| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:47 - Jun 11 with 2643 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So let's get this straight. Cameron tells Corbyn he needs to buy himself a decent suit and smarten up his image to be taken seriously but Boris is more popular than Starmer?
Isn't it indicative of the electorate's general acceptance of persistent lying, repeated law-breaking and general incompetence as long as it isn't Labour?
The ability of the media to manipulate image and the electorate means there is a massive battle for the Government to be actually held to account. |  |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:51 - Jun 11 with 2618 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:47 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So let's get this straight. Cameron tells Corbyn he needs to buy himself a decent suit and smarten up his image to be taken seriously but Boris is more popular than Starmer?
Isn't it indicative of the electorate's general acceptance of persistent lying, repeated law-breaking and general incompetence as long as it isn't Labour?
The ability of the media to manipulate image and the electorate means there is a massive battle for the Government to be actually held to account. |
I think what you are trying to say is that we are f#cked! Can we blame the Russians? |  |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:53 - Jun 11 with 2618 views | gtsb1966 |
Labour won't win the next election under Starmer. I've been consistent over his non appeal. Labour should be absolutely wiping the floor with the Tories and their awful governance but they are not. Unless the Labour Party wake up and appoint a new leader this awful government will get another 5 years. Yes it's about what a party would do in government and most of us know that but those crucial votes come from the average man and woman in the street and if they don't like the leader they won't vote for the party. I hope I'm wrong but sadly I think Labour with Starmer is another tory victory.P.s...Ive nothing against Starmer and would vote Labour tomorrow.
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:04 - Jun 11 with 2539 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:53 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
Labour won't win the next election under Starmer. I've been consistent over his non appeal. Labour should be absolutely wiping the floor with the Tories and their awful governance but they are not. Unless the Labour Party wake up and appoint a new leader this awful government will get another 5 years. Yes it's about what a party would do in government and most of us know that but those crucial votes come from the average man and woman in the street and if they don't like the leader they won't vote for the party. I hope I'm wrong but sadly I think Labour with Starmer is another tory victory.P.s...Ive nothing against Starmer and would vote Labour tomorrow.
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Labour have been a complete joke for well over a decade. For how bad the Tory’s have been in recent years Labour and their identity crisis have literally offered no viable alternative. You can sense the hatred seething through the keyboards on here when it comes to the Conservatives. Maybe that energy would be better spent analyzing what’s wrong with the so called opposition. |  | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:08 - Jun 11 with 2518 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:04 - Jun 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Labour have been a complete joke for well over a decade. For how bad the Tory’s have been in recent years Labour and their identity crisis have literally offered no viable alternative. You can sense the hatred seething through the keyboards on here when it comes to the Conservatives. Maybe that energy would be better spent analyzing what’s wrong with the so called opposition. |
Is the answer that they aren't corrupt, racist, homophobic and bigoted enough for the electorate?
Or that the vote to the centre and left gets split between 3 fairly big parties while the Conservatives happily absorb the BNP, Brexit Party, etc? | |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:11 - Jun 11 with 2498 views | Wacko |
Basically, everyone pretends to hate the privileged but secretly wants to be them and / or vote for them |  |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:12 - Jun 11 with 2492 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:08 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is the answer that they aren't corrupt, racist, homophobic and bigoted enough for the electorate?
Or that the vote to the centre and left gets split between 3 fairly big parties while the Conservatives happily absorb the BNP, Brexit Party, etc? |
Keep telling yourself that. It’s the scumbag racist electorate or the lib Dem and Green parties fault, it will make you sleep better I’m sure. | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:27 - Jun 11 with 2458 views | gtsb1966 |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:08 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is the answer that they aren't corrupt, racist, homophobic and bigoted enough for the electorate?
Or that the vote to the centre and left gets split between 3 fairly big parties while the Conservatives happily absorb the BNP, Brexit Party, etc? |
The answer is that the leader doesn't resonate with the electorate. That is the sad reality. | | | |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:38 - Jun 11 with 2407 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:27 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
The answer is that the leader doesn't resonate with the electorate. That is the sad reality. |
Joey Essex for leader!
Ps....I agree.....he's really, really bad. Vacuous in fact. | |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:47 - Jun 11 with 2364 views | WeWereZombies |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:27 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
The answer is that the leader doesn't resonate with the electorate. That is the sad reality. |
At the moment I don't want a leader that resonates. I just want someone who is boring as feck and who will sit down and slog through the utter fecking mess that has been created by methodically plodding on for years and years and years. If it means we hardly notice they are there then so much the better so long as the job gets done. |  |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:48 - Jun 11 with 2358 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:47 - Jun 11 by WeWereZombies |
At the moment I don't want a leader that resonates. I just want someone who is boring as feck and who will sit down and slog through the utter fecking mess that has been created by methodically plodding on for years and years and years. If it means we hardly notice they are there then so much the better so long as the job gets done. |
Is what they said about Biden. | |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:51 - Jun 11 with 2345 views | WeWereZombies |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:48 - Jun 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is what they said about Biden. |
C'mon - Biden is a bit past the slogging on year after year phase. And a little too fond of attention as well. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 22:00]
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:33 - Jun 11 with 2248 views | gtsb1966 |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:47 - Jun 11 by WeWereZombies |
At the moment I don't want a leader that resonates. I just want someone who is boring as feck and who will sit down and slog through the utter fecking mess that has been created by methodically plodding on for years and years and years. If it means we hardly notice they are there then so much the better so long as the job gets done. |
I'm with you on that 100%. Sadly our electorate see the face of the party as their vote. | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:39 - Jun 11 with 2235 views | gtsb1966 |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:53 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
Labour won't win the next election under Starmer. I've been consistent over his non appeal. Labour should be absolutely wiping the floor with the Tories and their awful governance but they are not. Unless the Labour Party wake up and appoint a new leader this awful government will get another 5 years. Yes it's about what a party would do in government and most of us know that but those crucial votes come from the average man and woman in the street and if they don't like the leader they won't vote for the party. I hope I'm wrong but sadly I think Labour with Starmer is another tory victory.P.s...Ive nothing against Starmer and would vote Labour tomorrow.
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So ZXBlue....the reason I'm wrong is.... | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:42 - Jun 11 with 2220 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:27 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
The answer is that the leader doesn't resonate with the electorate. That is the sad reality. |
Corbyn did but was unelectable. Milliband ate a bacon sandwich wrong.
This politics of charisma is every bit a large part of what is wrong with politics in this country. | |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:48 - Jun 11 with 2199 views | gtsb1966 |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:42 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Corbyn did but was unelectable. Milliband ate a bacon sandwich wrong.
This politics of charisma is every bit a large part of what is wrong with politics in this country. |
But if Andy Burnham was appointed Labour leader tomorrow they would win by a landslide even with the same shadow cabinet. | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 23:38 - Jun 11 with 2075 views | HARRY10 |
I would take that poll with a huge pinch of salt, as it runs well outside of what has been the current average, for some months ago.
Previously predicting the final league placings was based on what had happened since January, not one weeks results.
If a single poll is indicative, then the current Wakefield voting intentions would have the Tories finishing (nationally) on either 34 or 67 seats. However, that is one poll in a certain constituency, which will not happen nationwide.
What is the trend since Dec 2019, is for the two main parties to slowly diverge to a point where the lead hovers between 8-10 points.
people are also forgetting that previously Labour picked up around 35 extra seats in Scotland. Were that now to be true it would show Labour comfortably winning a majority.
Unfortunately as with the Tories since the year dot,(the Libdems in 2010) they face a party which is quite happy to lie through, their teeth with no intention of (or the ability to) delivering on those promises.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/latest-opinion-polls/ | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 23:49 - Jun 11 with 2055 views | gtsb1966 |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 23:38 - Jun 11 by HARRY10 |
I would take that poll with a huge pinch of salt, as it runs well outside of what has been the current average, for some months ago.
Previously predicting the final league placings was based on what had happened since January, not one weeks results.
If a single poll is indicative, then the current Wakefield voting intentions would have the Tories finishing (nationally) on either 34 or 67 seats. However, that is one poll in a certain constituency, which will not happen nationwide.
What is the trend since Dec 2019, is for the two main parties to slowly diverge to a point where the lead hovers between 8-10 points.
people are also forgetting that previously Labour picked up around 35 extra seats in Scotland. Were that now to be true it would show Labour comfortably winning a majority.
Unfortunately as with the Tories since the year dot,(the Libdems in 2010) they face a party which is quite happy to lie through, their teeth with no intention of (or the ability to) delivering on those promises.
https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/latest-opinion-polls/ |
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/m
Labour should be out of sight.. but they're not unfortunately [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 23:51]
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 23:59 - Jun 11 with 2014 views | lowhouseblue |
it's almost as if this site isn't typical of opinion nationally. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 00:25 - Jun 12 with 1998 views | BigCommon |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 20:47 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So let's get this straight. Cameron tells Corbyn he needs to buy himself a decent suit and smarten up his image to be taken seriously but Boris is more popular than Starmer?
Isn't it indicative of the electorate's general acceptance of persistent lying, repeated law-breaking and general incompetence as long as it isn't Labour?
The ability of the media to manipulate image and the electorate means there is a massive battle for the Government to be actually held to account. |
Starmer is weak. He looked visibly shaken , last week , after Boris' vote of confidence result. Doesn't really come across as a "leader of men", type, imo....
Dianne Abbot, belongs on a ward... |  | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 00:41 - Jun 12 with 1976 views | XYZ |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 21:12 - Jun 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Keep telling yourself that. It’s the scumbag racist electorate or the lib Dem and Green parties fault, it will make you sleep better I’m sure. |
You can get 5/1 on your ex-pat tories holding the watch-porn-at-work bloke's seat in Devon.
Pile on. Don't forget to post the evidence of your confidence. | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 00:54 - Jun 12 with 1965 views | jeera |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 22:48 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
But if Andy Burnham was appointed Labour leader tomorrow they would win by a landslide even with the same shadow cabinet. |
Until sections of the media set upon him. |  |
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| Well this is pretty bad... on 07:54 - Jun 12 with 1742 views | HARRY10 |
You've posted up ........................ betting odds as evidence ! ! ! | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 09:38 - Jun 12 with 1589 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 07:54 - Jun 12 by HARRY10 |
You've posted up ........................ betting odds as evidence ! ! ! |
Betting odds are a far better guide than polls, always have been. Ever seen a poor bookie! | | | |
| Well this is pretty bad... on 09:43 - Jun 12 with 1571 views | fab_lover |
...or is it ?
FPTP is pretty much the worst voting system we could have. It's anachronistic, it's only us and the USA who have it.
I think the Lib Dems have learnt from the last time they were in a coalition. A hung parliament with Labour having to take on board Lib Dem demands for electoral reform is the best chance this country has of escaping from the "your turn, my turn" two party system that is holding us back.
With electoral reform and PR, we might actually get the sort of centrist governments that have been so good for mainland Europe. Without PR we will continue to swing between various forms of Tory government, even if it's differently branded. |  | | |
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