| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... 10:21 - Jun 21 with 8089 views | itfcjoe |
....trans women from competing in women's events.
It is now expected that World Athletics will follow in doing so as well ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/61865789 )
I'm not sure what the FIFA position is, but they released conflicting statements about it previously.
It does seem that the tide is turning back towards fairness in women's sports rather than inclusivity, which I personally think is right - it is impossible to square that circle of inclusivity and fairness without just destroying women's sports
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| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... on 17:44 - Jun 22 with 427 views | NorthLondonBlue2 |
A delicate issue, for sure, but how is this different from banning Afro-Carribean athletes from sprint races?
They have an inherent, physiological advantage over Caucasians who barely get a look in at the most high-profile races (!) e.g. 100 and 200m. When was the last time a gold medal was won in the 100m Olympic final by someone who was not black?
To be very clear, I'm not arguing for racial discrimination, but the trans issue is framed on physiology, not just testosterone levels. And if that criterion is applied, there are other arguable consequences as I have outlined. |  | | |
| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... on 18:02 - Jun 22 with 391 views | lowhouseblue |
| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... on 17:42 - Jun 22 by DanTheMan |
That seems to be discussing a very different issue. Not saying it's not relevant, but that's to do with a chromosome syndrome as opposed to the thread talking about what those chromosomes in human beings actually control. |
it's making the point that chromosomal variation doesn't equate in any simple way with physically observable differences. so chromosomal differences aren't, in the vast majority of cases, inconsistent with there being two sexes. that's why your tweeter says he doesn't raise it with his students - those with chromosomal differences are very unlikely to be aware of any practical effect. |  |
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| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... on 18:52 - Jun 22 with 363 views | DanTheMan |
| The International Swimming Organisation has banned.... on 18:02 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
it's making the point that chromosomal variation doesn't equate in any simple way with physically observable differences. so chromosomal differences aren't, in the vast majority of cases, inconsistent with there being two sexes. that's why your tweeter says he doesn't raise it with his students - those with chromosomal differences are very unlikely to be aware of any practical effect. |
Not just physically observable but even hormonally crucially, which has been discussed in this thread at length.
Whereas your linked article (which amusingly seems to have once had a very antagonistic headline that has been changed) is talking about one specific syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome which as far as I can tell isn't even discussed in the thread I linked. It also then goes onto talking about what the definition of sex is even though trans issues tend to be about gender.
Overall though my point is that it's really not as simple as it's being made out by a lot of people. |  |
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