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Part 2 of the quiz is to guess what is going to happen to them?
I don't know what will happen to them but someone on TV will have this video shown to them and they will put their hands over their eyes and fingers in their eyes and shout "they are all terrorists and if you don't believe us, you're an antisemite!"
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Spot the terrorists. on 09:26 - Jan 11 with 2929 views
Spot the terrorists. on 20:28 - Jan 10 by factual_blue
Yeah, but the King David Hotel....
My maternal grandfather was a military policeman in Palestine in 1946 and was on his way and quite close to the hotel when it was blown up - when I was young I remember him saying something along the lines of; the Germans had tried to kill him, the Arabs were trying to kill him, the British squaddies were after him and now he had the "bloody Js" (his words) trying to blow him up. It did not exactly encourage me to have a career in the Armed Forces....
You are the obsolete SRN4 to my Fairey Rotodyne....
Spot the terrorists. on 22:18 - Jan 10 by Cafe_Newman
I don't know what will happen to them but someone on TV will have this video shown to them and they will put their hands over their eyes and fingers in their eyes and shout "they are all terrorists and if you don't believe us, you're an antisemite!"
Maybe they will say they were Al Jazeera journalists whom they regard as terrorists.
Spot the terrorists. on 22:18 - Jan 10 by Cafe_Newman
I don't know what will happen to them but someone on TV will have this video shown to them and they will put their hands over their eyes and fingers in their eyes and shout "they are all terrorists and if you don't believe us, you're an antisemite!"
Sigh
What you are doing here is belittling antisemitism. Your post allows "anything goes" because it opens the door to the most virulent Jew haters to then say "I don't hate Jews, just Israelis". I guarantee that no one would look at that video and say what you claim. I guarantee that. But you are simply trying to negate all claims of antisemitism as just being against Israel.
Jews are the only minority who get denied the right to talk about hatred towards them.
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Spot the terrorists. on 20:37 - Jan 11 with 2658 views
Spot the terrorists. on 20:20 - Jan 11 by phillymark
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What you are doing here is belittling antisemitism. Your post allows "anything goes" because it opens the door to the most virulent Jew haters to then say "I don't hate Jews, just Israelis". I guarantee that no one would look at that video and say what you claim. I guarantee that. But you are simply trying to negate all claims of antisemitism as just being against Israel.
Jews are the only minority who get denied the right to talk about hatred towards them.
You're totally right to point out the wrongs of that post, it should be challenged.
I am however interested if you have any opinions on what the IDF is doing in Gaza. You've made numerous posts on the conflict but none mention this subject. This thread is about the IDF actions and you've not mentioned the subject. I responded to you yesterday about the IDF and you've not replied.
Spot the terrorists. on 20:20 - Jan 11 by phillymark
Sigh
What you are doing here is belittling antisemitism. Your post allows "anything goes" because it opens the door to the most virulent Jew haters to then say "I don't hate Jews, just Israelis". I guarantee that no one would look at that video and say what you claim. I guarantee that. But you are simply trying to negate all claims of antisemitism as just being against Israel.
Jews are the only minority who get denied the right to talk about hatred towards them.
All he said was ‘spot the terrorists’
What you’re possibly implying is…
That video doesn’t show an act of terrorist-like behaviour, just an unfortunate road traffic accident where the innocent driver got confused between 1st gear and reverse a couple of times, in a desperate attempt to get to the nearest police station and report the awful accident?
Quite how this subsequently equates to ‘belittling antisemitism’ on a football forum where a handful of members, who don’t filter their content to football only threads, might see it, is a huge leap you probably should justify, having thrown the wild accusation out there..
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Spot the terrorists. on 20:56 - Jan 11 by Bigalhunter
All he said was ‘spot the terrorists’
What you’re possibly implying is…
That video doesn’t show an act of terrorist-like behaviour, just an unfortunate road traffic accident where the innocent driver got confused between 1st gear and reverse a couple of times, in a desperate attempt to get to the nearest police station and report the awful accident?
Quite how this subsequently equates to ‘belittling antisemitism’ on a football forum where a handful of members, who don’t filter their content to football only threads, might see it, is a huge leap you probably should justify, having thrown the wild accusation out there..
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Spot the terrorists. on 21:06 - Jan 11 with 2571 views
Spot the terrorists. on 20:37 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue
You're totally right to point out the wrongs of that post, it should be challenged.
I am however interested if you have any opinions on what the IDF is doing in Gaza. You've made numerous posts on the conflict but none mention this subject. This thread is about the IDF actions and you've not mentioned the subject. I responded to you yesterday about the IDF and you've not replied.
I am interested to hear your views.
SB
[Post edited 11 Jan 2024 20:39]
As I understand it, PhillyMark has only commented on the atrocities Hamas inflicted on Israeli citizens on October 7th. As a non Israeli Jew, I can completely understand PM's concern for his fellow Jews on what was the worst pogrom in decades. And how that has since manifested in hatred towards Jews around the world.
This is not dissimilar to the concern that many non Palestinian Muslims with no connection to the area are showing for their Muslim brothers and sisters at the hands of the IDF. Which again, is completely understandable
In the same way that I don't believe it would be appropriate to challenge those Muslims condemning the sate of Israel to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas, I don't think a non Israeli Jew should be obligated to give an opinion on the actions of the IDF.
Spot the terrorists. on 20:20 - Jan 11 by phillymark
Sigh
What you are doing here is belittling antisemitism. Your post allows "anything goes" because it opens the door to the most virulent Jew haters to then say "I don't hate Jews, just Israelis". I guarantee that no one would look at that video and say what you claim. I guarantee that. But you are simply trying to negate all claims of antisemitism as just being against Israel.
Jews are the only minority who get denied the right to talk about hatred towards them.
I largely agree with the sentiments of your first paragraph despite myself having the antisemitism label thrown at me inappropriately more than once. Your second paragraph is abject nonsense.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Spot the terrorists. on 20:56 - Jan 11 by Bigalhunter
All he said was ‘spot the terrorists’
What you’re possibly implying is…
That video doesn’t show an act of terrorist-like behaviour, just an unfortunate road traffic accident where the innocent driver got confused between 1st gear and reverse a couple of times, in a desperate attempt to get to the nearest police station and report the awful accident?
Quite how this subsequently equates to ‘belittling antisemitism’ on a football forum where a handful of members, who don’t filter their content to football only threads, might see it, is a huge leap you probably should justify, having thrown the wild accusation out there..
Wrong. What he said was:
"I don't know what will happen to them but someone on TV will have this video shown to them and they will put their hands over their eyes and fingers in their eyes and shout "they are all terrorists and if you don't believe us, you're an antisemite!"
You even up arrowed the post so you must agree with ChorleyBoy. So your reply to PhillyMark makes no sense.
Spot the terrorists. on 21:06 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue
As I understand it, PhillyMark has only commented on the atrocities Hamas inflicted on Israeli citizens on October 7th. As a non Israeli Jew, I can completely understand PM's concern for his fellow Jews on what was the worst pogrom in decades. And how that has since manifested in hatred towards Jews around the world.
This is not dissimilar to the concern that many non Palestinian Muslims with no connection to the area are showing for their Muslim brothers and sisters at the hands of the IDF. Which again, is completely understandable
In the same way that I don't believe it would be appropriate to challenge those Muslims condemning the sate of Israel to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas, I don't think a non Israeli Jew should be obligated to give an opinion on the actions of the IDF.
Posted with all due respect SB.
"In the same way that I don't believe it would be appropriate to challenge those Muslims condemning the sate of Israel to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas..."
....you genuinely exist in some parallel universe if you expect anybody to swallow that!!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Spot the terrorists. on 21:06 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue
As I understand it, PhillyMark has only commented on the atrocities Hamas inflicted on Israeli citizens on October 7th. As a non Israeli Jew, I can completely understand PM's concern for his fellow Jews on what was the worst pogrom in decades. And how that has since manifested in hatred towards Jews around the world.
This is not dissimilar to the concern that many non Palestinian Muslims with no connection to the area are showing for their Muslim brothers and sisters at the hands of the IDF. Which again, is completely understandable
In the same way that I don't believe it would be appropriate to challenge those Muslims condemning the sate of Israel to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas, I don't think a non Israeli Jew should be obligated to give an opinion on the actions of the IDF.
Posted with all due respect SB.
Which is all fair and understandable, except yesterday he framed an entire post in a thread that involves both factors from the perspective of what might happen to Israel in the future and even posted 5 questions about that whilst ignoring the actions of the IDF.
Bias is fine but it can be challenged, something I am sure you agree with?
Or should we not be asking the difficult questions nowadays?
Many (including yourself) have certainly asked posters to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas over the last 3 months even when they were posting with a Gaza centric viewpoint.
Similarly, posted with all due respect.
SB
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Spot the terrorists. on 21:13 - Jan 11 with 2511 views
Spot the terrorists. on 20:56 - Jan 11 by Bigalhunter
All he said was ‘spot the terrorists’
What you’re possibly implying is…
That video doesn’t show an act of terrorist-like behaviour, just an unfortunate road traffic accident where the innocent driver got confused between 1st gear and reverse a couple of times, in a desperate attempt to get to the nearest police station and report the awful accident?
Quite how this subsequently equates to ‘belittling antisemitism’ on a football forum where a handful of members, who don’t filter their content to football only threads, might see it, is a huge leap you probably should justify, having thrown the wild accusation out there..
He was replying to ChorleyBoy's comment and not the OP directly.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Spot the terrorists. on 21:12 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue
Which is all fair and understandable, except yesterday he framed an entire post in a thread that involves both factors from the perspective of what might happen to Israel in the future and even posted 5 questions about that whilst ignoring the actions of the IDF.
Bias is fine but it can be challenged, something I am sure you agree with?
Or should we not be asking the difficult questions nowadays?
Many (including yourself) have certainly asked posters to give an opinion on the actions of Hamas over the last 3 months even when they were posting with a Gaza centric viewpoint.
Similarly, posted with all due respect.
SB
I hadn't seen that post. In that case, it's a fair question.
Any thoughts on these lovely chaps Philymark....just imagine a group of Hamas terrorists singing this the day before their atrocity on Oct 7th. "There are no uninvolved civilians."
On Oct 8th I was shot down for pointing out that atrocities do not happen in a void. Well, the above is just a part of that context!
[Post edited 11 Jan 2024 21:29]
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
What is you opinion on Boris Johnson's waist size?
I was born to a Palestinian father which is why I am following the recent threads with interest. I subsequently worked for 18 months as a technical author in Tel Aviv in the late 90’s so I have a reasonable understanding of recent events. I’m sure you’ll continue to circle and throw allegations about Simpsons avatars and such like so I’ll screenshot this page and send Mr Ham photos of my late father’s passport and my work permit before the inevitable..
Three down….just two more to go..(WhatsApp Group, July 2025)
I was born to a Palestinian father which is why I am following the recent threads with interest. I subsequently worked for 18 months as a technical author in Tel Aviv in the late 90’s so I have a reasonable understanding of recent events. I’m sure you’ll continue to circle and throw allegations about Simpsons avatars and such like so I’ll screenshot this page and send Mr Ham photos of my late father’s passport and my work permit before the inevitable..
Spot the terrorists. on 20:37 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue
You're totally right to point out the wrongs of that post, it should be challenged.
I am however interested if you have any opinions on what the IDF is doing in Gaza. You've made numerous posts on the conflict but none mention this subject. This thread is about the IDF actions and you've not mentioned the subject. I responded to you yesterday about the IDF and you've not replied.
I am interested to hear your views.
SB
[Post edited 11 Jan 2024 20:39]
"what the IDF is doing in Gaza" is too broad to answer without it becoming a book. I will say this. I am a proud Jew and zionist. What does that mean? It means that I support Israel's right to exist as a state for the Jews and that bottom line is non-negotiable for me. I have loads of friends in Israel, met my wife there and have been often. I also know that although Israel's enemies can lose multiple wars, if Israel loses one war she will cease to exist.
Regarding Gaza - Oct 7 changed a lot. Jews across the world felt threatened to a level that we have not really experienced for a generation. From our perspective this was a pogrom, unfiltered violence against Jews and, this time in history, we are not going to just accept it. My POV is that the world loves the victim Jew, they love sympathizing and tapping us on the head after we get massacred. We're kind of done with that. Now that we are strong, the world doesn't like that sort of Jew - hence we now see denial of what happened (Jewish lives don't matter)
I think the destruction of Hamas is warranted and moral and the tunnel network must be uprooted. I have no idea how to do this - I have no skill set in that area. I think Israel should try to minimize civilian casualties (something Hamas clearly does not care about - in fact they revel in civilian deaths) and if Israeli soldiers commit clear offenses against civilians, however tough things are in war, they should be held to account. I also hope their is some sympathy for the terror that Jews feel about having Jews paraded in international courts - it's not like that sort of thing has gone well for us in the past. I totally oppose any expulsion of Palestinians to other countries and also oppose any Israeli settlements in Gaza. I am working with a Muslim colleague in my school to demonstrate how to have meaningful constructive conversations about difficult subjects.
I don't understand a ceasefire. What happens next? Do the hostages stay in Gaza? Does Israel get to respond when Hamas fires a rocket at Ashkelon? 10 rockets? 100? What is Hamas does another 7/10? what if another 7/10 is foiled? Is Israel allowed to respond? I doubt it - the anti-Israel masses won't allow that. What does a ceasefire entail for the weeks after?
The ripping down of posters of Israeli hostages upsets me greatly. The visceral hatred that such an act entails is terrifying. Jewish lives don't matter. what also terrified me was the anti-Israel sentiments and vitriol that came out before Israel even did anything in response. My synagogue now has a permanent armed guard presence costing us over $70000 a year. We are not wealthy but this is the price of being Jewish.
Here is a section of a piece I wrote for my school's newspaper (I am a teacher). It is only a section because the rest of the article refers to the reaction (or inaction) of the school itself and isn't relevant here. the article was written the weak of the Hamas pogrom
Title of article - Jew I hope the title I have given myself makes you sit up. I hope it jolts you a little. I have stolen this moniker idea from the British comedian and author David Baddiel who’s book “Jews Don’t Count” is an important read. Why have I written that? Because “Jew” is my identity. At LM, I’m “the British guy”, the teacher with the funny accent who can talk endlessly about cricket and tea. But I am a Jew. That is my primary identity...
What I can say for sure is that the Jewish community is reeling. We witnessed the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Please read that sentence again. And again. Everyone in the Jewish community knows someone affected.
And this Jew is done. I am done with niceties and apologies. I’m done with the passive Jew who doesn’t want to rock the boat. I’m done with not having antisemitism recognized. I don’t yet know how to do this properly but it needs to be done. I know I have done and said things since the massacre that may well have been “unprofessional”. My emotions are still raw. I wake every morning and cry. Either because I read about another lost family, or I see crowds in Sydney chanting “gas the Jews” and “f*** the Jews”. Or I see people who laugh and cheer when a speaker at a rally in Manhattan described how some “hipsters” were partying in the desert until Hamas showed up and murdered them…Or I witness beautiful acts of support such as the mass singing of the prayer for peace in Hebrew in Tokyo or the Hatikvah in Buenos Aires. I cry....
I am not particularly religious. My Jewishness is more cultural and ethnic. I don’t really “pray” in the traditional sense. When I say “pray for” I probably mean “hope for” or “desire”. I pray for peace. I pray for the end of antisemitism and all forms of hate. I pray for two states living alongside each other. I pray for voices to be heard.
" I responded to you yesterday about the IDF and you've not replied." - apologies - I am very bad at following threads - nothing personal
I hope this helps, though I know it doesn't cover even close to everything..
If people want to respond, great. If people don't think Israel should exist...as I said, that's a bottom line for me and I won't dignify their reply with a response.
[Post edited 12 Jan 2024 1:19]
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Spot the terrorists. on 07:33 - Jan 12 with 1992 views
Spot the terrorists. on 01:18 - Jan 12 by phillymark
"what the IDF is doing in Gaza" is too broad to answer without it becoming a book. I will say this. I am a proud Jew and zionist. What does that mean? It means that I support Israel's right to exist as a state for the Jews and that bottom line is non-negotiable for me. I have loads of friends in Israel, met my wife there and have been often. I also know that although Israel's enemies can lose multiple wars, if Israel loses one war she will cease to exist.
Regarding Gaza - Oct 7 changed a lot. Jews across the world felt threatened to a level that we have not really experienced for a generation. From our perspective this was a pogrom, unfiltered violence against Jews and, this time in history, we are not going to just accept it. My POV is that the world loves the victim Jew, they love sympathizing and tapping us on the head after we get massacred. We're kind of done with that. Now that we are strong, the world doesn't like that sort of Jew - hence we now see denial of what happened (Jewish lives don't matter)
I think the destruction of Hamas is warranted and moral and the tunnel network must be uprooted. I have no idea how to do this - I have no skill set in that area. I think Israel should try to minimize civilian casualties (something Hamas clearly does not care about - in fact they revel in civilian deaths) and if Israeli soldiers commit clear offenses against civilians, however tough things are in war, they should be held to account. I also hope their is some sympathy for the terror that Jews feel about having Jews paraded in international courts - it's not like that sort of thing has gone well for us in the past. I totally oppose any expulsion of Palestinians to other countries and also oppose any Israeli settlements in Gaza. I am working with a Muslim colleague in my school to demonstrate how to have meaningful constructive conversations about difficult subjects.
I don't understand a ceasefire. What happens next? Do the hostages stay in Gaza? Does Israel get to respond when Hamas fires a rocket at Ashkelon? 10 rockets? 100? What is Hamas does another 7/10? what if another 7/10 is foiled? Is Israel allowed to respond? I doubt it - the anti-Israel masses won't allow that. What does a ceasefire entail for the weeks after?
The ripping down of posters of Israeli hostages upsets me greatly. The visceral hatred that such an act entails is terrifying. Jewish lives don't matter. what also terrified me was the anti-Israel sentiments and vitriol that came out before Israel even did anything in response. My synagogue now has a permanent armed guard presence costing us over $70000 a year. We are not wealthy but this is the price of being Jewish.
Here is a section of a piece I wrote for my school's newspaper (I am a teacher). It is only a section because the rest of the article refers to the reaction (or inaction) of the school itself and isn't relevant here. the article was written the weak of the Hamas pogrom
Title of article - Jew I hope the title I have given myself makes you sit up. I hope it jolts you a little. I have stolen this moniker idea from the British comedian and author David Baddiel who’s book “Jews Don’t Count” is an important read. Why have I written that? Because “Jew” is my identity. At LM, I’m “the British guy”, the teacher with the funny accent who can talk endlessly about cricket and tea. But I am a Jew. That is my primary identity...
What I can say for sure is that the Jewish community is reeling. We witnessed the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Please read that sentence again. And again. Everyone in the Jewish community knows someone affected.
And this Jew is done. I am done with niceties and apologies. I’m done with the passive Jew who doesn’t want to rock the boat. I’m done with not having antisemitism recognized. I don’t yet know how to do this properly but it needs to be done. I know I have done and said things since the massacre that may well have been “unprofessional”. My emotions are still raw. I wake every morning and cry. Either because I read about another lost family, or I see crowds in Sydney chanting “gas the Jews” and “f*** the Jews”. Or I see people who laugh and cheer when a speaker at a rally in Manhattan described how some “hipsters” were partying in the desert until Hamas showed up and murdered them…Or I witness beautiful acts of support such as the mass singing of the prayer for peace in Hebrew in Tokyo or the Hatikvah in Buenos Aires. I cry....
I am not particularly religious. My Jewishness is more cultural and ethnic. I don’t really “pray” in the traditional sense. When I say “pray for” I probably mean “hope for” or “desire”. I pray for peace. I pray for the end of antisemitism and all forms of hate. I pray for two states living alongside each other. I pray for voices to be heard.
" I responded to you yesterday about the IDF and you've not replied." - apologies - I am very bad at following threads - nothing personal
I hope this helps, though I know it doesn't cover even close to everything..
If people want to respond, great. If people don't think Israel should exist...as I said, that's a bottom line for me and I won't dignify their reply with a response.
[Post edited 12 Jan 2024 1:19]
Thanks for your detailed response, I read your post previously when you mentioned your newspaper article. Whilst I conceptually understand how you feel I wouldn't claim to be able to put myself in the position you are in.
If I may, I will pick a few select quotes as I feel they are central to what was being discussed.
"I don't understand a ceasefire. What happens next? Do the hostages stay in Gaza? Does Israel get to respond when Hamas fires a rocket at Ashkelon? 10 rockets? 100? What is Hamas does another 7/10? what if another 7/10 is foiled? Is Israel allowed to respond? I doubt it - the anti-Israel masses won't allow that. What does a ceasefire entail for the weeks after?"
Of course they should and would respond to something like this but in a proportionate and targeted way. I don't think politically there are "anti-Israel" masses at a political level who would stop this - they haven't stopped the current military action and as poster DJR has pointed out, the UK has made a case to the ICC about the Rohingya highlighting things whilst pretty much ignoring the IDF doing very similar things.
"I think the destruction of Hamas is warranted and moral and the tunnel network must be uprooted."
This is an absolutely understandable position to have and one that many will agree with. The question is should that goal be achieved by the destruction of Gaza and the ruining of the lives of 2m people?
"I think Israel should try to minimize civilian casualties (something Hamas clearly does not care about - in fact they revel in civilian deaths) and if Israeli soldiers commit clear offenses against civilians, however tough things are in war, they should be held to account."
This doesn't seem to be happening though. >85% of people in Gaza displaced, ~500,000 now starving (UN statement), >23,000 people killed and >50,000 buildings destroyed.
What happened on the 7th was awful and the need to respond was absolutely understandable and justifiable but the response has left large parts of Gaza, in the words of the UN, "uninhabitable". It now feels a bit like "two wrongs make a right" and it's hard for me to see how such a disproportionate response is going to make things safer for Israel over the longer term. If things continue then Gaza isn't going to be somewhere where anyone can live in suitable conditions for a long time.
Thanks again for your response on what is a difficult subject to discuss in a polite and civilised manner.
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