| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher 18:36 - Jan 16 with 17340 views | itfcjoe |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 18:37 - Jan 17 with 1069 views | Vegtablue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 17:12 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst i agree with certain aspects we've not had only 5 months to set something up.
We are now coming upto 3 years since the takeover.
Of course we've done alot in that time. An awful lot.
But we haven't just had 5 months to set up some form of scouting network abroad. |
I don't know how fair or unfair your (implied) criticism is.
How much time does it take to establish reliable scouting networks abroad and how much does it cost? Were we distracted? Not enough bandwidth? Or were margins too tight under L1 FFP rules for us to justify spending in advance? Was the fan forum answer more tactful than transparent, and have we made a conscious decision to be highly detailed on home soil rather than half-arse it in many locations?
How well do you know this subject? Frankly I'm way out of my depth. What I do know is extracting value from every £ is very important. We've seen many clubs blow their budgets on extravagant or unknown purchases and then have to stand still or enter survival mode until the FFP cycle allows them to begin reinvesting again in the playing squad. Getting transfers wrong is costlier than ever. |  | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:01 - Jan 17 with 995 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 18:37 - Jan 17 by Vegtablue |
I don't know how fair or unfair your (implied) criticism is.
How much time does it take to establish reliable scouting networks abroad and how much does it cost? Were we distracted? Not enough bandwidth? Or were margins too tight under L1 FFP rules for us to justify spending in advance? Was the fan forum answer more tactful than transparent, and have we made a conscious decision to be highly detailed on home soil rather than half-arse it in many locations?
How well do you know this subject? Frankly I'm way out of my depth. What I do know is extracting value from every £ is very important. We've seen many clubs blow their budgets on extravagant or unknown purchases and then have to stand still or enter survival mode until the FFP cycle allows them to begin reinvesting again in the playing squad. Getting transfers wrong is costlier than ever. |
Agreed, I’m out of my depth too as amply proven with my black and white incorrect view of other clubs foreign player transfer dealings!
The way the club has gone about business in many areas since the takeover looks very measured and planned. Have we missed out with that approach? Maybe, but we are not sitting so high in the table based on luck. Whatever they’ve been doing, carry on.
I’d be interested to know more about it and I think that when Ashton is at the fans forum there is no harm in asking a few more questions. Far more interesting than questions about the state of the toilets, important though that is.
Your last paragraph - from what I’ve read QPR are a good example of that. Revolving door managers hasn’t helped but basically they are in the bottom three without a pot to wazz in. Yep, bad transfers are more costly than ever. |  | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:28 - Jan 17 with 916 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 18:36 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
So, set up a scouting network with nothing to do for 2+ years.
I’m sure they have a database and have been looking at possibilities, but coming from zero, I doubt that’s easy. Our competitors are the likes of West Brom, Watford, Norwich, not L1 clubs, all of whom have been much higher in the pyramid in recent years. Even Stoke, Swansea and QPR. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Wednesday probably have a database and a scouting network but look what a mess they got into wheeling in a phalanx of dross from abroad. Look at us in 2001. Not all the blame goes on Finidi and Sereni, but how much did that foray cost us and for what?
More often than not players move in January because their club doesn’t want them, they don’t want the club, a boatload of money, pension dough or if up and coming a step up.
Dozens of clubs are in the market for strikers and while I might love East Anglia 9/10ths of the country barely know where it is, let alone Fantastico Golo from where’ve abroad.
I really don’t think it’s as easy as you make it sound, even if you offer silly money and destroy squad harmony doing it, as happened in 2001.
Your disclaimer is correct. We don’t know how this month ends. Best to wait until then. |
I just feel if clubs like plymouth sign players from abroad. Its incorrect for some to say well we were league 1 it wasn't allowed back then etc so no needs and why set one up and do nothing for 2 years. It wouldn't be doing nothing imo it would be being ready for when it's needed. Look at plymouth this week. Lost a loan player. Utilised their network and obtained a new loanee from abroad. Now I've no clue who that player is. How good he is or anything and not claiming to but its that level of planning that I applaud.
I'm not saying its easy to set up.. but I don't feel just shy of 3 years isn't enough time for a club to have one set up esp one well financed and one that already has staff within with plenty of contacts In different areas. |  |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:44 - Jan 17 with 858 views | Vegtablue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:01 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
Agreed, I’m out of my depth too as amply proven with my black and white incorrect view of other clubs foreign player transfer dealings!
The way the club has gone about business in many areas since the takeover looks very measured and planned. Have we missed out with that approach? Maybe, but we are not sitting so high in the table based on luck. Whatever they’ve been doing, carry on.
I’d be interested to know more about it and I think that when Ashton is at the fans forum there is no harm in asking a few more questions. Far more interesting than questions about the state of the toilets, important though that is.
Your last paragraph - from what I’ve read QPR are a good example of that. Revolving door managers hasn’t helped but basically they are in the bottom three without a pot to wazz in. Yep, bad transfers are more costly than ever. |
Yes get yourself near the front for the next one Churchman, I'd like to be educated further on this.
QPR are a great example. Bristol City and Stoke have needed to tread water for a couple of years. Birmingham, Derby, Wednesday until the money ran out... Lots of clubs are fully committed to losing £13M a year and some have got stuck: massive wage bills with little to show for it, one in one out if the EFL permits it, very few saleable assets and no transfer fees allowed. Checkmate! | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:44 - Jan 17 with 857 views | BloomBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:28 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I just feel if clubs like plymouth sign players from abroad. Its incorrect for some to say well we were league 1 it wasn't allowed back then etc so no needs and why set one up and do nothing for 2 years. It wouldn't be doing nothing imo it would be being ready for when it's needed. Look at plymouth this week. Lost a loan player. Utilised their network and obtained a new loanee from abroad. Now I've no clue who that player is. How good he is or anything and not claiming to but its that level of planning that I applaud.
I'm not saying its easy to set up.. but I don't feel just shy of 3 years isn't enough time for a club to have one set up esp one well financed and one that already has staff within with plenty of contacts In different areas. |
But isn't that the key point are they better than what we have?
You say Plymouth have signed a player* from abroad but are they any better than what we have. I'm all for strengthing the squad but I don't see the point of spending for the sake of spending if the player isn't at the standard we want.
Also re Plymouth is it the clubs contacts or their new mgrs contacts abroad? I only ask because they seem to be bringing in players who their mgr worked with in England U20s
*not sure which player they signed from abroad. |  | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:48 - Jan 17 with 832 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:44 - Jan 17 by BloomBlue |
But isn't that the key point are they better than what we have?
You say Plymouth have signed a player* from abroad but are they any better than what we have. I'm all for strengthing the squad but I don't see the point of spending for the sake of spending if the player isn't at the standard we want.
Also re Plymouth is it the clubs contacts or their new mgrs contacts abroad? I only ask because they seem to be bringing in players who their mgr worked with in England U20s
*not sure which player they signed from abroad. |
They're in a different place than we are so what they're looking for Is of course different it was just refreshing to read it. Not sure on the new manager link it could be. They did utilise the foreign market last season too.
As I say they could be signing a load of duffs. The point was solely about not having a need for anything because we were league 1. | |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:54 - Jan 17 with 806 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:44 - Jan 17 by Vegtablue |
Yes get yourself near the front for the next one Churchman, I'd like to be educated further on this.
QPR are a great example. Bristol City and Stoke have needed to tread water for a couple of years. Birmingham, Derby, Wednesday until the money ran out... Lots of clubs are fully committed to losing £13M a year and some have got stuck: massive wage bills with little to show for it, one in one out if the EFL permits it, very few saleable assets and no transfer fees allowed. Checkmate! |
I’ve never been to one tbh. More effort required! | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:56 - Jan 17 with 789 views | Vegtablue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:28 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I just feel if clubs like plymouth sign players from abroad. Its incorrect for some to say well we were league 1 it wasn't allowed back then etc so no needs and why set one up and do nothing for 2 years. It wouldn't be doing nothing imo it would be being ready for when it's needed. Look at plymouth this week. Lost a loan player. Utilised their network and obtained a new loanee from abroad. Now I've no clue who that player is. How good he is or anything and not claiming to but its that level of planning that I applaud.
I'm not saying its easy to set up.. but I don't feel just shy of 3 years isn't enough time for a club to have one set up esp one well financed and one that already has staff within with plenty of contacts In different areas. |
Plymouth haven't been impressed with "Pleggy" or Waine, incidentally. Bundu's received a mixed response. I see they've now brought in Sorinola, also from Belgium, but it isn't yet clear they have the infrastructure in place to be dipping into the overseas markets effectively. Arguably a lot of sides are unsuccessfully having a punt, rather than incisively extracting value. | | | |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:02 - Jan 17 with 760 views | Vegtablue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:54 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
I’ve never been to one tbh. More effort required! |
Same so toilet questions it is 😅 | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:04 - Jan 17 with 744 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:28 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I just feel if clubs like plymouth sign players from abroad. Its incorrect for some to say well we were league 1 it wasn't allowed back then etc so no needs and why set one up and do nothing for 2 years. It wouldn't be doing nothing imo it would be being ready for when it's needed. Look at plymouth this week. Lost a loan player. Utilised their network and obtained a new loanee from abroad. Now I've no clue who that player is. How good he is or anything and not claiming to but its that level of planning that I applaud.
I'm not saying its easy to set up.. but I don't feel just shy of 3 years isn't enough time for a club to have one set up esp one well financed and one that already has staff within with plenty of contacts In different areas. |
Not sure Plymouth are the best example. They’re 6th bottom, 8 points above the drop, 28 points behind us. They’ve lost their manager, one of their best players and may lose one or two more.
If they’ve brought in the next Messi or Ronaldo, I’ll hold my hand up.
As for ‘just shy of 3 years’, that assertion is based purely on your wish, a desire to pick apart the management’s decisions and the length of time Gamechanger have owned the club. I have to disagree - I believe there’s far more to it than that. | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:04 - Jan 17 with 734 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:56 - Jan 17 by Vegtablue |
Plymouth haven't been impressed with "Pleggy" or Waine, incidentally. Bundu's received a mixed response. I see they've now brought in Sorinola, also from Belgium, but it isn't yet clear they have the infrastructure in place to be dipping into the overseas markets effectively. Arguably a lot of sides are unsuccessfully having a punt, rather than incisively extracting value. |
They might not be.
But even if they haven't come off. We've had similar non success with the likes of ahadme. Piggott. Bonne. Etc. And as we know we paid a fair bit of wedge for piggott.
There's never any certainty with any transfer of course even if you pay top money or a freebie and the same if from UK or abroad. Our last punt however as far as I'm aware on the foreign market was Yengi who was a recommendation by the GK coach at the time. It didn't come off but its always nice to see a club trying someone from abroad. Esp town with some of the greats we brought over. | |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:07 - Jan 17 with 712 views | BloomBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 19:56 - Jan 17 by Vegtablue |
Plymouth haven't been impressed with "Pleggy" or Waine, incidentally. Bundu's received a mixed response. I see they've now brought in Sorinola, also from Belgium, but it isn't yet clear they have the infrastructure in place to be dipping into the overseas markets effectively. Arguably a lot of sides are unsuccessfully having a punt, rather than incisively extracting value. |
Although Sorinola is slightly different in that he played for MK Dons and then moved to Belguim and was onloan at Swansea last season. So probably means Plymouth's scouting network on that particular example was UK based | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:08 - Jan 17 with 703 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:04 - Jan 17 by Churchman |
Not sure Plymouth are the best example. They’re 6th bottom, 8 points above the drop, 28 points behind us. They’ve lost their manager, one of their best players and may lose one or two more.
If they’ve brought in the next Messi or Ronaldo, I’ll hold my hand up.
As for ‘just shy of 3 years’, that assertion is based purely on your wish, a desire to pick apart the management’s decisions and the length of time Gamechanger have owned the club. I have to disagree - I believe there’s far more to it than that. |
There not a good example if I was saying they've found wonderkids or next level players. I wasn't and this isn't the discussion I'm having. It's solely about the usage of the market and having something set up.
And no one is picking anything apart. I just don't agree with those who says we haven't had time.
It's fine for you to disagree. But earlier you said champ sides don't use the foreign market which was incorrect in itself so I'm happy to agree to disagree on this. | |
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| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:12 - Jan 17 with 677 views | Vegtablue |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:04 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
They might not be.
But even if they haven't come off. We've had similar non success with the likes of ahadme. Piggott. Bonne. Etc. And as we know we paid a fair bit of wedge for piggott.
There's never any certainty with any transfer of course even if you pay top money or a freebie and the same if from UK or abroad. Our last punt however as far as I'm aware on the foreign market was Yengi who was a recommendation by the GK coach at the time. It didn't come off but its always nice to see a club trying someone from abroad. Esp town with some of the greats we brought over. |
Few certainties for sure Frimmers. Minimising the risk and maximising the value is the goal of course but there's a tension between these two ambitions, with the former tending towards home grown and the latter towards overseas. I'd love another Dutch wizard. | | | |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:21 - Jan 17 with 642 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn no longer willing to sell Gallagher on 20:08 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
There not a good example if I was saying they've found wonderkids or next level players. I wasn't and this isn't the discussion I'm having. It's solely about the usage of the market and having something set up.
And no one is picking anything apart. I just don't agree with those who says we haven't had time.
It's fine for you to disagree. But earlier you said champ sides don't use the foreign market which was incorrect in itself so I'm happy to agree to disagree on this. |
I’ve already said to Vegeblue I was wrong with that blanket assertion, but I’m right in that the majority have been with clubs further up the football pyramid than us less than a year ago.
Plymouth? If they’ve sign Zidane 2 I’ll happily put my hand up. If they’ve signed a load of dross like Wednesday did, I won’t. They really are no model for us. | | | |
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