| For you older people 10:27 - Jul 7 with 751 views | SitfcB |
Has politics always been this much of a sh!tshow when it comes to stuff like this or is this the worst ever?
I suppose these days everything is enhanced due to social media and the rolling news channels, I guess back in the day you hardly heard about anything happening like you do now. |  |
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| For you older people on 10:33 - Jul 7 with 698 views | STYG |
In a nutshell, years ago Politicians used to often be self-interested, liars, willing to screw over their own grandmother to line their own pockets, but they were held to account a bit by the media and pretended to actually care about the common man.
Whilst now, they are pretty much the same people, but don't pretend anymore to care about anyone other than the elite, whilst social media allows them to appeal to the worst people in society to act as an echo chamber.
You get some decent people in politics still, but lower down, because the whole system is so corrupt, it's hard to get anywhere if you've got any decency about you. A few of the high profile Labour politicians seem to genuinely be decent people and from working class backgrounds too and seem to want to look after everyone rather than the rich.
But when the rich vote Tory and the rich control the media, it's even easier with social media and so on now to control enough of the voters with complete rubbish (like what was written on the side of that bus) to win enough votes to keep it going.
What politics probably needed sadly was this utter mess. Which comes at the cost of all of us suffering, some abysmally, but enough hurt to likely cause a massive change in direction.
The one thing I will say for past regimes is that they allowed the rich to get richer but allowed the rest of us to just about get by. This lot have been happy to let the rich get even richer and to hell which hard working people can no longer afford to feed their kids. |  | | |
| For you older people on 10:35 - Jul 7 with 675 views | baxterbasics |
You make a good point that everything is almost instantly public thanks to the level of media exposure - both social and traditional.
Blairs government got pretty dysfunctional towards the end with whole departments not communicating with each other (team Blair Vs team Brown) but that was still largely kept behind the scenes, like one of those secrets that everybody actually knows. |  |
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| For you older people on 10:41 - Jul 7 with 642 views | Steve_M |
No. The Major government (92-95) was something of a sh1tshow, but a slow burning one. The collapse of the ERM, when chancellor Norman Lamont threw money at a losing cause and 'Back to Basics' an attempt at commo decency undermined by a series of sex scandals and the corruption of Hamilton, Archer and Aitken.
This is like that on speed, but also Brexit has blown apart British politics but the Tory Party in particular. Kicking out the more sensible and rational MPs and replacing them with the 2019 cohort of imbeciles (see Labour's 2017 intake here too) and then Johnson's personal lack of shame has lead to this cabinet of mediocrities - Dorries, JRM, Patel, Raab Braverman - and a complete absence of personal and collective responsibility. |  |
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| For you older people on 10:45 - Jul 7 with 629 views | Keno |
| For you older people on 10:41 - Jul 7 by Steve_M |
No. The Major government (92-95) was something of a sh1tshow, but a slow burning one. The collapse of the ERM, when chancellor Norman Lamont threw money at a losing cause and 'Back to Basics' an attempt at commo decency undermined by a series of sex scandals and the corruption of Hamilton, Archer and Aitken.
This is like that on speed, but also Brexit has blown apart British politics but the Tory Party in particular. Kicking out the more sensible and rational MPs and replacing them with the 2019 cohort of imbeciles (see Labour's 2017 intake here too) and then Johnson's personal lack of shame has lead to this cabinet of mediocrities - Dorries, JRM, Patel, Raab Braverman - and a complete absence of personal and collective responsibility. |
The deep sheep speech that did for Maggie was probably the most dramatic moment I can remember |  |
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| For you older people on 10:53 - Jul 7 with 592 views | Oldsmoker |
This is No 1 worst ever.
Can't see how it will ever be out grossed. |  |
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| For you older people on 10:56 - Jul 7 with 584 views | Steve_M |
| For you older people on 10:45 - Jul 7 by Keno |
The deep sheep speech that did for Maggie was probably the most dramatic moment I can remember |
Lawson went first, and then Howe a bit later if I remember correctly.
The back end of the Thatcher years was pretty messy too, as she lost the plot with increasing rapidity and the Tory Party started to tear itself apart over Europe. | |
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| For you older people on 10:57 - Jul 7 with 573 views | homer_123 |
| For you older people on 10:56 - Jul 7 by Steve_M |
Lawson went first, and then Howe a bit later if I remember correctly.
The back end of the Thatcher years was pretty messy too, as she lost the plot with increasing rapidity and the Tory Party started to tear itself apart over Europe. |
"...and the Tory Party started to tear itself apart over Europe."
Not for the first time or the last. |  |
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| For you older people on 10:58 - Jul 7 with 563 views | Keno |
| For you older people on 10:56 - Jul 7 by Steve_M |
Lawson went first, and then Howe a bit later if I remember correctly.
The back end of the Thatcher years was pretty messy too, as she lost the plot with increasing rapidity and the Tory Party started to tear itself apart over Europe. |
yes, think you are right but Howe really put the boot in
Yes that was messy and seemed to drag on and on and on | |
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| For you older people on 11:00 - Jul 7 with 550 views | solemio |
| For you older people on 10:33 - Jul 7 by STYG |
In a nutshell, years ago Politicians used to often be self-interested, liars, willing to screw over their own grandmother to line their own pockets, but they were held to account a bit by the media and pretended to actually care about the common man.
Whilst now, they are pretty much the same people, but don't pretend anymore to care about anyone other than the elite, whilst social media allows them to appeal to the worst people in society to act as an echo chamber.
You get some decent people in politics still, but lower down, because the whole system is so corrupt, it's hard to get anywhere if you've got any decency about you. A few of the high profile Labour politicians seem to genuinely be decent people and from working class backgrounds too and seem to want to look after everyone rather than the rich.
But when the rich vote Tory and the rich control the media, it's even easier with social media and so on now to control enough of the voters with complete rubbish (like what was written on the side of that bus) to win enough votes to keep it going.
What politics probably needed sadly was this utter mess. Which comes at the cost of all of us suffering, some abysmally, but enough hurt to likely cause a massive change in direction.
The one thing I will say for past regimes is that they allowed the rich to get richer but allowed the rest of us to just about get by. This lot have been happy to let the rich get even richer and to hell which hard working people can no longer afford to feed their kids. |
Going back a long way in my lifetime, Harold Macmillan had served in the trenches in WW1 with ordinary blokes and thus really did seem to care about working class people when he was PM. I speak as someone who has never voted Tory. | | | |
| For you older people on 11:09 - Jul 7 with 526 views | Steve_M |
| For you older people on 10:57 - Jul 7 by homer_123 |
"...and the Tory Party started to tear itself apart over Europe."
Not for the first time or the last. |
Indeed, Cameron only got to be Prime Minister in 2010 by persuading them to shut up about it for a bit. It was always going to come back and be a problem, But I don't think anyone could have expected them to transfer their divisions and fantasies onto the entire country. | |
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| For you older people on 11:13 - Jul 7 with 510 views | jaykay |
yes its the worst ever. there are so many crooked things this so called p.m. has done , no one can keep up with him.
some of the top of my head.
tried to get the head of the 1922 committee changed for his benefit
tried to change the law so a mate wouldn't be sacked.
tried to prorogue parliament.
gave his lovers contracts
lied to everyone. then got people to lie for him
partied while we were in lockdown
at least thacher and may went with dignity
like i heard yesterday the head of the 1922 committee usually calls with a glass of a whisky and a gun when a prime minster time is up, but wouldn't be surprised if boris drunk the whisky then shot the chairman of said committee |  |
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| For you older people on 11:15 - Jul 7 with 497 views | STYG |
| For you older people on 11:00 - Jul 7 by solemio |
Going back a long way in my lifetime, Harold Macmillan had served in the trenches in WW1 with ordinary blokes and thus really did seem to care about working class people when he was PM. I speak as someone who has never voted Tory. |
I remember there being quite a few Tories in the 70's and 80's that had either made good from working class families or had served in the military alongside regular people.
But the Tories now seem so insulated against normal people. Even Braverman was born to parents from Africa and Asia I think who had modest jobs and were hardworking people but she got a part scholarship to an elite school and now seems to look down on the sort of people that do what her parents did.
Proper pulling the ladder up sorts. When you look at her, Sunak, Javid, Zawahi, Patel (even Johnson's previous mother-in-law was Indian I think) these are all people that come from parents or grandparents that were immigrants, some of whom had very little here and they couldn't seem any more keener to stop people from following the same route that allowed their parents and then themselves to have a better life.
It makes it even worse for me than if it were a load of Eton educated gammon who didn't understand, but these Tories all have real life experiences of the hate and prejudice and struggles their parents or grandparents went through and actively push others into the same suffering. | | | |
| For you older people on 12:01 - Jul 7 with 452 views | Churchman |
This is the worst ever. It’s the most divisive stupid time I’ve ever known. Here we are two years after a pandemic started, economy wrecked, the biggest madman building an empire in Europe since Stalin and Hitler and what are we doing?
We have a country tearing itself apart. Elements turning on each other and our neighbours. We have had a government sustained by bogus, failed ideologies led by a Boris Johnson - until now. There is no idea how the function of government can move forward at the moment. Everything is on hold, which doesn’t help anybody. They don’t even know how to transition power. They don’t know how to exercise it either.
The adherence to mad ideology is exemplified by an interview with David Davies this morning. Basically his view is that Brexit would have worked had it been implemented properly - I.e. no deal, clean break. The ideology of the far right schoolboy empire yearners. Utter rubbish. It’s already proven to be twaddle, but they just double down. It’s what people do with extreme views.
I hope we can return to sanity soon. [Post edited 7 Jul 2022 12:14]
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