| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:55 - May 22 with 926 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
The issue is her using her own political aide to try and convince the civil service to make an exception for her. It was a daft move and the claims that it's a misuse of her position have some merit.
Beyond anything else it's just dumb from her. She's turned what should have been a non-issue (relatively minor offence that plenty of others in the political life have committed) into a story. She consistently seems not very bright on top of her sociopath tendencies. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:57 - May 22 with 923 views | Keno |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
So what kind of breach of the code does warrant investigating and how many times can a minster breach it that are ok? |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:58 - May 22 with 922 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:12 - May 22 by BlueBadger |
Which was also bigoted and illiberal, but just chose to do it whilst couching it in coded labguage. |
On things like gay marriage it was fairly liberal (and this was something Cameron personally promoted in order to shake off the nasty party image). Indeed, I don't think gay marriage, if it weren't already the law, would be promoted by either of the main parties now, given the anti-woke backlash.
But I give you that it was less enlightened when it came to immigration, although I am not sure Cameron ever truly believed in bringing net migration down to the tens of thousands. [Post edited 22 May 2023 13:59]
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 14:02 - May 22 with 897 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:53 - May 22 by Churchman |
Did she drive and break the speed limit on a public road? If the answer is yes, then she takes her punishment just like everyone else. No debate, no excuses, no privilege.
If she was that concerned about being a public figure she wouldn’t have sped in the first place. Suck it up.
There’s no witch hunt, just another person who believes themselves to be special. They are not. Nobody is. At least in my world they shouldn’t be. |
It is a clear breach of the following principle which Ministers are expected to follow as part of the Ministerial Code.
"Ministers must ensure that no conflict arises, or appears to arise, between their public duties and their private interests."
The head of the FDA (a civil service union) also put it well this morning.
"Civil servants are publicly funded. They’re paid for by you and me. They’re not there to support the personal interests of a minister. They don’t do their shopping, they don’t look after their children and they don’t sort out their speeding fine."
There is a matter of principle involved here, and no amount of trying to minimise her conduct can affect that principle. [Post edited 22 May 2023 14:05]
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 16:09 - May 22 with 830 views | BlueBadger |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:58 - May 22 by DJR |
On things like gay marriage it was fairly liberal (and this was something Cameron personally promoted in order to shake off the nasty party image). Indeed, I don't think gay marriage, if it weren't already the law, would be promoted by either of the main parties now, given the anti-woke backlash.
But I give you that it was less enlightened when it came to immigration, although I am not sure Cameron ever truly believed in bringing net migration down to the tens of thousands. [Post edited 22 May 2023 13:59]
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Worth pointing out that more than 50% of the parliamntary Tory party voted against the gay marriage laws, tho. |  |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 18:51 - May 22 with 779 views | HARRY10 |
"Time and again, she tries to think that she’s above the normal rules, breaching security even though she’s responsible for it, trying to avoid penalties even though she sets them, reappointed even after breaking the ministerial code, and criticising Home Office policies even though she’s in charge of them and is failing on knife crime, on Channel crossings, on immigration and more.
The prime minister is clearly too weak to sort this out. Well, if the home secretary cannot get a grip of her own rule-breaking behaviour, how can she get a grip on anything else?"
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"if Rishi Sunak does not trust Suella Braverman, it may be hard to see why the public should. He cites examples of colleagues doubting her competence, and quotes one unnamed former minister saying she was “completely useless” when they worked together. He also points out that, on speeding, Braverman has form. When she first became an MP, she asked officials if MPs could claim the cost of a speeding ticket on expenses, the Tory MP William Wragg revealed earlier this year."
The latter sentence tells you much about the mindset of these serial incompetents. Trying to claim a personal fine on expenses.
Though more sickening has been her apologists, in their protestations that she should be treated differently, we have to assume, because of her strong R*****t views. In their eyes it matters not what she did, but that she is 'one of them'. Stop migration because the UK is not short of workers, as err......
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/22/uk-fruit-exports-to-eu-have-dro
"The decline has been put down to the introduction of trade barriers caused by the UK’s departure from the EU, including mandatory health certificates on fresh and chilled food and customs paperwork."
And in response to this and so much else, we have this serial failure concerning herself with avoiding speeding fines. Like Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Only Rome isn't burning, but yet another Tory Minister/MP has been caught fiddling. |  | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 20:56 - May 22 with 727 views | DJR |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 16:09 - May 22 by BlueBadger |
Worth pointing out that more than 50% of the parliamntary Tory party voted against the gay marriage laws, tho. |
That's a very fair point. | | | |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 21:36 - May 22 with 693 views | BlueBadger |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
So, it's the corruption you like best about the Tories? | |
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| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 21:46 - May 22 with 688 views | HARRY10 |
| So, Sue Ellen REALLY is a proper Tory. on 13:18 - May 22 by baxterbasics |
I realise there is plenty to critique the government over but this doesn't seem like it.
She wasn't trying to avoid a penalty, just sought to do the speed awareness course in private which is understandable for a public figure.
Which may be a technical breaking of the code but to my mind doesn't justify the witch hunt or cries for investigation. |
More cap doffing nonsense.
Judicial procedure is NOT a witch hunt, as plenty of fellow Tory MPs are now stating.
That you should try to excuse her by using the language of the far right media tells all we need to know. | | | |
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