| Greetings from the Political Void 13:26 - Mar 10 with 4291 views | Darth_Koont |
Hooray for the “grownups”. |  |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 09:56 - Mar 12 with 554 views | giant_stow |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 22:51 - Mar 10 by noggin |
Corbyn frightened the right, hence the media witch hunt which led to his downfall. Blaming his supporters for the country getting Johnson is ridiculous. |
The right loved Corbyn! No better friend than him. |  |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:21 - Mar 12 with 523 views | Darth_Koont |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 09:56 - Mar 12 by giant_stow |
The right loved Corbyn! No better friend than him. |
You mean once the right demonised him and the Labour right joined the pile on, briefed against him and invented even more smears.
He scared both sh/tless. Hence they lied, cheated and stole to discredit and marginalise him and his values.
It was a blatant and aggressive defence of the status quo against someone who knows the UK can be a lot better. The problem was that the UK being a lot better as a whole would be demonstrably worse for the right-wing and Labour right who don’t really care about wider society but what’s in it for them and their narrower, self-interested world view. | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:37 - Mar 12 with 494 views | noggin |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:21 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont |
You mean once the right demonised him and the Labour right joined the pile on, briefed against him and invented even more smears.
He scared both sh/tless. Hence they lied, cheated and stole to discredit and marginalise him and his values.
It was a blatant and aggressive defence of the status quo against someone who knows the UK can be a lot better. The problem was that the UK being a lot better as a whole would be demonstrably worse for the right-wing and Labour right who don’t really care about wider society but what’s in it for them and their narrower, self-interested world view. |
Spot on mate. |  |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:37 - Mar 12 with 489 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 09:09 - Mar 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Didn't you once protest to keep the coal industry going? |
Absolutely. (Edit....but more so the communities it supported) [Post edited 12 Mar 2022 10:40]
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:58 - Mar 12 with 459 views | Darth_Koont |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:37 - Mar 12 by noggin |
Spot on mate. |
It was particularly amusing how before the 2017 election he was mostly accused of being an incompetent, awful politician who couldn’t fight his and the Labour party’s way out of a wet paper bag.
Then, with zero self-awareness or self-respect in an almost Orwellian shift, the issue became that he was a real and effective danger if he got into power. Or that he should be leading by 20 points in the polls not just 5. Or that he secretly wanted Brexit, hated Jews, hated Britain, supported Putin, his policy programme was “unviable” or even communist in its intent ... and on and on.
The nonsense against Corbyn was ramped up (even within the Labour party) the more of a political and electoral threat he became.
Hopefully people won’t believe the same liars after the fact who are saying that he was a right-wing asset from day one or even 2 years on. He was a target – and the supposedly objective and fair people and pundits just standing by and watching that happen effectively turned him into the asset, many discrediting their own Brexit position at the same time and sweeping the Tories into power to continue doing their worst.
History – and future generations – won’t be kind to this betrayal of basic values. | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:00 - Mar 12 with 433 views | giant_stow |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 10:21 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont |
You mean once the right demonised him and the Labour right joined the pile on, briefed against him and invented even more smears.
He scared both sh/tless. Hence they lied, cheated and stole to discredit and marginalise him and his values.
It was a blatant and aggressive defence of the status quo against someone who knows the UK can be a lot better. The problem was that the UK being a lot better as a whole would be demonstrably worse for the right-wing and Labour right who don’t really care about wider society but what’s in it for them and their narrower, self-interested world view. |
No, I mean he was no threat to anyone long before the pres gave him going over too.
It's sad that the Labour left stood by him when it was obvious how useless he was (and against useless opposition don't forget). Hey ho chance gone for now. | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:14 - Mar 12 with 407 views | Darth_Koont |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:00 - Mar 12 by giant_stow |
No, I mean he was no threat to anyone long before the pres gave him going over too.
It's sad that the Labour left stood by him when it was obvious how useless he was (and against useless opposition don't forget). Hey ho chance gone for now. |
Pre-2017 there was a lot of that posturing.
But you’ll have to explain why the full machine was cranked up against him after that. And why if he was no threat in real terms, people had to invent or misrepresent the vast majority of the accusations and issues surrounding him?
You’re either lying to me or yourself. I suspect the latter. | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:31 - Mar 12 with 381 views | giant_stow |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:14 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont |
Pre-2017 there was a lot of that posturing.
But you’ll have to explain why the full machine was cranked up against him after that. And why if he was no threat in real terms, people had to invent or misrepresent the vast majority of the accusations and issues surrounding him?
You’re either lying to me or yourself. I suspect the latter. |
No lying Mr. Just an honestly held opinion born out by the bare facts of electoral results. Everything was setup for him to succeed the movement was there behind him, but it led to one of worst defeats ever. What you call the full machine been cranked up, was because it was an easy and obvious thing to do against a man with so much baggage and so many personality flaws. Like I say, it's a shame for the Labour left that their loyalty was so misplaced - it would have been interesting to see what a better candidate might have achieved. Hey ho, ancient history now, but the lesson is there for the future: less top down 'we know best and more listening to the electorate (not just the Labour left). | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:42 - Mar 12 with 361 views | Darth_Koont |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:31 - Mar 12 by giant_stow |
No lying Mr. Just an honestly held opinion born out by the bare facts of electoral results. Everything was setup for him to succeed the movement was there behind him, but it led to one of worst defeats ever. What you call the full machine been cranked up, was because it was an easy and obvious thing to do against a man with so much baggage and so many personality flaws. Like I say, it's a shame for the Labour left that their loyalty was so misplaced - it would have been interesting to see what a better candidate might have achieved. Hey ho, ancient history now, but the lesson is there for the future: less top down 'we know best and more listening to the electorate (not just the Labour left). |
You’ve literally repeated the narrative back to me verbatim. But it’s high on faith, very low on facts.
And the current Tory and Labour parties are entirely top down. You just believe them when they say they are listening to the electorate. When in actual fact they’ve just moved the battleground from one set of marginals (middle class, middle England) to the next (Red Wall and the dregs of UKIP/Brexit party).
Corbyn and others of his ilk are far more documented as listening to the whole electorate and their problems. Rather than donors, their own self-interest or narrow slices of the electorate over often entirely manufactured issues instead of the problems and divisions they as politicians have created for UK citizens themselves. | |
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| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:52 - Mar 12 with 340 views | noggin |
| Greetings from the Political Void on 12:31 - Mar 12 by giant_stow |
No lying Mr. Just an honestly held opinion born out by the bare facts of electoral results. Everything was setup for him to succeed the movement was there behind him, but it led to one of worst defeats ever. What you call the full machine been cranked up, was because it was an easy and obvious thing to do against a man with so much baggage and so many personality flaws. Like I say, it's a shame for the Labour left that their loyalty was so misplaced - it would have been interesting to see what a better candidate might have achieved. Hey ho, ancient history now, but the lesson is there for the future: less top down 'we know best and more listening to the electorate (not just the Labour left). |
"more listening to the electorate (not just the Labour left)."
Therein lies the problem. A large part of the electorate are brainwashed by the right wing media, as clearly highlighted by 'your views'. | |
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