining “we only need 1 lap” and then Max would have won anyway |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:05 - Dec 13 with 1965 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:38 - Dec 13 by Ely_Blue |
You can bet if Hamilton came in to change tyres and give the lead up to Max that Horner wouldn’t have been on the radio to the FIA complaining “we only need 1 lap” and then Max would have won anyway |
Doubtful, given that Mercedes and Hamilton tend to have the FIA's ear more than anyone else. The idea that Red Bull carry any extra sway is a fiction. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:11 - Dec 13 with 1947 views | chrismakin |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:05 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Doubtful, given that Mercedes and Hamilton tend to have the FIA's ear more than anyone else. The idea that Red Bull carry any extra sway is a fiction. |
Can tell you don't follow the sport based on this.
Which part of fia changing regulations in the summer to suit redbull car set up over Mercedes shows that they favour merc? Merc literally had to rip up half of their car set up a month before the season started. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:55 - Dec 13 with 1892 views | acj |
They should have thrown the red flag when Latifi crashed. That way everyone could have stuck a set of new tyres on, and they’d have had a 3 or 4 lap race to decide the title - no bending the rules to suit one driver, and ensuring there is a racing finish rather than concluding the championship behind the safety car. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 15:06 - Dec 13 with 1875 views | chrismakin |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:55 - Dec 13 by acj |
They should have thrown the red flag when Latifi crashed. That way everyone could have stuck a set of new tyres on, and they’d have had a 3 or 4 lap race to decide the title - no bending the rules to suit one driver, and ensuring there is a racing finish rather than concluding the championship behind the safety car. |
If finishing behind the safety car. Redbull wouldn't even have complained and neither would max. They certainly wouldn't have come out and said but massy could have changed the rules.. it would have just just Lewis lead 58 laps he deserved it. Bit of a question on the first corner incident but that was already resolved. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 15:18 - Dec 13 with 1830 views | Price_1991 |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:25 - Dec 12 by chrismakin |
Incorrect
Lap 54 you would have imagined that the race would end under safety car like many others had. Lewis couldn't have pitted first as verstappen would have stayed out.. had the race finished under safety car as it should have done.. then max would have won behind it.. so no Lewis couldn't have pitted.
The race director was the only person in a position to decide who won the championship.
Either the guy who had lead every lap for 54 laps and had an 11 second lead. Or the 2nd place driver who had fresh soft tyres on against a 44 lap old set of hards.
Massey as an individual screwed Lewis. There's not even a fineline.
So he wanted to restart the race... fine. Do it like others... keep lapped cars in their places. Verstappen restarts the race 11 seconds behind with 1 lap to go.
But no. He screwed him over. |
Completely agree with this.
Masi has "engineered" the race result. There are 2 options I feel he should have taken which wouldn't have caused this issue. The first is he red flags the race when Latifi crashes therefore allowing ALL cars to have a free pit stop and put on fresh rubber that way both Hamilton and Verstappen would have put the softs on for a 5 lap shoot out so to speak. The other option he had if he didn't want to red flag the race is leave the lapped cars in between Hamilton and Verstappen who once the track was back to being green again would have all received blue flags to move out of the way which would have happened in the first part of the lap leaving the two drivers to race for the final section of the track.
Masi has a lot to answer for however I can't see the FIA changing their mind as they will basically be blaming themselves and saying we got it wrong which they will never do. What I can see is Masi potentially being removed as Race Director going forward. | | | |
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