| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy 17:16 - Dec 12 with 5017 views | brazil1981 |
I don’t usually watch so I’m no expert…
However seems like the stewards stitched Hamilton up like a kipper there! Bit like being 5-0 up in last minute and ref goes “next goal wins”!
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:27 - Dec 13 with 843 views | jonbull88 |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 16:08 - Dec 13 by chrismakin |
Yes it's a myth
And redbull did fluff Pitstops at times too. |
Yes as we saw many tyres fall of either red bull this season. All their sub 2 second pit stops were excellent. All f1 teams do is try to disrupt and take away any advantage their competitors have, always have done. | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:29 - Dec 13 with 840 views | StokieBlue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 15:34 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
The track was clear at least a lap sooner than they restarted the race so they didn't need to leave it as late as they did to instruct the cars to unlap themselves. That would have meant the race could still have restarted. Surprised to see people wanting a race to finish under the safety car to be honest, wouldn't have been a great ending to the season. |
Conversely it's not a great end to the season to not follow the rules and then have one lap where someone has brand new tyres and someone has 45 lap old tyres.
Given it was absolutely certain Max would get past it's not really entertainment either.
The race wouldn't have restarted because even if they let them all unlap they then are supposed to wait another lap after the safety car goes in.
Overall it's just a really unsatisfactory end to a brilliant year of racing.
SB [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 17:35]
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:37 - Dec 13 with 796 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 17:29 - Dec 13 by StokieBlue |
Conversely it's not a great end to the season to not follow the rules and then have one lap where someone has brand new tyres and someone has 45 lap old tyres.
Given it was absolutely certain Max would get past it's not really entertainment either.
The race wouldn't have restarted because even if they let them all unlap they then are supposed to wait another lap after the safety car goes in.
Overall it's just a really unsatisfactory end to a brilliant year of racing.
SB [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 17:35]
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It is, but I think however it ended would have been unsatisfactory after the crash happening so close to the end. I'm not sure there was a good ending available at that point. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:47 - Dec 13 with 785 views | StokieBlue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:37 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
It is, but I think however it ended would have been unsatisfactory after the crash happening so close to the end. I'm not sure there was a good ending available at that point. |
Would you not agree that the fairer ending was the one that followed the rules and meant the person who was 15 seconds ahead before the crash won the race?
The way it ended seems far more unfair to me given it required a breaking of the rules and meant the slower driver on the day won.
It's all just a mess and it's tarnished the year which is unfortunate.
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:49 - Dec 13 with 783 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:47 - Dec 13 by StokieBlue |
Would you not agree that the fairer ending was the one that followed the rules and meant the person who was 15 seconds ahead before the crash won the race?
The way it ended seems far more unfair to me given it required a breaking of the rules and meant the slower driver on the day won.
It's all just a mess and it's tarnished the year which is unfortunate.
SB |
Safety cars are part of the sport. The decision making from the officials was muddled and poor but I don't necessarily think waving Hamilton through under the safety car would have felt satisfactory either. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:52 - Dec 13 with 779 views | rkc123 |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:37 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
It is, but I think however it ended would have been unsatisfactory after the crash happening so close to the end. I'm not sure there was a good ending available at that point. |
It was just so poorly handled, if they wanted to create an artificial final showdown between the two drivers then just red flag it and let them both start again on fresh tyres, Hamilton would have the effective advantage of pole position for this mini race as a fair reward for his 54 laps or whatever it was of leading comfortably, but you get a brilliant end which given the circumstances was as fair a fight as you could get. Alternatively, you follow the rules, end under safety car and accept that it is a bit of a dull end, but the right one given Hamilton dominated the race.
It's been said before but the race director (and stewards possibly) got caught up in this idea of creating drama, which just isn't their job, and as I said, if they wanted to cross that line and contravene their own rules to create a spectacular finish, at least do it well, what we got with the difference in tyre's was a duel that could only really have entertained the most casual of F1 fan. | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:34 - Dec 13 with 750 views | StokieBlue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:49 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
Safety cars are part of the sport. The decision making from the officials was muddled and poor but I don't necessarily think waving Hamilton through under the safety car would have felt satisfactory either. |
That is the rule though.
Probably wouldn't have felt satisfactory as you say, it is however the way things should have turned out going by the rules. As you say, safety cars are part of the sport and so are the rules governing their process.
What happened was hugely contrived and feels far worse to me than finishing under the safety car but then it's about opinions I guess.
SB [Post edited 13 Dec 2021 19:36]
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 20:36 - Dec 13 with 717 views | billlm |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 16:06 - Dec 13 by Wickets |
I was going to keep quiet as i'm no expert either but your post was my thought exactly . |
I agree with Chris this stinks, Lewis was screwed over,if Massy was intent on finishing it as race and not behind the safety car, he should have made that decision a lap earlier especially if he was intent on allowing everyone to get back in their race positions, that would have allowed Lewis to put softs on then go back to the front, then an equal one lap race,once Massy didn't make this choice he handed it to red bull Lewis had no chance on the hard worn compound, great season ruined by one man, I hope he sleeps well, he single handedly orchestrated who he wanted to win, this stinks, after a great season it's probably put viewers off, |  | | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 09:09 - Dec 14 with 658 views | StokieBlue |
Helmut Marko now saying Red Bull could consider their position in F1 if the decision is changed (which it won't be ) or if there is not more consistency in decisions.
Pushing for "let them race" which is nice but even nicer when you have a driver that the other drivers thinks drives well past the accepted norms. The drivers meeting after Brazil where he attempted to collide with Lewis about 20m off the track highlighted that the other drivers thought he was well outside the "let them race" rules.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/marko-calls-mercedes-unworthy-losers-threatens-to-
Going to be pretty bad next unless they get this all sorted.
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 09:17 - Dec 14 with 655 views | billlm |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 09:09 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Helmut Marko now saying Red Bull could consider their position in F1 if the decision is changed (which it won't be ) or if there is not more consistency in decisions.
Pushing for "let them race" which is nice but even nicer when you have a driver that the other drivers thinks drives well past the accepted norms. The drivers meeting after Brazil where he attempted to collide with Lewis about 20m off the track highlighted that the other drivers thought he was well outside the "let them race" rules.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/marko-calls-mercedes-unworthy-losers-threatens-to-
Going to be pretty bad next unless they get this all sorted.
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Your correct the decision won't be changed, it's done now, he takes no prisoners for a fact, but could back fire on him, he gives no quarter but then the others have the same choice, say on slower corners where they could easily take him out, he may become very unpopular next season, time will tell, | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:31 - Dec 14 with 609 views | bluestandard |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:37 - Dec 13 by Herbivore |
It is, but I think however it ended would have been unsatisfactory after the crash happening so close to the end. I'm not sure there was a good ending available at that point. |
One ending unsatisfactory from an ‘entertainment’ perspective, the other ending unsatisfactory from a sporting justice perspective. We all know which should have prevailed. | | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 18:40 - Dec 14 with 567 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:31 - Dec 14 by bluestandard |
One ending unsatisfactory from an ‘entertainment’ perspective, the other ending unsatisfactory from a sporting justice perspective. We all know which should have prevailed. |
According to our fans, entertainment is more important than results. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:37 - Dec 14 with 548 views | chrismakin |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 14:31 - Dec 14 by bluestandard |
One ending unsatisfactory from an ‘entertainment’ perspective, the other ending unsatisfactory from a sporting justice perspective. We all know which should have prevailed. |
This video is another example of how fked up it was. |  |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:23 - Dec 18 with 469 views | StokieBlue |
The new head of the FIA is talking about giving Hamilton a penalty (perhaps 10 grid places for the first race) for not turning up to the FIA end of season gala.
All getting a bit silly now.
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:31 - Dec 18 with 451 views | eireblue |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:23 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
The new head of the FIA is talking about giving Hamilton a penalty (perhaps 10 grid places for the first race) for not turning up to the FIA end of season gala.
All getting a bit silly now.
SB |
Ferrari International Assistance have to keep in practise whilst their team isn’t doing so well. And if they turn out a good car next year… |  | | |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:32 - Dec 18 with 451 views | Herbivore |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:23 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
The new head of the FIA is talking about giving Hamilton a penalty (perhaps 10 grid places for the first race) for not turning up to the FIA end of season gala.
All getting a bit silly now.
SB |
Yeah that's ridiculous. They dropped their appeal but you can understand them being unhappy and not wanting to celebrate like all is fine and dandy. To threaten to penalise them is rather churlish. | |
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| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 19:39 - Dec 18 with 414 views | billlm |
| F1 Grand Prix - football analogy on 13:23 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
The new head of the FIA is talking about giving Hamilton a penalty (perhaps 10 grid places for the first race) for not turning up to the FIA end of season gala.
All getting a bit silly now.
SB |
He's probably going to retire, that should just enhance it, | | | |
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