| Woolfie 14:12 - Sep 15 with 8804 views | Wickets |
Was he just left out of the squad, rested or has he picked up a knock , do we know ? |  | | |  |
| Woolfie on 10:43 - Sep 16 with 2406 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Woolfie on 10:41 - Sep 16 by Jon_456 |
What a load of waffle.
Think McKenna has justified his selection by securing a clean sheet away at what could well be a top 8 team this year. |
Muric secured the clean sheet tbh |  | | |
| Woolfie on 10:46 - Sep 16 with 2401 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Woolfie on 10:33 - Sep 16 by BloomBlue |
The issue for KM re O'Shea is he needs to get him up to speed with how we play and within the defensive unit. He didn't have a preseason with us and was away during the international break. Which always meant KM was going to need to play him if he wants to get him familiar with how we play.
I don't think KM will ultimately play which players cost the most, but those that are playing the best. If O'Shea isn't performing at the level KM wants he will play Woolf. If he does select purely on who cost the most then we will be relegated.
Although given Tuanzebe's performance both could easily find themselves on the bench if one of the other RBs setups up as Tuanzebe proved on Sat he has the pace, physical strength, and footballing brain to operate easily in the Prem and could find himself at CH. |
Sorry - didn't mean McKenna will select on price tag.
Only that O'Shea has clearly been told something that has convinced him to sign a 5 year deal. And I very much doubt that was "you'll be back-up to Woolf".
Playing O'shea ahead of Woolf, even if McKenna rates them exactly the same, is man management rather than game management. That was more my point. | | | |
| Woolfie on 11:48 - Sep 16 with 2331 views | AlanG296 |
| Woolfie on 10:43 - Sep 16 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Muric secured the clean sheet tbh |
They win as a team, draw as a team, lose as a team, get a clean sheet as a team. Only way forward is as a team. As it has been since KM came, I think it's gone quite well so far. All players get upgraded or moved on eventually, KM knows that, one of his first signings was someone to upgrade the existing right back, and within months he signed 2 more who can play there. No room for sentiment, he can leave that to fans. Hope all this season's upgrade signings are successes. Trust KM, I've regularly heard that he knows exactly what we need. | | | |
| Woolfie on 12:06 - Sep 16 with 2287 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfie on 11:48 - Sep 16 by AlanG296 |
They win as a team, draw as a team, lose as a team, get a clean sheet as a team. Only way forward is as a team. As it has been since KM came, I think it's gone quite well so far. All players get upgraded or moved on eventually, KM knows that, one of his first signings was someone to upgrade the existing right back, and within months he signed 2 more who can play there. No room for sentiment, he can leave that to fans. Hope all this season's upgrade signings are successes. Trust KM, I've regularly heard that he knows exactly what we need. |
Every time I read "No room for sentiment" I find myself starting to agree with ElephantInTheRoom on some aspects which I don't like. In this one, it's that Woolfenden had played really well in the opening three games, especially Fulham, and hadn't done anything to warrant being dropped. Sentiment would be keeping him in the line up despite him making mistake after mistake. | |
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| Woolfie on 12:13 - Sep 16 with 2270 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
| Woolfie on 12:06 - Sep 16 by pointofblue |
Every time I read "No room for sentiment" I find myself starting to agree with ElephantInTheRoom on some aspects which I don't like. In this one, it's that Woolfenden had played really well in the opening three games, especially Fulham, and hadn't done anything to warrant being dropped. Sentiment would be keeping him in the line up despite him making mistake after mistake. |
Agree with this tbh - O'Shea and to a lesser extent Johnson feel like the most superfluous of the summer signings - O'Shea has pace but otherwise doesn't feel like an improvement, and his passing is definitely worse.
Johnson doesn't look to be getting in ahead of Tuanzebe and doesn't look as good as Clarke does for games where we might want a more attacking RB. All other signings feel like clear improvements or places where we really needed additional depth. | | | |
| Woolfie on 12:18 - Sep 16 with 2262 views | AlanG296 |
| Woolfie on 12:06 - Sep 16 by pointofblue |
Every time I read "No room for sentiment" I find myself starting to agree with ElephantInTheRoom on some aspects which I don't like. In this one, it's that Woolfenden had played really well in the opening three games, especially Fulham, and hadn't done anything to warrant being dropped. Sentiment would be keeping him in the line up despite him making mistake after mistake. |
Re sentiment was referring to fans, never to the pros, they know better. The manager can only pick a team for the next game, and if he makes a change which takes out a player perceived to have played well, that's part of the game. Years since we had a squad where the manager has to make such challenging decisions, KM knows exactly what we need and rightly leaves the sentiment to fans. | | | |
| Woolfie on 12:30 - Sep 16 with 2229 views | pointofblue |
| Woolfie on 12:13 - Sep 16 by SouthfieldsBlue |
Agree with this tbh - O'Shea and to a lesser extent Johnson feel like the most superfluous of the summer signings - O'Shea has pace but otherwise doesn't feel like an improvement, and his passing is definitely worse.
Johnson doesn't look to be getting in ahead of Tuanzebe and doesn't look as good as Clarke does for games where we might want a more attacking RB. All other signings feel like clear improvements or places where we really needed additional depth. |
In O'Shea's defence it was his first league game and that role is very specialised. We could have left Woolfenden in there but, if he picked up a suspension or injury, and O'Shea had to come in cold then that would have been worse for us. So I do get what McKenna means by wanting to give him time on the pitch. The fact that he is refusing to allude to, though, is he is also Woolfenden's replacement. Although that is very obvious.
We were always looking for a RCB in the window, that was clear. And understandably so - I think Edmundson may have played himself out of a cover role at Preston, albeit he was on the left then. Then the decision had to be made whether we were doing to bring in cover or a starter and move Woolfenden to cover. The decision has been made.
I thought Johnson was an excellent signing at the time on a free, and we still need him with Clarke working thought his injury issues. Tuanzebe's injury record wasn't great before joining us either. | |
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| Woolfie on 12:55 - Sep 16 with 2190 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Woolfie on 11:48 - Sep 16 by AlanG296 |
They win as a team, draw as a team, lose as a team, get a clean sheet as a team. Only way forward is as a team. As it has been since KM came, I think it's gone quite well so far. All players get upgraded or moved on eventually, KM knows that, one of his first signings was someone to upgrade the existing right back, and within months he signed 2 more who can play there. No room for sentiment, he can leave that to fans. Hope all this season's upgrade signings are successes. Trust KM, I've regularly heard that he knows exactly what we need. |
Cute sentiment but Muric did more to secure the clean sheet than Jack Clarke for instance. To pretend otherwise is a bit weird. | | | |
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| Woolfie on 15:43 - Sep 16 with 2054 views | AlanG296 |
| Woolfie on 12:55 - Sep 16 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Cute sentiment but Muric did more to secure the clean sheet than Jack Clarke for instance. To pretend otherwise is a bit weird. |
Not a sentiment but fact. That's how football has always gone and always will. One game one player will do something that grabs attention and so gets acclaimed as a match winner or match saver, another game another will get the acclaim. Muric, as he said himself, did his job. It only got acclaim because in loads of situations, other players did their job too. Every bit of a game matters. | | | |
| Woolfie on 16:33 - Sep 16 with 2004 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Woolfie on 15:43 - Sep 16 by AlanG296 |
Not a sentiment but fact. That's how football has always gone and always will. One game one player will do something that grabs attention and so gets acclaimed as a match winner or match saver, another game another will get the acclaim. Muric, as he said himself, did his job. It only got acclaim because in loads of situations, other players did their job too. Every bit of a game matters. |
So we're actually agreeing with one another?
In this game it was Muric that contributed to the clean sheet more than anyone else. | | | |
| Woolfie on 01:31 - Sep 17 with 1848 views | vinceg |
Woolf and Burgess were warming up pre-game with the subs. Inclusion by McKenna despite their exclusion from the matchday squad. |  | | |
| Woolfie on 06:37 - Sep 17 with 1803 views | Len_Brennan |
McKenna wants to have 2 options, ready & integrated into how we play, for each position in his squad, along with a few other more adaptable players as cover.
O'Shea & Woolfenden are the RCB options, but O'Shea hadn't been integrated due to his late arrival & being away on international duty.
Does McKenna see him as his preferred starter for the rest of the season? Probably, given O'Shea's speed, and the fact that McKenna chased him for much of the summer, which can't have been easy due to the aforementioned speed!
Woolfie has had an impressive start to life in the Premier League though, and I'd imagine he'll still get plenty of minutes over the course of the season. | | | |
| Woolfie on 07:28 - Sep 17 with 1724 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Woolfie on 10:41 - Sep 16 by Jon_456 |
What a load of waffle.
Think McKenna has justified his selection by securing a clean sheet away at what could well be a top 8 team this year. |
Exactly. This thread is really frustrating. Woolfenden is a quality Centre Back and nothing and that doesn't change. However we are in the premier League and in every department we have to improve either organically (players improving year on year) or by acquisition. McKenna knows Woolf's game inside out. He knows he can do a job in the premier League and he's excellent on the ball. He also knows he has some weaknesses (pace and a few other bits). McKenna identified it as an area to upgrade and strengthen. Doesn't mean Woolfenden won't have the possibility and potential to up his game and win a place. But O'shea has some exceptional attributes. He's potentially the quickest or one of the quickest defenders in the league. He's very good at attacking the ball proactively (scores a fair few from corners etc). Good with his feet - will need time to fit the system and understand our play though coming from Burnley style helps.
That's all there is to it. Love Woolf but it is just about having the best team we can build now. No different to how Chaplin's role has changed. | |
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| Woolfie on 18:57 - Sep 21 with 1361 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Woolfie on 10:41 - Sep 16 by Jon_456 |
What a load of waffle.
Think McKenna has justified his selection by securing a clean sheet away at what could well be a top 8 team this year. |
Come back to this thread at the end of the season. O'Shea dire today. | | | |
| Woolfie on 19:25 - Sep 21 with 1316 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Woolfie on 18:57 - Sep 21 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Come back to this thread at the end of the season. O'Shea dire today. |
I would say "dire" is a bit strong. Not at his best but hardly dire. The only goal we conceded was from a poor clearance from one of our best performers this season, Tuanzebe, and a wild swing by our best central defender this season, Greaves. |  |
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| Woolfie on 19:50 - Sep 21 with 1264 views | ArnieM |
| Woolfie on 01:10 - Sep 16 by Bugs |
Greaves is without doubt a better defender than Burgess (please don't take this as Burgess knocking, he is and always will be an ITFC legend after the last two seasons). But so far I don't see that gap of class between Woolfie and O'Shea. I think that right-hand CB spot is up for grabs. It really wouldn't surprise me if come April /May, Woolfie has made that position his. |
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| Woolfie on 19:55 - Sep 21 with 1235 views | BarcaBlue |
| Woolfie on 19:50 - Sep 21 by ArnieM |
LOL |
I don't see the joke, that's a fair assessment. We haven't seen enough of O'Shea yet but Greaves is a step up on Burgess and O'Shea hasn't shown yet that he's a step up from Woolfie. Still too early to say maybe but I don't see anything to laugh at in that opinion. |  | | |
| Woolfie on 19:39 - Oct 19 with 740 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Are you kiddies ready to have this conversation properly yet?
Woolf and Greaves should be the nailed on pair. | | | |
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