| Evette Cooper 08:03 - Oct 10 with 9609 views | onceablue |
What an idiot
Are Taylor swift tickets really that elusive that you arrange a police escort normally only given to the Royal family
And she is married to Ed Balls - Norwich Scummer
This Labour Party are really doing themselves proud!!!!!!!
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| Evette Cooper on 21:01 - Oct 11 with 1006 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Evette Cooper on 18:06 - Oct 11 by Zapers |
Yep the real world, something that you have no connection with. |
You don't even appear to know what the phrase 'world of his own' means. |  |
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| Evette Cooper on 08:48 - Oct 12 with 864 views | Zapers |
| Evette Cooper on 19:18 - Oct 11 by reusersfreekicks |
Just such rubbish it hardly deserves highlighting. This govt may be a lot of things but hard left isn't one of them.
If anything it's just right of centre.
Only hard right would say that. |
And yet you can’t resist responding.
Try reading what I wrote, I never said this government are hard left, I said the government have to appease those within that are hard left.
You know, the corbyn fan club type. | | | |
| Evette Cooper on 08:59 - Oct 12 with 855 views | WeWereZombies |
| Evette Cooper on 08:48 - Oct 12 by Zapers |
And yet you can’t resist responding.
Try reading what I wrote, I never said this government are hard left, I said the government have to appease those within that are hard left.
You know, the corbyn fan club type. |
But wasn't one of the worst things about the last Government that they became submerged in an internal party conflict that saw zealots drive out the decent one nation Conservatives ?
If this Labour Government can balance all the voices within the party and in so doing so bring about more equal representation of the people then that is not appeasement, it is democracy. |  |
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| Evette Cooper on 09:25 - Oct 12 with 825 views | Zapers |
| Evette Cooper on 08:59 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
But wasn't one of the worst things about the last Government that they became submerged in an internal party conflict that saw zealots drive out the decent one nation Conservatives ?
If this Labour Government can balance all the voices within the party and in so doing so bring about more equal representation of the people then that is not appeasement, it is democracy. |
I wouldn’t disagree, however it’s a very, very big If;) | | | |
| Evette Cooper on 09:44 - Oct 12 with 807 views | DJR |
| Evette Cooper on 08:48 - Oct 12 by Zapers |
And yet you can’t resist responding.
Try reading what I wrote, I never said this government are hard left, I said the government have to appease those within that are hard left.
You know, the corbyn fan club type. |
Under Starmer, Labour have disparaged and excluded the hard left, so why they would need to appease the hard left is difficult to fathom. |  | | |
| Evette Cooper on 09:51 - Oct 12 with 795 views | WeWereZombies |
| Evette Cooper on 09:44 - Oct 12 by DJR |
Under Starmer, Labour have disparaged and excluded the hard left, so why they would need to appease the hard left is difficult to fathom. |
As I said i my most recent post, allowing a voice to the left in the party is not appeasement, it is democracy. And Starmer could do with exercising a little more of it. What Zapers does not seem to be taking on board at the moment is the degree of appeasement that a press in the pocket of media moguls (and that includes an increasingly right wing BBC) who can make a difficult job worse. So I guess the other aspect of democracy that is required is for all of us ordinary people to become more demanding of veracity and moral worth in how reporting is presented to us and to demand an agenda that improves the lot of the common woman...and common man. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 19:14]
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| Evette Cooper on 10:28 - Oct 12 with 773 views | Zapers |
| Evette Cooper on 09:44 - Oct 12 by DJR |
Under Starmer, Labour have disparaged and excluded the hard left, so why they would need to appease the hard left is difficult to fathom. |
So you also actively discourage members on the hard left being represented?
Doesn’t sound much of a democracy to me. | | | |
| Evette Cooper on 11:02 - Oct 12 with 753 views | DJR |
| Evette Cooper on 10:28 - Oct 12 by Zapers |
So you also actively discourage members on the hard left being represented?
Doesn’t sound much of a democracy to me. |
You're preaching to the converted! And I wouldn't regard myself as hard left. But I, along with some very decent people from the soft left I know, have left the party because of its drift to the right and control freakery.
EDIT: when it comes to candidate selections here's an article last year from Michael Crick, with a couple of extracts below. Indeed, his reference to yes-men and women is perhaps one reason why they've got into the mess they have done because surely, for example, a minister on the left would have challenged the decision on the winter fuel allowance?
https://unherd.com/2023/06/starmer-will-regret-purging-the-left/
"At the same time, of the 123 new Labour candidates so far chosen to stand in vacated or target seats, only two are firmly on the Left: Faiza Shaheen, an economist who will again challenge Iain Duncan Smith in Chingford and Woodford Green, and Chris Webb in Blackpool South."
"Under the Akehurst criteria, it’s unthinkable that Neil Kinnock, John Prescott, Clare Short and Robin Cook, all of whom were rebels in their early careers, would be selected. Nor do I think Angela Rayner, the party’s deputy leader, would get on the Labour list today — she couldn’t be described as a Corbynite, but her trade-union background would make her suspect to some of those working for Starmer.
Past Labour governments, by contrast, have always thrived on being a “broad church”. Attlee’s cabinet counted Nye Bevan and Stafford Cripps among its towering figures, yet both had suffered periods of expulsion from the party only a few years before. Wilson’s benefited from the presence of Dick Crossman and Barbara Castle; Callaghan had Tony Benn and Michael Foot (another former expellee), while Blair’s deputy John Prescott had been one of the “tightly knit group of politically motivated men” denounced by Wilson during the 1966 seamen’s strike.
As the experiences of both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss demonstrated, it’s a mistake to confine one’s government to a narrow band of loyal yes-men and women. Cabinet government needs the odd maverick, people who are willing to come up with alternative ideas and scrutinise and challenge existing policy. “Keir is blocking off his exits,” a former Corbyn aide recently told him. “You need some people who are creating space, and who enable the party to be a bit bolder.” [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 12:00]
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| Evette Cooper on 13:00 - Oct 12 with 663 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Evette Cooper on 10:28 - Oct 12 by Zapers |
So you also actively discourage members on the hard left being represented?
Doesn’t sound much of a democracy to me. |
Make your mind up. Are the government appeasing the hard left or discouraging them being represented? | |
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| Evette Cooper on 14:42 - Oct 12 with 607 views | Zapers |
| Evette Cooper on 13:00 - Oct 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Make your mind up. Are the government appeasing the hard left or discouraging them being represented? |
I know it’s challenging for you to comprehend, but it’s really not that difficult. | | | |
| Evette Cooper on 20:24 - Oct 12 with 519 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Evette Cooper on 14:42 - Oct 12 by Zapers |
I know it’s challenging for you to comprehend, but it’s really not that difficult. |
Well you've suggested both in this thread, so it's clearly you who's finding things difficult. | |
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