| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? 12:03 - Feb 27 with 3936 views | Keno |
I watched one yesterday, tho it isnt the same without Baldrick |  |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:29 - Feb 28 with 1096 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:10 - Feb 28 by Keno |
lest we forget that most ancient of sites, with the odd lack of atmosphere, where families regularly gather in groups to heap ritual humiliation on of sacrificial offerings dressed in gaudy clown like outfits and where the dust and cobwebs in the 'inner sanctum' leads researchers to believe nothing has ever been in there .... carrowroad |
No, there would be very little point of looking for signs of life there.
Though it may just be some old myth but I'm sure I read once that the centre of that place is marked with a white dot surrounded by a outer enclosing circle. It used to be said that if a brother and sister really loved each other and if that love was consummated on that spot then their children would grow up to have 5 fingers |  | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:53 - Feb 28 with 1045 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:03 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
Cool, Newgrange would be interesting enough. I'm more interested in the Slightly earlier Carrowmore and Carrowkeel in the West of the country. |
Ireland, with its ancient history, must be a fascinating place for an archaeologist.
I can't claim to know its sites well, but my favourite is the very evocative Sceilg MhichÃl, a World Heritage site.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/757
I believe is is designated as such for the following two reasons.
Criterion (iii): Sceilg MhichÃl illustrates, as no other property can, the extremes of a Christian monasticism characterizing much of North Africa, the Near East and Europe.
Criterion (iv): Sceilg MhichÃl is an outstanding and in many respects a unique example of an early religious settlement deliberately sited on a pyramidal rock in the ocean, preserved because of a remarkable environment. |  | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:03 - Feb 28 with 1024 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:53 - Feb 28 by DJR |
Ireland, with its ancient history, must be a fascinating place for an archaeologist.
I can't claim to know its sites well, but my favourite is the very evocative Sceilg MhichÃl, a World Heritage site.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/757
I believe is is designated as such for the following two reasons.
Criterion (iii): Sceilg MhichÃl illustrates, as no other property can, the extremes of a Christian monasticism characterizing much of North Africa, the Near East and Europe.
Criterion (iv): Sceilg MhichÃl is an outstanding and in many respects a unique example of an early religious settlement deliberately sited on a pyramidal rock in the ocean, preserved because of a remarkable environment. |
It was what brought me here originally. Carrowmore and Carrowkeel are also under consideration for UNESCO World heritage status as part of Sligos neolithic passage tomb complex. Both well worth checking out if yer interested. Carrowkeel especially is breathtaking as located on side of mountains and the scenery is breathtaking | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:09 - Feb 28 with 1011 views | Keno |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:03 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
It was what brought me here originally. Carrowmore and Carrowkeel are also under consideration for UNESCO World heritage status as part of Sligos neolithic passage tomb complex. Both well worth checking out if yer interested. Carrowkeel especially is breathtaking as located on side of mountains and the scenery is breathtaking |
just cos I'm curious now - is there any historical, religious, genealogical etc link between places like that in Ireland and the Dolmen on the Channel Islands?
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:19 - Feb 28 with 989 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:09 - Feb 28 by Keno |
just cos I'm curious now - is there any historical, religious, genealogical etc link between places like that in Ireland and the Dolmen on the Channel Islands?
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I couldn't tell yer anything about that individual dolmen but in general the dolmens and other early neolithic monuments of Ireland and the channel islands would be completely linked and built by early farmers with a similar or shared culture. The passage tombs in the west of Ireland predate the neolithic arrival in uk by 500-1000 years and is where the first neolithic/farming culture was established on these islands. The precursor to stonehenge is in Co Sligo and predates it by over 2000 years. | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:22 - Feb 28 with 977 views | Keno |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:19 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
I couldn't tell yer anything about that individual dolmen but in general the dolmens and other early neolithic monuments of Ireland and the channel islands would be completely linked and built by early farmers with a similar or shared culture. The passage tombs in the west of Ireland predate the neolithic arrival in uk by 500-1000 years and is where the first neolithic/farming culture was established on these islands. The precursor to stonehenge is in Co Sligo and predates it by over 2000 years. |
thanks, my ancestry is from Guernsey with that particular Dolmen being next to what is regarded as the 'family home'
Basically I think I'm decended from some pissed up Druids | |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:32 - Feb 28 with 952 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:22 - Feb 28 by Keno |
thanks, my ancestry is from Guernsey with that particular Dolmen being next to what is regarded as the 'family home'
Basically I think I'm decended from some pissed up Druids |
Cool. There is a lot of work being done at the moment on ancient dna from skeletal remains from passage tombs etc. You would be surprised of the genetic links between the skeletal remains from these tombs and people living in the close proximity.( especially in rural areas like the west of Ireland) Roughly if your family were living there over a thousand years ago then its quite possible that you are genetically linked to the inhabitants of that tomb... | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:38 - Feb 28 with 948 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:19 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
I couldn't tell yer anything about that individual dolmen but in general the dolmens and other early neolithic monuments of Ireland and the channel islands would be completely linked and built by early farmers with a similar or shared culture. The passage tombs in the west of Ireland predate the neolithic arrival in uk by 500-1000 years and is where the first neolithic/farming culture was established on these islands. The precursor to stonehenge is in Co Sligo and predates it by over 2000 years. |
When it comes to dolmens, standing stones, menhirs and the like, Carnac in Brittany has the largest concentration of such things in the world.
https://www.historicmysteries.com/the-carnac-stones/
And when it comes to the evocative, the stone houses at Knap of Howar and Skara Brae in Orkney take some beating. They both are over 5000 years old, and the former (dating to 3700 BCE) is thought to be the oldest stone house in northern Europe.
https://www.worldhistory.org/Knap_of_Howar/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z82hsbk/articles/z883g7h [Post edited 28 Feb 2023 11:40]
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:46 - Feb 28 with 917 views | leitrimblue |
We have quite a few dates ( i got 2 of um myself) from neolithic monuments in Co sligo from 4200BC. Predates everything else in uk and Ireland by a few years | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:47 - Feb 28 with 916 views | Keno |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:32 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
Cool. There is a lot of work being done at the moment on ancient dna from skeletal remains from passage tombs etc. You would be surprised of the genetic links between the skeletal remains from these tombs and people living in the close proximity.( especially in rural areas like the west of Ireland) Roughly if your family were living there over a thousand years ago then its quite possible that you are genetically linked to the inhabitants of that tomb... |
Thats amazing!!
My Dad's dad family are basically from Guernsey with some French Huguenots thrown in about 300/400 years back.
I had an odd moment years ago meeting somewone at Gatwick to whom I related but had never meet. I recognised him cos ghe looked exactly like one of my uncle's | |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:04 - Feb 28 with 897 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:46 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
We have quite a few dates ( i got 2 of um myself) from neolithic monuments in Co sligo from 4200BC. Predates everything else in uk and Ireland by a few years |
Well done you. | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:44 - Feb 28 with 879 views | Plums |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 19:51 - Feb 27 by jontysnut |
I was at University with a lad from Hadleigh who went on to run the archaeology dept at Bradford Uni and his mate who came up with geophysics gizmo. Although I was donkey jacket wearing sociologist I hung around with the archaeology mob as they liked a beer or two |
Dm'd you. We may have a connection! |  |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 09:23 - Mar 3 with 776 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:46 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
We have quite a few dates ( i got 2 of um myself) from neolithic monuments in Co sligo from 4200BC. Predates everything else in uk and Ireland by a few years |
Right on cue, In Our Time has just broadcast a programme about megaliths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001jkzg
EDIT: You ought to contact the BBC and say that, in their description of the programme, the reference to megaliths being up to 6,000 years old should instead say 6,200 years. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 9:56]
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:19 - Mar 3 with 745 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 09:23 - Mar 3 by DJR |
Right on cue, In Our Time has just broadcast a programme about megaliths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001jkzg
EDIT: You ought to contact the BBC and say that, in their description of the programme, the reference to megaliths being up to 6,000 years old should instead say 6,200 years. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 9:56]
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They will get there in the next 10-20 years hopefully....
They and most of the 'archaeologists' you see on TV are still running with the narrative wrote by someone from Oxford in the 70,s.
That the Neolithic entered Britain around 3500 BC through the 'civilised' South East of England and Spread North and West from there.
Completely ignores the dating evidence of the last 20 years.
Orkney is giving um a bit of a headache..... | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:26 - Mar 3 with 734 views | Keno |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:19 - Mar 3 by leitrimblue |
They will get there in the next 10-20 years hopefully....
They and most of the 'archaeologists' you see on TV are still running with the narrative wrote by someone from Oxford in the 70,s.
That the Neolithic entered Britain around 3500 BC through the 'civilised' South East of England and Spread North and West from there.
Completely ignores the dating evidence of the last 20 years.
Orkney is giving um a bit of a headache..... |
But how do they explain Norfolk? [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 10:26]
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:36 - Mar 3 with 709 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:26 - Mar 3 by Keno |
But how do they explain Norfolk? [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 10:26]
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To be honest no one can genuinely explain Norfolk. It truely is a mystery wrapped up in a conundrum | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:36 - Mar 3 with 709 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:19 - Mar 3 by leitrimblue |
They will get there in the next 10-20 years hopefully....
They and most of the 'archaeologists' you see on TV are still running with the narrative wrote by someone from Oxford in the 70,s.
That the Neolithic entered Britain around 3500 BC through the 'civilised' South East of England and Spread North and West from there.
Completely ignores the dating evidence of the last 20 years.
Orkney is giving um a bit of a headache..... |
I had thought that too because I believed the Medway Megaliths in Kent were the oldest.
The following from the National Trust website states that Coldrum Long Barrow (one of them) is up to 3985 years old, although I am not sure what they base that on given the site has been disturbed at various times in the past.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/kent/coldrum-long-barrow/history-of-coldr
I have visited the site on a couple of occasion because it is near the North Downs Way. And the Medway Megaliths are unusual in the sense that I believe they are the only megaliths in the south east of England.
But as you say, places like Ireland and Orkney do indeed suggest a different story to the prevailing narrative. | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:39 - Mar 3 with 700 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:36 - Mar 3 by leitrimblue |
To be honest no one can genuinely explain Norfolk. It truely is a mystery wrapped up in a conundrum |
That is certainly true but it does have evidence of the oldest human footprints outside Africa, although perhaps the people haven't really developed much since then.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/07/oldest-human-footprints-happisbu [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 10:40]
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:41 - Mar 3 with 681 views | Keno |
Factors must have had a day out in Norfolk | |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:05 - Mar 3 with 652 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 10:36 - Mar 3 by DJR |
I had thought that too because I believed the Medway Megaliths in Kent were the oldest.
The following from the National Trust website states that Coldrum Long Barrow (one of them) is up to 3985 years old, although I am not sure what they base that on given the site has been disturbed at various times in the past.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/kent/coldrum-long-barrow/history-of-coldr
I have visited the site on a couple of occasion because it is near the North Downs Way. And the Medway Megaliths are unusual in the sense that I believe they are the only megaliths in the south east of England.
But as you say, places like Ireland and Orkney do indeed suggest a different story to the prevailing narrative. |
It's a probably a boring enough subject for a football forum but archaeologys relationship with the media, especially tv is large part of the reason you only see the same old narrative retold over and over again.
The majority of the 'archaeologists' you see on TV ( there are a couple of exceptions) are purely involved in raising there own archaeological profile (often but not always encouraged by the university or organisation they represent).
They aren't usually involved in the larger archaeological debate and they definitely aren't making TV analysing the latest research etc. They are just regurgitating the same kinda archaeology related format that the TV stations believe will be popular and receive the highest viewing figures. | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:21 - Mar 3 with 625 views | DJR |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 11:05 - Mar 3 by leitrimblue |
It's a probably a boring enough subject for a football forum but archaeologys relationship with the media, especially tv is large part of the reason you only see the same old narrative retold over and over again.
The majority of the 'archaeologists' you see on TV ( there are a couple of exceptions) are purely involved in raising there own archaeological profile (often but not always encouraged by the university or organisation they represent).
They aren't usually involved in the larger archaeological debate and they definitely aren't making TV analysing the latest research etc. They are just regurgitating the same kinda archaeology related format that the TV stations believe will be popular and receive the highest viewing figures. |
Never too boring for me! [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 11:22]
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:16 - Mar 3 with 586 views | Eireannach_gorm |
This Dolmen is just down the road from me.
It always fascinated me how they moved and arranged these huge stones with such primitive equipment.
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:20 - Mar 3 with 572 views | Keno |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:16 - Mar 3 by Eireannach_gorm |
This Dolmen is just down the road from me.
It always fascinated me how they moved and arranged these huge stones with such primitive equipment.
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In fairness my mate Mick,
builder from Sligo, reckons that it wouldnt be that hard. He thinks him, and a couple of mates could knock one up in about 3 hours. He's free a week next Wednesday but could you be paying cash in advance cos well you know those stones arent cheap | |
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| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:30 - Mar 3 with 551 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:16 - Mar 3 by Eireannach_gorm |
This Dolmen is just down the road from me.
It always fascinated me how they moved and arranged these huge stones with such primitive equipment.
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That's a beauty. Can I ask what townland you in and I will have a quick look at it? | | | |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:35 - Mar 3 with 533 views | leitrimblue |
| Hey Leitrimblue - are you in any of these new Time Teams? on 12:20 - Mar 3 by Keno |
In fairness my mate Mick,
builder from Sligo, reckons that it wouldnt be that hard. He thinks him, and a couple of mates could knock one up in about 3 hours. He's free a week next Wednesday but could you be paying cash in advance cos well you know those stones arent cheap |
I have a secret admiration for builder built dolmens and stone circles. My neighbour as a supreme stone circle with a central dolmen in his garden. I helped out with a couple of 'alignments' that should confuse the feck outta future archaeologists  | | | |
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