| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... 09:14 - May 24 with 3282 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Must have held my attention for a good 30 seconds. Inspiring leader. |  |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:15 - May 24 with 2381 views | MattinLondon |
Maybe like a young child you shouldn’t get so easily distracted. |  | | |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:17 - May 24 with 2351 views | NthYorkshireBlue |
Did Sunak’s sniping and whining during yesterday’s rounds hold your attention for longer? |  | | |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:21 - May 24 with 2309 views | DJR |
This is a good article in the Guardian (from Simon Jenkins, a traditional Tory) and I particularly liked the two passages below.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/23/keir-starmer-chang
Sunak is gambling against change. In announcing the election he pleads that state security requires continuity. He professes to be “the strongest possible protection” against a world “more dangerous than it has been since the end of the cold war”. He also hopes that the electorate will see him as a restorer of “economic stability”. To this, Starmer could hit back not with different policies but only with a change of leader, a promise to end “political chaos feeding decline”.
This illustrates just how lost the days are when Labour and Conservative fought elections from divergent ideological platforms. There is now little talk of public sector versus private, of privatisation versus nationalisation, or free markets versus price controls. Ministers and shadow ministers speak the same language, as if they had both just stepped out of the same PPE course. The only criticism they can level at each other is an exchange of tame abuse. [Post edited 24 May 9:59]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:23 - May 24 with 2296 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:17 - May 24 by NthYorkshireBlue |
Did Sunak’s sniping and whining during yesterday’s rounds hold your attention for longer? |
He doesn't get a listen obviously. | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:27 - May 24 with 2265 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:21 - May 24 by DJR |
This is a good article in the Guardian (from Simon Jenkins, a traditional Tory) and I particularly liked the two passages below.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/23/keir-starmer-chang
Sunak is gambling against change. In announcing the election he pleads that state security requires continuity. He professes to be “the strongest possible protection” against a world “more dangerous than it has been since the end of the cold war”. He also hopes that the electorate will see him as a restorer of “economic stability”. To this, Starmer could hit back not with different policies but only with a change of leader, a promise to end “political chaos feeding decline”.
This illustrates just how lost the days are when Labour and Conservative fought elections from divergent ideological platforms. There is now little talk of public sector versus private, of privatisation versus nationalisation, or free markets versus price controls. Ministers and shadow ministers speak the same language, as if they had both just stepped out of the same PPE course. The only criticism they can level at each other is an exchange of tame abuse. [Post edited 24 May 9:59]
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Last night on QT a passionate, angry and motivated woman asked why it is that Amazon workers in Coventry are on benefits while Bezos earns billions and yet Labour had promised not to increase tax on the wealthy. The blue Labour reps reply was along the lines of....."Meh" | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:29 - May 24 with 2250 views | BLUEBEAT |
Still voting for Kier.
Sh!t Labour Party but it’s one tiny step towards making Communist Britain.
Things Can Only Get Redder ✊🏼 |  |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:44 - May 24 with 2219 views | TheSweeny |
Has he worked out what a woman is yet? |  | | |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:48 - May 24 with 2183 views | Blueschev |
Did he say whether he's changed the Labour Party or not? |  | | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:06 - May 24 with 2109 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:21 - May 24 by DJR |
This is a good article in the Guardian (from Simon Jenkins, a traditional Tory) and I particularly liked the two passages below.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/23/keir-starmer-chang
Sunak is gambling against change. In announcing the election he pleads that state security requires continuity. He professes to be “the strongest possible protection” against a world “more dangerous than it has been since the end of the cold war”. He also hopes that the electorate will see him as a restorer of “economic stability”. To this, Starmer could hit back not with different policies but only with a change of leader, a promise to end “political chaos feeding decline”.
This illustrates just how lost the days are when Labour and Conservative fought elections from divergent ideological platforms. There is now little talk of public sector versus private, of privatisation versus nationalisation, or free markets versus price controls. Ministers and shadow ministers speak the same language, as if they had both just stepped out of the same PPE course. The only criticism they can level at each other is an exchange of tame abuse. [Post edited 24 May 9:59]
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It’s almost like he wants to get Labour elected, rather than spend a lifetime protesting from the sidelines.
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:13 - May 24 with 2086 views | BlueBadger |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 09:44 - May 24 by TheSweeny |
Has he worked out what a woman is yet? |
It's someone who covers their drink with their hand when people like you approach them. Hope that helps. [Post edited 24 May 10:22]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:31 - May 24 with 2020 views | DJR |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:06 - May 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s almost like he wants to get Labour elected, rather than spend a lifetime protesting from the sidelines.
Maverick. |
Maybe Labour would have been in power much more over the last 70 years had it stood on policies virtually identical to the Tories!
Whatever the position, the Labour Party is no longer what it is described as in Tony Blair's rewritten Clause IV.
"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." [Post edited 24 May 10:36]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:36 - May 24 with 1905 views | DJR |
This is rather Kafkaesque.
"Labour’s investigation into Diane Abbott’s comments about racism, which has lasted more than a year, will be completed by 4 June, Keir Starmer says.
It means Abbott’s future in the party will be decided on the same day as Labour’s deadline for its final candidate selections."
Of course, it seems obvious that Labour don't want Abbott as a candidate, but if that is the case the decision should have been made well before now.
Indeed, Starmer, as a lawyer, should well know that justice delayed is justice denied. [Post edited 24 May 12:37]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:41 - May 24 with 1861 views | positivity |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:31 - May 24 by DJR |
Maybe Labour would have been in power much more over the last 70 years had it stood on policies virtually identical to the Tories!
Whatever the position, the Labour Party is no longer what it is described as in Tony Blair's rewritten Clause IV.
"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." [Post edited 24 May 10:36]
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depends who you talk too, richard tice thinks the tories are a democratic socialist party!! | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:42 - May 24 with 1852 views | DJR |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:41 - May 24 by positivity |
depends who you talk too, richard tice thinks the tories are a democratic socialist party!! |
Yes, that is bizarre, although it does reflect a view on the right of the Tory party, and in the Telegraph, that the Tories have been insufficiently Conservative with policies like Covid support and the ban on the young smoking. [Post edited 24 May 12:45]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:45 - May 24 with 1816 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:31 - May 24 by DJR |
Maybe Labour would have been in power much more over the last 70 years had it stood on policies virtually identical to the Tories!
Whatever the position, the Labour Party is no longer what it is described as in Tony Blair's rewritten Clause IV.
"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." [Post edited 24 May 10:36]
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All the talk of "purges" and "Stalinism" under Corbyn were so far wide of the mark. In fact the opposite was true, with the likes of John McDonnell bending over backwards to appease the right of the party. It is now the least democratic it has ever been, and I think it's no coincidence that many of the New Labour ideologues were all former YCL / CPGB / Marxism Today supporters. | | | |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:59 - May 24 with 1753 views | bluelagos |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:13 - May 24 by BlueBadger |
It's someone who covers their drink with their hand when people like you approach them. Hope that helps. [Post edited 24 May 10:22]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:18 - May 24 with 1671 views | DJR |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 12:45 - May 24 by Blueschev |
All the talk of "purges" and "Stalinism" under Corbyn were so far wide of the mark. In fact the opposite was true, with the likes of John McDonnell bending over backwards to appease the right of the party. It is now the least democratic it has ever been, and I think it's no coincidence that many of the New Labour ideologues were all former YCL / CPGB / Marxism Today supporters. |
Yes, Stalinist certainly describes the way those now in control of the Labour Party have taken charge of candidate selections.
Such people are what I call "illiberal liberals" who can't countenance dissent, let alone ordinary members having a say.
Labour has until Starmer always been a broad church, but these days they have ensured there will never be a return to policies even slightly to the left of "our Wes". [Post edited 24 May 13:19]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:22 - May 24 with 1650 views | positivity |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:18 - May 24 by DJR |
Yes, Stalinist certainly describes the way those now in control of the Labour Party have taken charge of candidate selections.
Such people are what I call "illiberal liberals" who can't countenance dissent, let alone ordinary members having a say.
Labour has until Starmer always been a broad church, but these days they have ensured there will never be a return to policies even slightly to the left of "our Wes". [Post edited 24 May 13:19]
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not my experience of the labour party where i am, found it trickier under corbyn, but i agree about abbott, should have been sorted ages ago.
(also, as an itfc fan, everyone is to the left of our wes, unless axel is overlapping) | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:25 - May 24 with 1617 views | positivity |
sorry banksy, another charismatic liability along the lines of boris, corbyn or truss will be along very soon.
in the meantime can i point you to america for your entertainment | |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:25 - May 24 with 1612 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:18 - May 24 by DJR |
Yes, Stalinist certainly describes the way those now in control of the Labour Party have taken charge of candidate selections.
Such people are what I call "illiberal liberals" who can't countenance dissent, let alone ordinary members having a say.
Labour has until Starmer always been a broad church, but these days they have ensured there will never be a return to policies even slightly to the left of "our Wes". [Post edited 24 May 13:19]
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The 'bureaucratic centralism' power structure now in place will lead to an ever diminishing membership, which in turn will lead to the party having to become more and more reliant on wealthy party donors and the self interested demands that come with them. Further diluting the choice offered to the electorate. How depressing. | | | |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:28 - May 24 with 1589 views | footers |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:25 - May 24 by Blueschev |
The 'bureaucratic centralism' power structure now in place will lead to an ever diminishing membership, which in turn will lead to the party having to become more and more reliant on wealthy party donors and the self interested demands that come with them. Further diluting the choice offered to the electorate. How depressing. |
Especially once unions begin withdrawing their support and being an important part of the Labour movement.
And yet, Starmer set out to 'unite the party'. By silencing the left of it and welcoming people like Elphicke into the fold.
Well played, Keir. |  |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 14:01 - May 24 with 1531 views | DJR |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 13:22 - May 24 by positivity |
not my experience of the labour party where i am, found it trickier under corbyn, but i agree about abbott, should have been sorted ages ago.
(also, as an itfc fan, everyone is to the left of our wes, unless axel is overlapping) |
I suppose it depends on the CLP, and ours was fairly collegial despite different views on Corbyn. Indeed, as Secretary, I felt it incumbent on me to take a fairly neutral line. [Post edited 24 May 14:20]
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 17:09 - May 24 with 1393 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 10:31 - May 24 by DJR |
Maybe Labour would have been in power much more over the last 70 years had it stood on policies virtually identical to the Tories!
Whatever the position, the Labour Party is no longer what it is described as in Tony Blair's rewritten Clause IV.
"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." [Post edited 24 May 10:36]
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There’s more water between them than people are giving them credit for.
They’re proposing increasing staffing in the justice system, NHS and undertaking a stock taking of the military with a view to strengthening the military where it’s been ‘hollowed out’ by the Tories
They have plans to clamp down on inefficient and overly expensive public procurement, tackle corruption, including new powers to track down and recover funds who stole from the public purse during the Covid scandal.
They’ve plans to crack down on non doms and tax dodgers.
They’re proposing more teachers and investing in youth clubs and facilities to support young people, most of which have been closed due to Tory austerity.
If nothing else they recognise that there are big problems that the Tories have caused and there’s now a huge challenge ahead to fix things. That alone stands Labour well ahead of the Tories, who won’t even admit there are problems, lie about them and try to bury any bad news. Parties and MPs being honest about the challenges facing us is the first step towards fixing them. |  |
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| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 17:57 - May 24 with 1319 views | DJR |
| Starmer doing the rounds on telly this morning.... on 17:09 - May 24 by Swansea_Blue |
There’s more water between them than people are giving them credit for.
They’re proposing increasing staffing in the justice system, NHS and undertaking a stock taking of the military with a view to strengthening the military where it’s been ‘hollowed out’ by the Tories
They have plans to clamp down on inefficient and overly expensive public procurement, tackle corruption, including new powers to track down and recover funds who stole from the public purse during the Covid scandal.
They’ve plans to crack down on non doms and tax dodgers.
They’re proposing more teachers and investing in youth clubs and facilities to support young people, most of which have been closed due to Tory austerity.
If nothing else they recognise that there are big problems that the Tories have caused and there’s now a huge challenge ahead to fix things. That alone stands Labour well ahead of the Tories, who won’t even admit there are problems, lie about them and try to bury any bad news. Parties and MPs being honest about the challenges facing us is the first step towards fixing them. |
I wouldn't build up your hopes too much, given this from Paul Johnson of the IFS that I posted a couple of days ago.
"The numbers in the March budget, which Jeremy Hunt presented: he's talking about 1 per cent growth in public service spending over the next five years. ..... That implies really sharp cuts in most of the public sector because increases in defence and health spending will more than absorb that increase. And given that Rachel Reeves and Jeremy Hunt have signed up to precisely the same targets in terms of what should happen to debt over the next five years, that means they're both effectively signed up to those numbers. What I think concerns me about the campaign is that I don't think we are going to hear very much about that, because that leaves some really tough decisions after the election."
Having said that, Labour is the only game in town, and I agree it will be an improvement on the Tories. [Post edited 24 May 17:59]
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