| Starmer on 16:59 - Jan 30 with 862 views | BlueBadger |
| Starmer on 15:43 - Jan 30 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ public finances are poor (largely thanks to COVID, with some help from the Ukraine war) l”
I think you are also ignoring a rather large elephant…. |
A very white one? |  |
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| Starmer on 17:04 - Jan 30 with 837 views | Radlett_blue |
| Starmer on 12:19 - Jan 30 by Ryorry |
I think the 'Blairites' have moved on tbh, esp in the light of his WoMD disaster.
Not aware of any supporting polls, but I suspect a majority of centre-lefties would, like myself, embrace Burnham with open arms. He's already shown his ability, his competence & just the right level of passion to get people enthused & believing in his leadership without appearing too "scarily radical". He might not appeal to moderate former Tory voters tho, which is where Starmer's aiming amongst others. The danger as I see it is that in trying to appeal to all, Starmer will end up falling between several stools & appealing to none.
Whilst Burnham would be my first choice on the grounds of now having a track record of competency in a big role, Angela Rayner would imho be an excellent alternative - my second choice. |
Your post largely made sense to me until you mentioned what a good alternative Angela Rayner might be! |  |
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| Starmer on 17:23 - Jan 30 with 810 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer on 17:04 - Jan 30 by Radlett_blue |
Your post largely made sense to me until you mentioned what a good alternative Angela Rayner might be! |
I didn’t get past the idea that the “Blairites have moved on” – when they’re the ones now with a stranglehold on the party.
Quite bizarre. |  |
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| Starmer on 17:30 - Jan 30 with 789 views | HARRY10 |
| Starmer on 15:38 - Jan 30 by Radlett_blue |
The problem with radical reform is that it is usually very expensive in the short term & we are in a situation when public finances are poor (largely thanks to COVID, with some help from the Ukraine war) & the tax burden is the highest it has been for a long term. No sane leader of the opposition is going to commit to a huge tax & spend programme. |
Whereas the 1945 Labour government did. It recognised, as did the electorate, that drastic action needed to be taken to counter years of Tory mismanagement through the 1930s.
A feeling for the mood of post war voters can probably be summed up in these two stories
In one of Spike Milligans books him and a couple of others were a few mile from camp, trying to recover a vehicle when they saw truck approaching, which turned out to be one with their lunch. The Scot among them stated that he had lived beside the Clyde, seen boats bringing in food from the empire and yet him and many others were almost permanently hungry. Yet here they were, miles from anywhere or anyone and he gets fed regularly
A chap part of a tank crewe in Normandy 1944 commenting on the destruction wondered why if so much money could be spent on destroying housing, why could it not be spent on building stuff. Having seen what could be achieved in wartime, voters were not prepared to 'go back to the old ways'. f
For health see pre NHS and present NHS under the Tories. Squalid housing that is making tenants ill, costing billions and lining the pockets of private landlors (1930s). The Dock Labour Scheme which present day zero hours contracts equate to.
Through cuts, lack of investment and allowing so much to be creamed off by shareholders and executives we are seeing society creaking and snapping in some places.
It is not a case of can we afford to, but can we afford not to. |  | | |
| Starmer on 18:03 - Jan 30 with 762 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer on 10:56 - Jan 30 by DJR |
Burnham is probably a bit too radical for the Blairites. Their dream would be David Miliband, who does not appear to have ruled out returning. He is someone who fits their mould and probably does have the presence and personality to sell a pup. [Post edited 30 Jan 2023 11:04]
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David Milliband would smile at you while killing your pup behind his back. |  |
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| Starmer on 19:36 - Jan 30 with 717 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer on 17:23 - Jan 30 by Darth_Koont |
I didn’t get past the idea that the “Blairites have moved on” – when they’re the ones now with a stranglehold on the party.
Quite bizarre. |
The only bizarre thing is you failing to realise that you become less credible every time you reapeat your ludicrous claim of Starmer being just like Johnson, |  |
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| Starmer on 09:10 - Jan 31 with 582 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer on 19:36 - Jan 30 by Ryorry |
The only bizarre thing is you failing to realise that you become less credible every time you reapeat your ludicrous claim of Starmer being just like Johnson, |
I’d worry more about your own credibility. You demonstrate here that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
You think it’s a ludicrous claim. So what? See above. | |
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| Starmer on 18:40 - Jan 31 with 473 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Starmer on 10:11 - Jan 30 by DJR |
I think that's right, and he doesn't have Blair's personality, so I could see people losing faith with him very quickly. |
Not having Blair’s personality is an absolute vote winner! | | | |
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