| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 07:59 - Nov 27 with 2360 views | Herbivore |
Sorry, missed this and just posted on the same topic. Absolutely unreal and shows how little of a sh!t most politicians and most countries give about actually addressing the climate crisis. |  |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:06 - Nov 27 with 2349 views | Dubtractor |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 07:59 - Nov 27 by Herbivore |
Sorry, missed this and just posted on the same topic. Absolutely unreal and shows how little of a sh!t most politicians and most countries give about actually addressing the climate crisis. |
Yep. If ever we needed more proof that most governments only talk a good game on climate, here it is. |  |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:58 - Nov 27 with 2288 views | NthQldITFC |
Why are we human beings allowing our corrupt leaders to drive our children's futures into hell?
With a few exceptions, the sh!t always floats to the top of the barrel and corrupts even the most noble and necessary of causes.
We need some form of selfless, anti-growth revolution starting from the bottom, or - we - are - DEAD! |  |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 11:15 - Nov 27 with 2220 views | CoachRob |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:58 - Nov 27 by NthQldITFC |
Why are we human beings allowing our corrupt leaders to drive our children's futures into hell?
With a few exceptions, the sh!t always floats to the top of the barrel and corrupts even the most noble and necessary of causes.
We need some form of selfless, anti-growth revolution starting from the bottom, or - we - are - DEAD! |
The Global Systems Institute at Exeter University has really embraced the idea of bottom up engagement and activism. Getting the community on board and engaged has become a primary focus. Business leaders, artists, playwrights, musicians, scientists, vloggers, YouTubers, have come up with myriad ways to communicate and give people agency in tackling climate change.
I differ from you in blaming a certain group of people for what is happening, we are all products of the fossil fuel system and human behaviour is poorly understood subject that academically seems to be in permanent crisis. One person on here inferred that if the middle classes bought less garden furniture we could avoid catastrophic climate change, another posted that the 1% are to blame, in physics terms, this is merely squeezing a balloon. Energy and matter is simply redistributed and the system size and trajectory remains problematic.
Really enjoy reading your comments and the journey you're on to understand this crisis, once people take the time to really understand the complexity of the problem they realise just how much sh1t we are in. Tim Lenton, who wrote the seminal paper on Earth system tipping points and was director of the Global Systems Institute, stated he didn't think civilisation would get beyond this century if we carry out as we are. |  | | |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 11:29 - Nov 27 with 2187 views | lowhouseblue |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 11:15 - Nov 27 by CoachRob |
The Global Systems Institute at Exeter University has really embraced the idea of bottom up engagement and activism. Getting the community on board and engaged has become a primary focus. Business leaders, artists, playwrights, musicians, scientists, vloggers, YouTubers, have come up with myriad ways to communicate and give people agency in tackling climate change.
I differ from you in blaming a certain group of people for what is happening, we are all products of the fossil fuel system and human behaviour is poorly understood subject that academically seems to be in permanent crisis. One person on here inferred that if the middle classes bought less garden furniture we could avoid catastrophic climate change, another posted that the 1% are to blame, in physics terms, this is merely squeezing a balloon. Energy and matter is simply redistributed and the system size and trajectory remains problematic.
Really enjoy reading your comments and the journey you're on to understand this crisis, once people take the time to really understand the complexity of the problem they realise just how much sh1t we are in. Tim Lenton, who wrote the seminal paper on Earth system tipping points and was director of the Global Systems Institute, stated he didn't think civilisation would get beyond this century if we carry out as we are. |
i don't know about garden furniture, but middle class western life styles are not sustainable and there is no technical fix to avoid that. we are consuming too much which is energy / carbon intensive. according to current notions of 'prosperity' we need to become poorer. but that's not a palatable political message. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 12:28 - Nov 27 with 2117 views | NthQldITFC |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 11:15 - Nov 27 by CoachRob |
The Global Systems Institute at Exeter University has really embraced the idea of bottom up engagement and activism. Getting the community on board and engaged has become a primary focus. Business leaders, artists, playwrights, musicians, scientists, vloggers, YouTubers, have come up with myriad ways to communicate and give people agency in tackling climate change.
I differ from you in blaming a certain group of people for what is happening, we are all products of the fossil fuel system and human behaviour is poorly understood subject that academically seems to be in permanent crisis. One person on here inferred that if the middle classes bought less garden furniture we could avoid catastrophic climate change, another posted that the 1% are to blame, in physics terms, this is merely squeezing a balloon. Energy and matter is simply redistributed and the system size and trajectory remains problematic.
Really enjoy reading your comments and the journey you're on to understand this crisis, once people take the time to really understand the complexity of the problem they realise just how much sh1t we are in. Tim Lenton, who wrote the seminal paper on Earth system tipping points and was director of the Global Systems Institute, stated he didn't think civilisation would get beyond this century if we carry out as we are. |
My views probably aren't (quite) as simplistic and belligerent as they must come across on here on the subject of our poor environment! I sort of aim to prod and poke and hopefully trigger one or two changes in behaviour patterns or beliefs amongst TWTDers, but I'm aware that my own understanding is a bit limited in many areas and my posts are often coarse and somewhat agricultural and that many of us are already well aware of how grim the situation is.
I don't have any faith in any top-down meaningful action within an effective timescale (short-termism will rule politics until the end I fear), but I do have hope that modern communication systems could enable a people-led, probably youth-led 'revolution' to force radical world-wide policy change. The people need to have a deeper understanding and to be kicked and prodded into action I feel.
I also usually get ultra-frustrated and emotional whilst writing a climate change post and then perhaps tend to go over the top!
Thanks for your posts and those of several others on here who clearly have a deep understanding of the science and/or do valuable work on the subject. To quote you...
'Energy and matter is simply redistributed and the system size and trajectory remains problematic.'
... is the sort of inescapable truth that I think many people won't have a engrained understanding of, and I think that's where education has badly let the human race down in a world driven by growth and profit and arseholes in power saying things like "we've heard enough from the scientists." | |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 22:31 - Nov 27 with 1987 views | CoachRob |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 12:28 - Nov 27 by NthQldITFC |
My views probably aren't (quite) as simplistic and belligerent as they must come across on here on the subject of our poor environment! I sort of aim to prod and poke and hopefully trigger one or two changes in behaviour patterns or beliefs amongst TWTDers, but I'm aware that my own understanding is a bit limited in many areas and my posts are often coarse and somewhat agricultural and that many of us are already well aware of how grim the situation is.
I don't have any faith in any top-down meaningful action within an effective timescale (short-termism will rule politics until the end I fear), but I do have hope that modern communication systems could enable a people-led, probably youth-led 'revolution' to force radical world-wide policy change. The people need to have a deeper understanding and to be kicked and prodded into action I feel.
I also usually get ultra-frustrated and emotional whilst writing a climate change post and then perhaps tend to go over the top!
Thanks for your posts and those of several others on here who clearly have a deep understanding of the science and/or do valuable work on the subject. To quote you...
'Energy and matter is simply redistributed and the system size and trajectory remains problematic.'
... is the sort of inescapable truth that I think many people won't have a engrained understanding of, and I think that's where education has badly let the human race down in a world driven by growth and profit and arseholes in power saying things like "we've heard enough from the scientists." |
We have all suffered the anger and frustration you feel and I've been in climate workshops with people in tears. There is always that point when you ask, why does nobody get this? I have spent years fighting climate economists on their bullsh1t and even though we have very much won that fight, it continues as they dream up new nonsense to allow governments and businesses to obfuscate on change.
No need to thank me, I get paid to do this stuff, the people who use their own time to carefully craft the communication of climate science are doing a superb job. People don't read the IPCC reports or peer-reviewed literature, they speak to their family, friends, read socials. Keep doing what you're doing. The PEW study on climate opinions shows people are worried about climate change, we just need to access the right dynamics to make system change happen. | | | |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 23:07 - Nov 27 with 1934 views | CoachRob |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 11:29 - Nov 27 by lowhouseblue |
i don't know about garden furniture, but middle class western life styles are not sustainable and there is no technical fix to avoid that. we are consuming too much which is energy / carbon intensive. according to current notions of 'prosperity' we need to become poorer. but that's not a palatable political message. |
The Labour Party thinks there is a technical fix and will support a green growth agenda that has zero empirical support. Who is advising the Labour Party?
I don't understand how you, thermodynamically, can parse out one group in an interacting complex system. The energy and material throughputs are all interrelated. I agree with general point about sustainability and energy from fossil fuels. | | | |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 07:42 - Nov 28 with 1866 views | Buhrer |
Yes that's existentially depressing and feeds my consumptive nihilism, but at least I can now forget sorting the recycling and go back to having a proper tyre fuelled burnup in the back garden. Every cloud eh? |  | | |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:55 - Nov 28 with 1834 views | lowhouseblue |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 23:07 - Nov 27 by CoachRob |
The Labour Party thinks there is a technical fix and will support a green growth agenda that has zero empirical support. Who is advising the Labour Party?
I don't understand how you, thermodynamically, can parse out one group in an interacting complex system. The energy and material throughputs are all interrelated. I agree with general point about sustainability and energy from fossil fuels. |
if you mean why focus on the middle class in the west it's because they are collectively by far the biggest direct and indirect fossil fuel consumers - their lifestyles and consumption patterns are unsustainable. they set the benchmark about which others measure their prosperity. they are also us. what we consume and do is where the biggest changes have to happen. it also recognises that that tackling this has big re distributional consequences.
continual growth in terms of producing and consuming more fossil intensive things is impossible - but as consumption patterns and economic activity shift we'll end up with a different mix of goods and services and a different set of prices and that change may well be described as growth. it won't be growth as we thought it in the 20th century. increasing the outputs from health care systems for example is a form of growth. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:02 - Dec 4 with 1457 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
“would take world ‘back into caves’”
Still better living conditions than their foreign construction workers…
COP has always been a joke - a gathering of the world’s biggest polluters virtue signalling and patting each other on the back. Glad people are starting to realise. |  | | |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:20 - Dec 4 with 1430 views | DanTheMan |
They'll either be dead or too rich to deal with the consequences. They do not care.
I can't remember the statistics exactly, but the investments in green energy are around $1.4trillion, of which the fossil fuel companies' investments are around $1billion. They all talk a big game but actions speak louder than words.
And it's hilarious they're trying to say "well we're being cleaner getting the oil!" as if that's the issue everyone has. |  |
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| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:30 - Dec 4 with 1407 views | CoachRob |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:02 - Dec 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“would take world ‘back into caves’”
Still better living conditions than their foreign construction workers…
COP has always been a joke - a gathering of the world’s biggest polluters virtue signalling and patting each other on the back. Glad people are starting to realise. |
Sounds like Al Jaber is referring to the environmental Kuznets curve, remind us which discipline dreamt up that nonsense.
Cop has a multitude of scientists presenting their findings on the state of the Earth system and gives a voice to some of the economically smaller nations,. There is at least some movement on loss and damage which if you couple that with the work on early warning systems could help to attenuate the worst effects. | | | |
| UAE Hosting COP28, who could have predicted this....... on 08:30 - Dec 4 with 1407 views | MJallday |
I think the first step might have been to make it a videoconference rather than them all taking private jets?
Any excuse for a p1ss up for that lot tbh |  |
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