| Paul Cook back to the Championship? 17:05 - Dec 20 with 7647 views | SitfcB |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:00 - Dec 21 with 1156 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 09:55 - Dec 21 by positivity |
if you're talking win percentages, surely hurst is far worse? |
They're all sh*te, but Cook was just as sh*te in a division lower with a championship ready squad. |  |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:03 - Dec 21 with 1146 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:00 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
They're all sh*te, but Cook was just as sh*te in a division lower with a championship ready squad. |
you said they had similar win percentages though, i'd argue that hurst's was much lower! |  |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:13 - Dec 21 with 1123 views | suffolkpoker |
Paul Cook has a real eye for a player. Over half off our starting 11 are still Cooks men. He does lack man management and a pan b.
I personally think PC should be in the EFL. |  |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:29 - Dec 21 with 1071 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:13 - Dec 21 by suffolkpoker |
Paul Cook has a real eye for a player. Over half off our starting 11 are still Cooks men. He does lack man management and a pan b.
I personally think PC should be in the EFL. |
Lack man management? He had won promotions in his career and on the good way to win yet another one.
He failed with us with the players he signed up I agree but this failure doesn't make him a terrible manager. |  | | |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:32 - Dec 21 with 1065 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:03 - Dec 21 by positivity |
you said they had similar win percentages though, i'd argue that hurst's was much lower! |
Let me rephrase.
They all lost the majority of their games. | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:34 - Dec 21 with 1058 views | dirtyboy |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:29 - Dec 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Lack man management? He had won promotions in his career and on the good way to win yet another one.
He failed with us with the players he signed up I agree but this failure doesn't make him a terrible manager. |
I think there were also mitigating circumstances with Cook, he had to be the bad cop who dismantled everything.
Maybe those left were not completely happy with him for that and that would have taken time to heal. He also didn't have the backroom staff that McKenna has built.
I liked Cook, liked the 'way' we played, but clearly it didn't click. McKenna came in with a clean slate, just all aligned for us and maybe Cook had more of a positive impact overall than we give him credit for. We certainly played on the front foot and were good to watch even though the results were largely poor.
Not our worst manager by a long shot, also had to contend with not being the new owners (or Ashton's) choice....was never going to get time. |  | | |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:35 - Dec 21 with 1054 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:32 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
Let me rephrase.
They all lost the majority of their games. |
except cook didn't (32.6%) | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:37 - Dec 21 with 1045 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:35 - Dec 21 by positivity |
except cook didn't (32.6%) |
In league one. Sh*tter. | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:40 - Dec 21 with 1028 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:34 - Dec 21 by dirtyboy |
I think there were also mitigating circumstances with Cook, he had to be the bad cop who dismantled everything.
Maybe those left were not completely happy with him for that and that would have taken time to heal. He also didn't have the backroom staff that McKenna has built.
I liked Cook, liked the 'way' we played, but clearly it didn't click. McKenna came in with a clean slate, just all aligned for us and maybe Cook had more of a positive impact overall than we give him credit for. We certainly played on the front foot and were good to watch even though the results were largely poor.
Not our worst manager by a long shot, also had to contend with not being the new owners (or Ashton's) choice....was never going to get time. |
He started all positive changes by kicking out the wasters he had inherited. The worst ever players in the history of the club. Demolition Job was one of the turning points in the history of the club. Our dressing stunk. | | | |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:43 - Dec 21 with 1015 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:37 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
In league one. Sh*tter. |
lambert lost a higher percentage, even in league one, his legacy of players amounted to kvy (free transfer) | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:58 - Dec 21 with 994 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:43 - Dec 21 by positivity |
lambert lost a higher percentage, even in league one, his legacy of players amounted to kvy (free transfer) |
Lambert didn't have half the talent available to him that Cook had.
It's splitting hairs. They're all crap. Most out of a job and Cook found his level. | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:06 - Dec 21 with 973 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:58 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
Lambert didn't have half the talent available to him that Cook had.
It's splitting hairs. They're all crap. Most out of a job and Cook found his level. |
lambert's early league one team had better players than the side he left cook.
then due to this mess, cook had to totally rebuild it and somehow still had a better losing record than lambert!
cook may have found his level (employed) and it's higher than hurst/lambert/mccarthy/jewell/keane at the moment!
not great, but definitely not the worst! | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:17 - Dec 21 with 951 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 10:32 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
Let me rephrase.
They all lost the majority of their games. |
"Let me move the goalposts so my argument works." |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:22 - Dec 21 with 942 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:17 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Let me move the goalposts so my argument works." |
or doesn't, in this case! | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:25 - Dec 21 with 924 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:17 - Dec 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Let me move the goalposts so my argument works." |
They all lost the majority of their games. That's factually correct, no? | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:40 - Dec 21 with 887 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:25 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
They all lost the majority of their games. That's factually correct, no? |
Yes, but that wasn't your initial argument. Hence my point about the goalpost moving. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:02 - Dec 21 with 853 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 11:25 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
They all lost the majority of their games. That's factually correct, no? |
it's not; cook lost less than a 3rd, a majority is more than a half | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:07 - Dec 21 with 835 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:02 - Dec 21 by positivity |
it's not; cook lost less than a 3rd, a majority is more than a half |
i don't think any permanent itfc manager has lost the majority of their games, but happy to be shown otherwise | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:15 - Dec 21 with 794 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:02 - Dec 21 by positivity |
it's not; cook lost less than a 3rd, a majority is more than a half |
Worldbeater.
He's found his level, the useless clogger.
Edit - Are cup games included in his win percentage? [Post edited 21 Dec 2023 12:23]
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:24 - Dec 21 with 764 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:15 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
Worldbeater.
He's found his level, the useless clogger.
Edit - Are cup games included in his win percentage? [Post edited 21 Dec 2023 12:23]
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we're not saying he's a world-beater, just that we've had worse. it's c. 18% less than a majority!
he's found his level, and yet somehow it's above all the other "useless cloggers" who managed us since evans took over!
twtd stats dor all managers include cup games, removing them takes him to a losing percentage of 33.3% (16.7% below a majority) | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:29 - Dec 21 with 746 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:24 - Dec 21 by positivity |
we're not saying he's a world-beater, just that we've had worse. it's c. 18% less than a majority!
he's found his level, and yet somehow it's above all the other "useless cloggers" who managed us since evans took over!
twtd stats dor all managers include cup games, removing them takes him to a losing percentage of 33.3% (16.7% below a majority) |
I get all that, but he managed to do this in league one with the likes of Morsy, Walton, Chapers etc. | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:37 - Dec 21 with 720 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:29 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
I get all that, but he managed to do this in league one with the likes of Morsy, Walton, Chapers etc. |
morsy, walton & chappers dropped down a league largely because of their relationship with cook!
he had them for some games, for the rest he had to make do with lambert's legacy, the likes of bennet, harrop, kenlock, and an ageing chambers & skuse
cook left us in a better situation than he joined, you can't say the same for several others.
it's fine to say you think he's the worst if it's just a vibe thing, but if you then try and prove it with stats which show the opposite, that'll get pointed out! | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:54 - Dec 21 with 674 views | BiGDonnie |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:37 - Dec 21 by positivity |
morsy, walton & chappers dropped down a league largely because of their relationship with cook!
he had them for some games, for the rest he had to make do with lambert's legacy, the likes of bennet, harrop, kenlock, and an ageing chambers & skuse
cook left us in a better situation than he joined, you can't say the same for several others.
it's fine to say you think he's the worst if it's just a vibe thing, but if you then try and prove it with stats which show the opposite, that'll get pointed out! |
Definitely not a vibe thing. He had the best squad, was facing worse opposition and still struggled just as bad as the rest of em.
Couldn't organise us and started blaming players he'd literally just signed.
The rebuild was happening whoever was in charge, he was here at the right time. | |
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| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 13:00 - Dec 21 with 664 views | carlo88 |
I reckon Warnock might go back there for the rest of the season, could do a lot worse, especially as they're in a bit of a relegation scrap.
How there is ever any debate about Lambert being our worst ever manager completely mystifies me. Took us down with a squad capable of staying up, did nothing at all in League One except promote himself and agitate for a longer contract which he amazingly managed to do. The fact he's an ex-budgie is just the cherry on the cake. Terrible, terrible manager (as many Stoke, Villa and Wolves fans seem to concur with). |  | | |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 13:01 - Dec 21 with 660 views | positivity |
| Paul Cook back to the Championship? on 12:54 - Dec 21 by BiGDonnie |
Definitely not a vibe thing. He had the best squad, was facing worse opposition and still struggled just as bad as the rest of em.
Couldn't organise us and started blaming players he'd literally just signed.
The rebuild was happening whoever was in charge, he was here at the right time. |
the rebuild wouldn't have been as successful if, say, lambert/hurst/jewell/keane were in charge and almost certainly wouldn't have included all of walton/chaplin/morsy/evans.
it's coming across as a vibe thing when all the stats you deploy give the opposite outcome.
hurst had the worst losing rate overall/lambert had the worst losing rate in league one/keane spent the most money. only cook left a better squad than he'd inherited | |
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