| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech 11:41 - Feb 15 with 2967 views | WeWereZombies |
Well, the snippets that are being posted on BBC News app (all that I can get here in Northern Chile.) I want the Union to remain but there was no getting away from the excellent job she did during the pandemic and this morning I feel we have lost a good politician. Not that I expect to hear nothing from her in future but, like Jacinta Arden, I think if she says her home life was suffering she meant it. Time for us all to realise that when decent people get into a position of power it is reasonable for us citizens to treat them decently. |  |
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 22:32 - Feb 15 with 675 views | Trequartista |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:21 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes, I said she was an excellent communicator during the pandemic. Then again, Hitler was an excellent communicator (no I’m nit comparing the two). But she did nothing any different to the Uk government and ended up with the highest rate of deaths in UK care homes.
So I won’t be shedding a tear over her based on her ability to talk. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 12:21]
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People looking for an issue when there isn't one again. Anyone can see here that you're using an extreme example to illustrate that being a great communicator doesn't mean you're a great person. You even bracketed a qualification for the avoidance of doubt. |  |
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 22:46 - Feb 15 with 643 views | TalkingBlues |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 13:00 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Nit having that at all. Sorry. You’re trying to make mischief where none exists.
I put in my op that I was not comparing the two people. Do you deny that Hitler was an excellent communicator? Yes or no? |
Oh my days, first you compare a politician to Hitler, then you praise him for his communication skills, all that’s left is to condone the messages he so excellently communicated (allegedly) I’m shocked and saddened by the highly distasteful and inappropriate comments you’ve made.
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:51 - Feb 16 with 520 views | MattinLondon |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:24 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Oh fcuk off. That you’ve taken a disagreement about football into the general board shows that you have no interest in reading the actual facts and are looking to point score. I want aware of you before last week, now yiu are over my posts like a rash. I smell a rat.
1. I did not Compare Nicola Sturgeon to Hitler. I said in my op that I was not comparing them as either people or politicians.
Zombie posted that Sturgeon was excellent politician because she was a great communicator. I used Hitler as an example of somebody who a great communicator but an awful politician and human being. The point being that being a great communicator does nit make one a great politician. There is no similarity between Sturgeon and Hitler in any capacity.
2. Praising Hitler? Read any book on the subject. Hitler was a great communicator. That is a statement of fact. Saying so is not “praising him”. Now I know you’re just trolling.
Are the BBC praising a Hitler? “ Hitler's charismatic and energised style helped the Nazi Party to be noticed and to gain votes. Hitler was a popular and effective public speaker at a time when politicians had to speak at public meetings on a regular basis.”
From the Holocaust Trust: “ Hitler stood out as an effective communicator and made his first virulent antisemitic speeches in Lechfeld…..”
3. If you knew anything about my family background you would understand how offensive your accusation that I would “condone the messages he so excellently communicated (allegedly)”
And for that reason you are div listed. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 7:27]
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Context is key. The quote you used from the BBC is from an article outlining Hitler’s appeal to the German people (at the time). Those comments were not in relation to a present day mainstream politician.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zsrwjxs/revision/8
The other quote you used is also taken from an article which concerns itself with Hitler’s rise to power.
You might not agree but by using Hitler as an example was in bad taste. There are various other examples of politicians who are, or were good orators. But no, you plumped for Hitler. Would you have used him as an example if you had great admiration for both NS or were a supporter of the SNP? I don’t think you would have.
Not looking for an argument at all but it is in extremely poor taste to have used Hitler as an example. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 8:26]
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:57 - Feb 16 with 500 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:51 - Feb 16 by MattinLondon |
Context is key. The quote you used from the BBC is from an article outlining Hitler’s appeal to the German people (at the time). Those comments were not in relation to a present day mainstream politician.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zsrwjxs/revision/8
The other quote you used is also taken from an article which concerns itself with Hitler’s rise to power.
You might not agree but by using Hitler as an example was in bad taste. There are various other examples of politicians who are, or were good orators. But no, you plumped for Hitler. Would you have used him as an example if you had great admiration for both NS or were a supporter of the SNP? I don’t think you would have.
Not looking for an argument at all but it is in extremely poor taste to have used Hitler as an example. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 8:26]
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FFs its historically accepted that Hitler was one of the first great communicators of the 20th century. His message was evil his politics were hateful. But he was a great communicator.
My post may have been clumsy but it’s pretty obvious what I meant in my op. I went out if my way to say I wasn’t comparing the two as people of politicians. Simply giving an example that being a great communicator does not make one a great politician.
As for poor taste? We see post after post comparing the current UK government to the Nazis, support for somebody composting the Bishops in the House of a lords to the theocratic butchers in Iran who hang gay men from cranes and everybody claps along.
I’m really not wasting my time in this anymore. I made it perfectly clear what I meant. People have replied. Pointless going over the same thing again. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 8:03]
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 08:44 - Feb 16 with 444 views | DJR |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:57 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
FFs its historically accepted that Hitler was one of the first great communicators of the 20th century. His message was evil his politics were hateful. But he was a great communicator.
My post may have been clumsy but it’s pretty obvious what I meant in my op. I went out if my way to say I wasn’t comparing the two as people of politicians. Simply giving an example that being a great communicator does not make one a great politician.
As for poor taste? We see post after post comparing the current UK government to the Nazis, support for somebody composting the Bishops in the House of a lords to the theocratic butchers in Iran who hang gay men from cranes and everybody claps along.
I’m really not wasting my time in this anymore. I made it perfectly clear what I meant. People have replied. Pointless going over the same thing again. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 8:03]
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It was me who initially challenged your reference to Hitler, but I didn't really expect it to end like this, and I am sorry that it has.
You clearly have views on Sturgeon and the SNP, as well as interest in Scottish politics, as do I.
The fact that is you say things which are disparaging or, in my view, not true in relation to the SNP, and you do so in a truculent way, makes me want to challenge what you say, particularly as most people on this board don't know much about Scottish politics so will be inclined to accept at face value what you say.
The easiest thing would have been for you to have said in response to my original post that you accepted that it was not appropriate to include a comparison to Hitler. Instead, you doubled down and started doing things like demanding I accept Hitler was an excellent communicator, or putting a post in capital letters. This in turn led to other people getting involved.
I think the moral of the tale is that if you are in a hole, stop digging, but I would add that there are no hard feelings on my part. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 8:53]
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| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 08:59 - Feb 16 with 437 views | Churchman |
Getting back to the point, I cannot abide Sturgeon or her politics but she comes across way better than any of the Tory clowns (not difficult - there are steaming bags in the doggy do bin that come across better than them) during her time or Starmer and co come to that. Far more in control of what she’s doing. Style or substance? No idea. That’s for Scots to comment on.
As for the SNP, I worked with some colleagues a few years ago who were working on devolution projects and the SNP were allegedly a truly appalling bunch to deal with. Mind you, that’s politicians I suppose. |  | | |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 09:20 - Feb 16 with 420 views | TalkingBlues |
| I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 07:24 - Feb 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Oh fcuk off. That you’ve taken a disagreement about football into the general board shows that you have no interest in reading the actual facts and are looking to point score. I want aware of you before last week, now yiu are over my posts like a rash. I smell a rat.
1. I did not Compare Nicola Sturgeon to Hitler. I said in my op that I was not comparing them as either people or politicians.
Zombie posted that Sturgeon was excellent politician because she was a great communicator. I used Hitler as an example of somebody who a great communicator but an awful politician and human being. The point being that being a great communicator does nit make one a great politician. There is no similarity between Sturgeon and Hitler in any capacity.
2. Praising Hitler? Read any book on the subject. Hitler was a great communicator. That is a statement of fact. Saying so is not “praising him”. Now I know you’re just trolling.
Are the BBC praising a Hitler? “ Hitler's charismatic and energised style helped the Nazi Party to be noticed and to gain votes. Hitler was a popular and effective public speaker at a time when politicians had to speak at public meetings on a regular basis.”
From the Holocaust Trust: “ Hitler stood out as an effective communicator and made his first virulent antisemitic speeches in Lechfeld…..”
3. If you knew anything about my family background you would understand how offensive your accusation that I would “condone the messages he so excellently communicated (allegedly)”
And for that reason you are div listed. [Post edited 16 Feb 2023 7:27]
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And there I was thinking that the Angel emoji was enough of a clue, they do say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit though.
You massive fanny, did I say that right? | |
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