| Disappointed by McKenna 06:14 - May 23 with 8187 views | Blue_Heath |
Looking back over last month or so they were hints he could leave (Davis on SKY after final game saying he hopes the manager stays, some of Ashton's and his own comments) and now it is blindingly obvious he will.
On the one hand I am eternally grateful for two marvellous seasons and getting us back to where we belong but on the other very disappointed he won't even give us one season in the premier league.
Wherever he ends up he is going to learn a lot next season and it will be interesting to see how he handles losing streaks if at Brighton, something he has not had to worry about here. Also will be interesting to see how he handles the board, as I understand it he had a say in most things here that won't be the case at a Brighton or Chelsea.
Whilst the short term gain for McKenna will be huge he surely has to consider the longevity of managing either Chelsea or Brighton or is he a career chaser moving on when his stock is at its highest? My guess would be he'd last no longer than 18 months at either club. Where does he go from there?
Personally if he stays and takes us down finishing bottom I don't think many fans or the board would want him gone.
The big worry is where do we go from here? Let's be honest the euphoria of going up has had as good a feel factor as I can recall in my 50 year lifetime. We are now caught between someone trying to be McKenna mkII with same team or ripping team up and starting again. Either way I have big doubts that will get us 40 points next season.
I hope Potter would come to us when McKenna leaves and be able to do what he did at Brighton but fear he may have better offers. Cooper I like but he does have huge losing streaks in him and Edwards of Luton has done well this year but can't see what he'd be able to differently to keep us up if I am honest. That said hopefully I hope Ashton can unearth another gem.
I am now totally fed up with all the speculation and more importantly the fact we are losing valuable time to plan for next season when we don't know who is going to be in charge. Thanks for the memories McKenna either sign the new contract or go quickly please. |  | | |  |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 09:59 - May 23 with 1074 views | rkc123 |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 09:42 - May 23 by backinbeige |
Your point about him having one decent season is a good one. Perhaps a bit harsh - and it was one extremely good season - but I take it.
I don't think it would show a lack of faith in himself if he leaves. The timing, unfortunately for us, makes sense. The step up from EFL to Premier League is significantly different from League One to Championship. Both represent a jump, but this one is bigger. So from cold, hard logic, if he was to act in total self-interest, and he is an ambitious manager, moving to a more established Premier League club now unfortunately makes sense.
Yet trying to exert control over a club like Chelsea is as much of a challenge as keeping a promoted Championship team up. It’s just a different challenge. He’ll have to back himself to move there, which wouldn’t be a lack of faith in himself.
Brighton might be a bit of an easier ride. Things are a bit smoother, they seem to embrace ‘modern methods’ as much as Kieran so he’d fit in. They already have a lot of the infrastructure that we would be looking to build.
One of the biggest criticisms you can tell a football fan is that your club “isn’t a big club”. Cue a domino effect of middle-aged men holding the back of their hands to their foreheads and swooning backwards. Historic achievements, recent achievements, brand, revenues, perceived fanbase and regular attendance goes into this magical algorithm that determines who is a ‘big club’.
Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, etc are big clubs.
Doncaster Rovers is a small club. Deal with that savage burn, Donnie fans.
We are a medium club.
Brighton are also a medium club. But they’re better positioned to break into the ‘big club’ tier than we are. They have the Premier League infrastructure and stability. They already have a Premier League squad and solid ownership. Perhaps they underachieved last season, perhaps they were par, but there’s headroom to grow into.
It may show a lack of faith if Kieran went there, but for me the lack of faith is outweighed by good, clear, rational thinking.
I really don’t want him to go. I really don’t. Kieran, if you’re reading this: Obviously Ipswich is the best place to achieve all of the wildest dreams in your managerial career.
But the original mad question in this thread is if you'd be 'disappointed in him' if he were to go, which I wouldn't be. If he does go it would be a huge setback for us, but I’d get it. [Post edited 23 May 2024 9:46]
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Yes just to be clear I did mean that from the outside it looks like one outstanding year, I think what he did with us in league one was incredible, and mostly as it is clear with hindsight that he wasn't just working to get out of league one, he was preparing for the next step up at the same time.
I think my point about 'showing a lack of faith in himself' is probably based on my belief that the Brighton job is the one that is realistic, I don't see Chelsea or Man U actually going for him this year. I think he can do more to prove that he really is a top level manager by staying here this year, than going to Brighton. Brighton would probably be the safe next step as he would almost definitely get them playing good football and achieve a decent league position, whereas with us there is the chance that the jump up is just too big and things start to unravel a bit. Of course I am sure he would back himself to get them into the Europa League spots, but I still think keeping us up would be a more remarkable achievement than what he could do with Brighton.
If Chelsea come in with an offer I would hope he would still see sense and realise what a mess that club seems to be, but I would completely get it if he goes to Man U, I think he would 100% back himself to sort out the issues they have, he's a fan of the club, knows the club, and with the new owners there is probably some hope they will eventually emerge from their own 'banter era'. [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:03]
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:24 - May 23 with 1000 views | DinDjarin |
Disappointed why exactly?
Nothing has happened apart from everyone wetting their knickers at every clickbait news article. [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:30]
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:25 - May 23 with 983 views | backinbeige |
I think we're in agreement that he shouldn't go to Chelsea, but I do think they'll try. They buy young players who hold their value and tie them to long term contracts, almost entirely for financial benefit. I can imagine they'll do the same for managers.
My phone has just pinged with Nancy Froston's Athletic article:
The problem, if you are an Ipswich fan, is what a club like Brighton offers as they look for a replacement for the outgoing Robert De Zerbi. Of the clubs rumoured to be in the running, they have the most to offer. 'Big Six' jobs will always appeal for the prestige of the money. But a club with a good off-field structure, a solid reputation and the ability to act as a sensible step in a still fledgling career... it all sounds familiar to fans at Portman Road.
Leaving Ipswich for the chaos of Chelsea makes less sense - if that ever factors into a manager's thinking when they decide this. Ipswich will be prepared for the eventuality of McKenna leaving, they have known they have a prized asset for a while now. Crystal Palace showed strong interest earlier in the season before appointing Oliver Glasner and now the list is longer.
The top two comments at the time of writing are:
"Stay. Too early to derail his career by going to Chelsea. And I'm a Chelsea fan."
"I agree. And I am a Chelsea fan, too. I wish Poch had stayed :(" [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:26]
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:27 - May 23 with 968 views | gordon |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:25 - May 23 by backinbeige |
I think we're in agreement that he shouldn't go to Chelsea, but I do think they'll try. They buy young players who hold their value and tie them to long term contracts, almost entirely for financial benefit. I can imagine they'll do the same for managers.
My phone has just pinged with Nancy Froston's Athletic article:
The problem, if you are an Ipswich fan, is what a club like Brighton offers as they look for a replacement for the outgoing Robert De Zerbi. Of the clubs rumoured to be in the running, they have the most to offer. 'Big Six' jobs will always appeal for the prestige of the money. But a club with a good off-field structure, a solid reputation and the ability to act as a sensible step in a still fledgling career... it all sounds familiar to fans at Portman Road.
Leaving Ipswich for the chaos of Chelsea makes less sense - if that ever factors into a manager's thinking when they decide this. Ipswich will be prepared for the eventuality of McKenna leaving, they have known they have a prized asset for a while now. Crystal Palace showed strong interest earlier in the season before appointing Oliver Glasner and now the list is longer.
The top two comments at the time of writing are:
"Stay. Too early to derail his career by going to Chelsea. And I'm a Chelsea fan."
"I agree. And I am a Chelsea fan, too. I wish Poch had stayed :(" [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:26]
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I think he's pretty much nailed on for Chelsea now and he could do a good job there, no way he'll choose Brighton. |  | | |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:37 - May 23 with 903 views | backinbeige |
I can also see why Chelsea would want Kieran.
They would want a manager who's happy to cede control of transfers. Whilst we've spent a decent amount of money during our ascent, we've not bought a lot of players. Kieran has been lauded for developing existing players, which is what Chelsea need.
A young manager keen to prove himself would be perceived to have have less of an ego. They would be more happy to fit into an established structure to take a bigger job and make less of their own demands.
So I can see why there may be credibility in the reports that Chelsea are seriously interested in him.
But he absolutely should not go there. [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:37]
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:56 - May 23 with 855 views | gordon |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:37 - May 23 by backinbeige |
I can also see why Chelsea would want Kieran.
They would want a manager who's happy to cede control of transfers. Whilst we've spent a decent amount of money during our ascent, we've not bought a lot of players. Kieran has been lauded for developing existing players, which is what Chelsea need.
A young manager keen to prove himself would be perceived to have have less of an ego. They would be more happy to fit into an established structure to take a bigger job and make less of their own demands.
So I can see why there may be credibility in the reports that Chelsea are seriously interested in him.
But he absolutely should not go there. [Post edited 23 May 2024 10:37]
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He could be a big success there, he's exactly the kind of manager that Chelsea need, there's enough talent at Chelsea that a really good coach and tactician could work wonders.
For me the profit and sustainability rules are a big risk though - how would McKenna actually get an independent assessment of what's about to go down over the next year or two at Chelsea re player sales, points deductions etc. | | | |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 11:15 - May 23 with 799 views | backinbeige |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 10:56 - May 23 by gordon |
He could be a big success there, he's exactly the kind of manager that Chelsea need, there's enough talent at Chelsea that a really good coach and tactician could work wonders.
For me the profit and sustainability rules are a big risk though - how would McKenna actually get an independent assessment of what's about to go down over the next year or two at Chelsea re player sales, points deductions etc. |
Plus any points deductions could work to his advantage; perform poorly and there’s something else to point to, perform well whilst having points removed from you and you’re a hero. [Post edited 23 May 2024 11:19]
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 11:21 - May 23 with 763 views | gordon |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 11:15 - May 23 by backinbeige |
Plus any points deductions could work to his advantage; perform poorly and there’s something else to point to, perform well whilst having points removed from you and you’re a hero. [Post edited 23 May 2024 11:19]
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To an extent yes, but I guess the risk is that there's too high a turnover of players due to Chelsea needing to meet the rules and transfers are basically out of his hands. | | | |
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 11:44 - May 23 with 703 views | PositivelyPortman |
| Disappointed by McKenna on 06:41 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
'lessons in grace and decorum" - coming from you after this disgusting post (even worse than the OPs) based on nothing but tabloid rumour?
This place has lost its mind. |
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| Disappointed by McKenna on 12:21 - May 23 with 653 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Keep up mate. |  |
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