| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) 10:40 - Jun 11 with 4656 views | unstableblue |
Whilst I do have a few misgivings about Ashtons style / history, and I was concerned on the 99% derision from Bristol fans when he arrived - he has been what Ipswich needed, having been bereft of any CEO or leadership bar the hapless Clegg and Milne, and lite touch Marcus. There has been progress on and off the pitch. With stadia, match day and manager seeming to be on track.
Having said all that, this is the key season, Ashton has put in a very promising manager, funded him, and we’re playing some of the best football since Royle and in part Magilton. Which the insane attendances prove. But it’s League One, and we need to get out, and we need to see benefit from the plethora of football analyst, performance - Rolls and Probert need to earn their corn.
BUT, it does fascinate just how much the Bristol City fans hold a grudge to Ashton, see below their forum on signing their new defender from Forest Green, Kane Wilson (one of their best players, and EFL team of year). Ashton is in a very very different set-up with the football savvy Chairman, ownership group, intelligent/upcoming manager.
Also the below is incorrect as I can’t remember Ashton being visible in any of our recent signings?!
“Just be thankful the only interviews we’re hearing are from the players and not w@nky sound bites from a jumped up CEO.
--- Ain’t that the truth. Each signing so far has been about the player. How it should be. Pearson, Gould and whoever else is involved, know it’s not about them, and / or aren’t insecure enough to need to make it about them. Refreshing" |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 19:44 - Jun 12 with 693 views | patrickswell |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:05 - Jun 11 by Illinoisblue |
There is a lot of truth in this. Recall when we beat an awful Gillingham away and fans smugly talking about McKennaball and why did Utd let him go. Yet there we were failing in L1 again, not even sniffing the playoffs again.
Much work to do |
41 points gained from one half of a season under McKennaball - just a damn shame that he inherited a situation where the previous manager had let a pretty relentless top 6/7 have a 7 point start by the time he left, an advantage they never relinquished.
Much work to do, but at least unlike under Lambert going into 2019/20 or Cook last season, we've seen some tangible signs of what can be achieved rather than "He gets it" vibes or a demolition man who repeats the same mistakes with two separate squads. |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 20:44 - Jun 12 with 644 views | Swansea_Blue |
I can see where they’re coming from. In his last year Ashton oversaw loading them with about £40m of debt. Or half of what Evans managed here in 13 years. That’s left them right in the crap. We can’t gloat over that until we see how our finances pan out for the first 2-3 years under Gamechanger.
On the plus side he’s left City with vastly improved facilities. And they were knocking on the door of playoffs for a little while. All come to nothing though and they’re now in the same sort of position as we were when we broke up the team to pay for the Pioneer stand. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 23:18 - Jun 12 with 582 views | Churchman |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 20:44 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I can see where they’re coming from. In his last year Ashton oversaw loading them with about £40m of debt. Or half of what Evans managed here in 13 years. That’s left them right in the crap. We can’t gloat over that until we see how our finances pan out for the first 2-3 years under Gamechanger.
On the plus side he’s left City with vastly improved facilities. And they were knocking on the door of playoffs for a little while. All come to nothing though and they’re now in the same sort of position as we were when we broke up the team to pay for the Pioneer stand. |
Not really a true debt is it? They are owned by Lansdown of Hargreaves’s Lansdown who is worth a few pounds and has invested in other sporting enterprises in the area too.
Are we saying that Ashton hosed £40m of Lansdown’s money up the wall without his sanction and/or knowledge? Did the owners have no board meetings, finance director or involvement with the money side? Or are we saying that Ashton just mugged him off? If Ashton ‘loaded them with £40m debt’, how come he wasn’t fired? My understanding was that he resigned to come here.
I may well come to hate Ashton as much as some of the oddities at Bristol, but I’ll wait until he does something wrong here to deserve it. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 8:52]
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:49 - Jun 13 with 456 views | BonneNIL |
We would say the same to Huddersfield fans about Marcus Evans though, you can't choose to just sweep others' views under the carpet just to suit an everything is awesome narrative.
We failed spectacularly last season, Cook paid the price, if we fail again, we can't hide behind another managerial shield, it has to be the setup as well, and I will be critical of Ashton and demand better if we manage anything worse than 5th. I don't care about dugouts, scoreboards, and feel-good stories, I care about points on the board and actual progress, not fairytales.
The biggest question for me is why it took so long for Walton/Morsy to be signed and why we decided to start the season with a 4th tier goalkeeper and no captain? That damaged our entire season and someone signed that off. I genuinely think had they arrived on time we'd have seen out most of those early games and made the Playoffs with Cook. It was that delay that derailed the whole thing.
Ashton has to get us up or he has to be accountable for the failure. It's that simple. |  |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:51 - Jun 13 with 451 views | BonneNIL |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 20:44 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I can see where they’re coming from. In his last year Ashton oversaw loading them with about £40m of debt. Or half of what Evans managed here in 13 years. That’s left them right in the crap. We can’t gloat over that until we see how our finances pan out for the first 2-3 years under Gamechanger.
On the plus side he’s left City with vastly improved facilities. And they were knocking on the door of playoffs for a little while. All come to nothing though and they’re now in the same sort of position as we were when we broke up the team to pay for the Pioneer stand. |
We've already lost a ton of money under Gamechanger, my worry is how long will they want to fund those losses? League One is no walk in the park. | |
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| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:03 - Jun 13 with 443 views | timothyeo |
Ashton, like the fans, gave PC too much time. He has to take some responsibilty for that.
Equally, if we don't get promoted next season there'll be similar posts from our fans about him. |  | | |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 12:39 - Jun 13 with 403 views | Churchman |
| Bristol City fan's negative obsession with Ashton continues (incorrectly) on 11:49 - Jun 13 by BonneNIL |
We would say the same to Huddersfield fans about Marcus Evans though, you can't choose to just sweep others' views under the carpet just to suit an everything is awesome narrative.
We failed spectacularly last season, Cook paid the price, if we fail again, we can't hide behind another managerial shield, it has to be the setup as well, and I will be critical of Ashton and demand better if we manage anything worse than 5th. I don't care about dugouts, scoreboards, and feel-good stories, I care about points on the board and actual progress, not fairytales.
The biggest question for me is why it took so long for Walton/Morsy to be signed and why we decided to start the season with a 4th tier goalkeeper and no captain? That damaged our entire season and someone signed that off. I genuinely think had they arrived on time we'd have seen out most of those early games and made the Playoffs with Cook. It was that delay that derailed the whole thing.
Ashton has to get us up or he has to be accountable for the failure. It's that simple. |
Ashton started on 1st June 2021. He started with a manager, appointed by the previous owners, who had decided in wrecking ball management. The owners, Chairman had a choice of firing Cook last day of the season. They decided to give him a chance. Ashton, when he started went with that because by 1st June and half the players heading for the exit he had little choice.
I don’t think he or the board did too much wrong at the time. Cook deserved a chance, but it would have been better if he’d never been appointed or kicked out a month earlier.
It’s been made clear how hard it is to sign players sometimes. Better to sign Walton and Morsy when they did than listen to a load of guff by Clegg and co and welcome a journeyman or pension topper upper.
No you cannot sweep others views under the carpet. Nor can you be beholding to them. You have to find out for yourself. I’ve worked for three people who had a terrible reputation. They were all fine to work for. Demanding, hard work, challenging, but damn good. Sometimes people spew the bile on others because of jealousy, couldn’t cut it themselves or because they are just different people.
I do care about dugouts and stuff. Evans cared not a jot about infrastructure and what were we left with? A club heading for oblivion. The structure of the club, it’s ground, community stuff etc is crucial for its future. Get it right and the club will grow regardless of how long KM or MA stays, and progress up the leagues. [Post edited 13 Jun 2022 12:41]
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