| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 18:14 - Feb 10 with 461 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 16:28 - Feb 10 by HARRY10 |
As with brexiters, what do you refer to them as ? Whatever language you use it amounts to the same.
Theirs is not a considered thought,as with those who actually deal with such matters. It is a belief borne out of ignorance and a blind refusal ti engage.
The real patronising stuff is from those who think that you can hold a view about someone, but can win them over with nice language .........though reasoned argument has failed.
"I used to be a racist, but as you no longer say that I a bigot, I now realise racism is wrong"
Another absurd bleat out of the rightie playbook ie it is the normal folk who are wrong for the views held by righties. Yes, I am sure my no longer refering to thick people as thick will change their minds over brexit.
Take Lie Andersons sh yte about returning migrants back to France. I have yet to read where anyone is pointing out that as NO country can be made to take people from another country, then what he is saying is a lie.
Tell me how many of those who agree with his claim know this, or bothered to find out. And what would be their likely response ?
"Because you politely pointed this out, I now realise Lie Anderson was lying " yep, thats going to happen  |
For somebody who makes spelling mistake after spelling mistake in their daily rants, you are the last person on here who should be calling anyone ‘thick’. |  |
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| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 07:55 - Feb 11 with 346 views | Churchman |
| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 12:02 - Feb 10 by DJR |
Interesting that the Atlee government achieved what it did on the basis of "uncosted" spending plans but this in turn led to growth which saw a dramatic fall in the debt to GDP ratio.
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/11697/debt/post-war-boom/
Had Atlee followed the Tory approach since 2010, it would have been austerity, austerity, austerity, and look where that has got us.
Instead, Atlee followed the Keynsian principle that to create jobs and boost consumer buying power during a recession, governments should increase spending, even if it means going into debt. [Post edited 10 Feb 2023 12:21]
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The link was interesting. I think the article is a little light in emphasising how different the world was then and where this country sat within that.
The U.K. emerged from WW2 with one of the few intact western economies. It also had a captive market in its shrinking empire. Alongside this was the huge debt, largely to the USA (every last penny was paid back not so long ago) and infrastructure that was geared towards a wartime economy and completely worn out - for example the railways.
While the post war era brought a number of amazing things such as the creation of the welfare state, despite a post war boom, it failed to modernise in other key areas. Basically, it was a failure of investment in just about everything.
An example: How a vibrant shipbuilding industry was expected to survive using 19c techniques once competitors got their industry up and running, goodness only knows. In the U.K. the owners took the money and blamed failure on the workforce and today while we don’t make so much as a tugboat, defeated Italy makes cruise ships.
At wars end Britain had a significant advantage in jet technology and a large aviation industry (see the book Jets which is about Whittle, the investor of the modern jet engine). A failure to invest over many years means that the last of that will disappear soon.
By the 1970s, the once dominant British car industry was in desperate trouble. It took longer to deal with most of the faults on the new, laughable Austin Allegro than it did to build a German Volkswagen Golf. It used a 1950s A series engine that leaked. Japanese engines didn’t. When BL and others went down the pan, the workforce took the blame. It was never mentioned that a rubbish product was built over five sites using old machinery and techniques. Failure to invest.
Long term planning and investment is everything. In infrastructure, plant and people in my view. The tories in particular don’t believe in it. They never have and never will. Austerity as a policy is stupid. It is not the same as controlling spending. Tory austerity is tearing up, selling off, getting rid of ‘useless mouths’ (public sector). The fact that you leave nothing if you do this is still lost on them.
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| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 09:01 - Feb 11 with 307 views | DJR |
| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 07:55 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
The link was interesting. I think the article is a little light in emphasising how different the world was then and where this country sat within that.
The U.K. emerged from WW2 with one of the few intact western economies. It also had a captive market in its shrinking empire. Alongside this was the huge debt, largely to the USA (every last penny was paid back not so long ago) and infrastructure that was geared towards a wartime economy and completely worn out - for example the railways.
While the post war era brought a number of amazing things such as the creation of the welfare state, despite a post war boom, it failed to modernise in other key areas. Basically, it was a failure of investment in just about everything.
An example: How a vibrant shipbuilding industry was expected to survive using 19c techniques once competitors got their industry up and running, goodness only knows. In the U.K. the owners took the money and blamed failure on the workforce and today while we don’t make so much as a tugboat, defeated Italy makes cruise ships.
At wars end Britain had a significant advantage in jet technology and a large aviation industry (see the book Jets which is about Whittle, the investor of the modern jet engine). A failure to invest over many years means that the last of that will disappear soon.
By the 1970s, the once dominant British car industry was in desperate trouble. It took longer to deal with most of the faults on the new, laughable Austin Allegro than it did to build a German Volkswagen Golf. It used a 1950s A series engine that leaked. Japanese engines didn’t. When BL and others went down the pan, the workforce took the blame. It was never mentioned that a rubbish product was built over five sites using old machinery and techniques. Failure to invest.
Long term planning and investment is everything. In infrastructure, plant and people in my view. The tories in particular don’t believe in it. They never have and never will. Austerity as a policy is stupid. It is not the same as controlling spending. Tory austerity is tearing up, selling off, getting rid of ‘useless mouths’ (public sector). The fact that you leave nothing if you do this is still lost on them.
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And a very fair view.
Maybe we would have done better if our economy and infrastructure had suffered more in the war.
That was certainly the case with Germany. I studied their post-war industrial policy for one of my A levels, and can't remember all the details, but one thing I do remember is that they brought workers into the boardrooms which fostered much better industrial relations than in the UK.
The following offers a good explanation of what they did.
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/143663/economics/the-strength-of-the-german-e |  | | |
| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 09:43 - Feb 11 with 276 views | Churchman |
| 30p Lee is saying the quiet parts out loud again. on 09:01 - Feb 11 by DJR |
And a very fair view.
Maybe we would have done better if our economy and infrastructure had suffered more in the war.
That was certainly the case with Germany. I studied their post-war industrial policy for one of my A levels, and can't remember all the details, but one thing I do remember is that they brought workers into the boardrooms which fostered much better industrial relations than in the UK.
The following offers a good explanation of what they did.
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/143663/economics/the-strength-of-the-german-e |
Yes and know. Our industry did suffer during the war. Hard for it not to given it was the only country to engage in total war and one of only two (US being the other) to fight a World War. However that is to ignore the economic effects of WW1, the Depression and U.K. failure to invest at the end of the 19c.
There was nothing to stop us embracing new techniques and investing in new plant etc. we chose not to do so. There was no will. It was as if the country went to sleep after the exhaustion of two world wars. Germany and Japan had to start again. Maybe that’s the difference.
Germany and US were outpacing U.K. industrially by the Edwardian era. They were innovating (e.g. Ford production line techniques), while we were locked into master sweats the assets while the assets (workforce) sweats. We became outmoded. We seemed to learn very little post WW2. The same lame, incorrect arguments are still being trotted out, but our failure is as much political as industrial.
The article in the link is interesting thanks. A classic example of what happened in Germany was the fortunes of the Zeiss optics company. In 1945, half was in West Germany, Half in the East. They rolled along as separate companies until reunification, one using traditional methods, one innovating as the decades rolled by. Immediately after the Wall came down, the East Germany version was bankrupt. It couldn’t compete, like so many companies from that part of Germany. A classic example of what happens if you don’t invest.
In Japan, they invested in people as much as stuff, hence the development of Just In Time. It works because if you engage people everybody wins. On a different tangent, in Finland children at an early age are taught basic code. How sensible. It’s the basis of how computers work so very much the future. Why are we not doing that? Because our policy makers are muddle thinking, backwards and incompetent.
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