SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ 11:12 - Oct 19 with 1975 views | GlasgowBlue | I havenโt met one person who has received a polling slip for todayโs Scottish independence referendum. |  |
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:20 - Oct 19 with 1899 views | _clive_baker_ | As someone living north of the border, what do you think are the chances of there being a majority in favour of Scottish independence? I was at a wedding with a Scottish lad over the summer and he was pretty adamant it's not likely, although I'm conscious he was young, living in London and perhaps not representative of the wider demographic. I would've said the same of Brexit prior to the vote and was wrong on that. Just curious really |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:23 - Oct 19 with 1887 views | GlasgowBlue |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:20 - Oct 19 by _clive_baker_ | As someone living north of the border, what do you think are the chances of there being a majority in favour of Scottish independence? I was at a wedding with a Scottish lad over the summer and he was pretty adamant it's not likely, although I'm conscious he was young, living in London and perhaps not representative of the wider demographic. I would've said the same of Brexit prior to the vote and was wrong on that. Just curious really |
Iโd say that is less likely than any time since the last referendum. People are starting to see the SNP the same way as they do other parties. Before, they would be cut far more slack. |  |
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:35 - Oct 19 with 1844 views | belgablue |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:23 - Oct 19 by GlasgowBlue | Iโd say that is less likely than any time since the last referendum. People are starting to see the SNP the same way as they do other parties. Before, they would be cut far more slack. |
I think the only time I could ever conceivably support Norwich is if they were playing the SNP. |  |
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:59 - Oct 19 with 1809 views | Blueschev |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:20 - Oct 19 by _clive_baker_ | As someone living north of the border, what do you think are the chances of there being a majority in favour of Scottish independence? I was at a wedding with a Scottish lad over the summer and he was pretty adamant it's not likely, although I'm conscious he was young, living in London and perhaps not representative of the wider demographic. I would've said the same of Brexit prior to the vote and was wrong on that. Just curious really |
It will never be allowed to happen. It would weaken us too much militarily and embolden Russia. As a proxy nuclear weapons base for the US it would be unacceptable to them. |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:21 - Oct 19 with 1781 views | MattinLondon |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:20 - Oct 19 by _clive_baker_ | As someone living north of the border, what do you think are the chances of there being a majority in favour of Scottish independence? I was at a wedding with a Scottish lad over the summer and he was pretty adamant it's not likely, although I'm conscious he was young, living in London and perhaps not representative of the wider demographic. I would've said the same of Brexit prior to the vote and was wrong on that. Just curious really |
You only have to look at the polls to figure out that the majority of Scots are not in favour of independence. Even after the incompetence of Boris and the stupidity of Brexit, Scotland probably wonโt vote for it. The SNP seem to be too blinded by idealism to comprehend that they are in the minority. If they want to press the independence button then they should do so more subtlety. Every now-and-then, just state that they couldnโt do something because of Westminster - always try to equate Westminster in a bad light and after a while thatโll work. |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:26 - Oct 19 with 1742 views | ScotBlue |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:21 - Oct 19 by MattinLondon | You only have to look at the polls to figure out that the majority of Scots are not in favour of independence. Even after the incompetence of Boris and the stupidity of Brexit, Scotland probably wonโt vote for it. The SNP seem to be too blinded by idealism to comprehend that they are in the minority. If they want to press the independence button then they should do so more subtlety. Every now-and-then, just state that they couldnโt do something because of Westminster - always try to equate Westminster in a bad light and after a while thatโll work. |
They currently do put all the blame on Westminster for almost everything from not being able to plug into international money markets to Westminster stopping their beloved bottle return scheme to now going to the high court around the gender Identity bill. It is all starting to was a little thin. |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:27 - Oct 19 with 1742 views | _clive_baker_ |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:21 - Oct 19 by MattinLondon | You only have to look at the polls to figure out that the majority of Scots are not in favour of independence. Even after the incompetence of Boris and the stupidity of Brexit, Scotland probably wonโt vote for it. The SNP seem to be too blinded by idealism to comprehend that they are in the minority. If they want to press the independence button then they should do so more subtlety. Every now-and-then, just state that they couldnโt do something because of Westminster - always try to equate Westminster in a bad light and after a while thatโll work. |
My experience of opinion polls as a proxy for outcome is somewhat tarnished by Trump / Brexit tbh. I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that the appetite for indi was greater in the yoof and therefore wondered if that minority would in time become a majority. Personally I don't really have any skin in the game, part of me thinks Scotland should be entitled to independence should they so wish, but I also think breaking up the union would be a shame, and then I question where that stops. Wales? Cornwall? I think we're better off and stronger together, much like I thought the UK was within the EU. |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:35 - Oct 19 with 1633 views | DJR |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:20 - Oct 19 by _clive_baker_ | As someone living north of the border, what do you think are the chances of there being a majority in favour of Scottish independence? I was at a wedding with a Scottish lad over the summer and he was pretty adamant it's not likely, although I'm conscious he was young, living in London and perhaps not representative of the wider demographic. I would've said the same of Brexit prior to the vote and was wrong on that. Just curious really |
One factor I don't think I've ever heard mention is that, according to the 2011 census, 10% of the Scottish population was born in the rest of the UK, and there were a further 7% born elsewhere. That maybe puts into perspective the fact that as much as 45% voted for independence in 2014 because I would imagine those born in, say, England would be far less to favour independence. It is also to be noted that Quebec and Catalonia have similarly struggled to get a majority for independence and I think there are parallels to Scotland, especially with a sizeable English/Castilian speaking minority. As it is, it tends to be the older people who are more pro the Union but I do think that fear of the unknown plays a part especially in countries like Scotland, Quebec and Catalonia where the standard of living is already pretty decent and democracy is well established, which was not the case with countries like Slovenia or Slovakia. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 14:06]
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:42 - Oct 19 with 1591 views | giant_stow |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:35 - Oct 19 by DJR | One factor I don't think I've ever heard mention is that, according to the 2011 census, 10% of the Scottish population was born in the rest of the UK, and there were a further 7% born elsewhere. That maybe puts into perspective the fact that as much as 45% voted for independence in 2014 because I would imagine those born in, say, England would be far less to favour independence. It is also to be noted that Quebec and Catalonia have similarly struggled to get a majority for independence and I think there are parallels to Scotland, especially with a sizeable English/Castilian speaking minority. As it is, it tends to be the older people who are more pro the Union but I do think that fear of the unknown plays a part especially in countries like Scotland, Quebec and Catalonia where the standard of living is already pretty decent and democracy is well established, which was not the case with countries like Slovenia or Slovakia. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 14:06]
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"... I would imagine those born in, say, England would be far less to favour independence." I think you could equally say that people who've actively chosen to move to a country to live in it, would be more likely to vote for independence, than those who are there by accident of birth. |  |
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:57 - Oct 19 with 1551 views | DJR |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:42 - Oct 19 by giant_stow | "... I would imagine those born in, say, England would be far less to favour independence." I think you could equally say that people who've actively chosen to move to a country to live in it, would be more likely to vote for independence, than those who are there by accident of birth. |
The fact though is that people might move to Scotland to work (eg university, the oil industry, finance) with no intention of staying there permanently, or they might have family in the rest of the UK which makes them much more likely to favour the Union. They are also unlikely to have the emotional/romantic attachment that I sense underlies to a large extent the desire for Scottish independence (certainly true in my case) and therefore are perhaps more likely consider the issue in economic terms. And I give you ..... GB, who I believe is English and pretty trenchant on this issue! [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 16:04]
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 17:04 - Oct 19 with 1444 views | BlueBadger |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 12:21 - Oct 19 by MattinLondon | You only have to look at the polls to figure out that the majority of Scots are not in favour of independence. Even after the incompetence of Boris and the stupidity of Brexit, Scotland probably wonโt vote for it. The SNP seem to be too blinded by idealism to comprehend that they are in the minority. If they want to press the independence button then they should do so more subtlety. Every now-and-then, just state that they couldnโt do something because of Westminster - always try to equate Westminster in a bad light and after a while thatโll work. |
I wonder if after Brexit, some will have seen where hollow nationalism married to fairies-and-unicorns economics gets you. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 17:18]
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 17:12 - Oct 19 with 1416 views | Leaky |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 13:35 - Oct 19 by DJR | One factor I don't think I've ever heard mention is that, according to the 2011 census, 10% of the Scottish population was born in the rest of the UK, and there were a further 7% born elsewhere. That maybe puts into perspective the fact that as much as 45% voted for independence in 2014 because I would imagine those born in, say, England would be far less to favour independence. It is also to be noted that Quebec and Catalonia have similarly struggled to get a majority for independence and I think there are parallels to Scotland, especially with a sizeable English/Castilian speaking minority. As it is, it tends to be the older people who are more pro the Union but I do think that fear of the unknown plays a part especially in countries like Scotland, Quebec and Catalonia where the standard of living is already pretty decent and democracy is well established, which was not the case with countries like Slovenia or Slovakia. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 14:06]
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For what it's worth, a Scottish neighbour serving in the RAF living in rural Cambridgeshire . While renting out their family home out to non UK family were not entitled to vote in the 2014 referendum while the people renting there property were. Seems odd to me |  | |  |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 17:12 - Oct 19 with 1415 views | NthQldITFC |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 11:35 - Oct 19 by belgablue | I think the only time I could ever conceivably support Norwich is if they were playing the SNP. |
They'd need your support too. Can you imagine a front two of Sturgeon and Salmond (retired as they may be) up against Norwich's ageing, creaking centre backs? Thed rip thaim intae wee pieces and tear the faithers aff thaim. |  |
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SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 09:16 - Oct 20 with 1233 views | DJR |
SNP voter suppression worse than Trump ๐ on 17:12 - Oct 19 by Leaky | For what it's worth, a Scottish neighbour serving in the RAF living in rural Cambridgeshire . While renting out their family home out to non UK family were not entitled to vote in the 2014 referendum while the people renting there property were. Seems odd to me |
My mother who lived in England for nearly two-thirds of her life would have voted against independence if she had been allowed. But I think it is partly a generational thing in Scotland because older people remember the war, the Coronation and the like, and were never taught anything about Scottish history. Indeed, there are various Scottish authors of the 20th century that she knew nothing about because the focus in schools was on English authors. As regards my father, I am not sure what view he would have taken because he died in 2010. [Post edited 20 Oct 2023 9:16]
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