| Not here to write us off 12:56 - Oct 21 with 1916 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
I thought we lacked quality on Saturday. Mistakes happen but the goals we are conceding are just so basic. The mistake Burns made for the 1st goal would get punished at L2 level, let alone in the Prem.
I'd like us to start making runs in behind. I don't think we've got the quality to always try and break teams down at this level without mixing it up a touch. I think Szmodics should start because he does just this - a reminder of his goal at Man City was breaking beyond the defence.
I felt we played into the way Everton wanted to defend with everything in front of their back 4. I think there was the Clarke chance in the first 5mins where we threatened in behind with Burns making the run and created a chance from it, but then we didn't do it again.
It will be interesting to see what we do at Brentford. They defend similarly to Everton. |  |
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| Not here to write us off on 13:10 - Oct 21 with 1814 views | Metal_Hacker |
For me personally there was so much wrong with Saturday , some our fault some not
As per the commentary I heard , we used our 26th player in 8 games. Not all our fault I admit but doesn’t bode well for forming partnerships. We more than most as a fanbase understand the positives from partnerships - Burns / Chaplin ..Burgess / Woolfy etc. Not suggesting they should still be our partnerships just making comparison.
I still have my doubts about Muric and his feet but I think we still need to persevere
With Axel out I personally would try Harry if he’s up to speed or perhaps keep O’Shea
Midfield for me is where we’re struggling quite a bit. I have no issue with Sam or Phillips playing their positions but they are very similar and yes I know Sam and Luongo were as well but there were subtle differences to my eye at least
Out wide is where I honestly believe we are struggling. Clarke on Saturday was a passenger unfortunately and Wes , perhaps being played differently I know , has lost that edge / confidence to beat his man
In front of them we all for the most keep saying Hutch should be wide right < I tend to agree because we looked so much better with his there the last 15-20 mins Saturday. Sammy should be central 10 with Broadhead if he’s 100% our left sided maybe
We need to get back to playing football in the opposition’s half a little more and press the play in the opponents part of the pitch. Seems to be huge gaps between the lines when we get broken on.
The level of football and skill set is like nothing else we’ve witnessed in the last two seasons. Watching Premier League before this season I didn’t really have a true perspective of how good and how quick it was. Now I see MY team playing in it , it’s way higher than I ever noticed before
It’s not going to be easy but if someone can , KMcK can
COYFB !!! |  |
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| Not here to write us off on 13:25 - Oct 21 with 1780 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Not here to write us off on 13:10 - Oct 21 by Metal_Hacker |
For me personally there was so much wrong with Saturday , some our fault some not
As per the commentary I heard , we used our 26th player in 8 games. Not all our fault I admit but doesn’t bode well for forming partnerships. We more than most as a fanbase understand the positives from partnerships - Burns / Chaplin ..Burgess / Woolfy etc. Not suggesting they should still be our partnerships just making comparison.
I still have my doubts about Muric and his feet but I think we still need to persevere
With Axel out I personally would try Harry if he’s up to speed or perhaps keep O’Shea
Midfield for me is where we’re struggling quite a bit. I have no issue with Sam or Phillips playing their positions but they are very similar and yes I know Sam and Luongo were as well but there were subtle differences to my eye at least
Out wide is where I honestly believe we are struggling. Clarke on Saturday was a passenger unfortunately and Wes , perhaps being played differently I know , has lost that edge / confidence to beat his man
In front of them we all for the most keep saying Hutch should be wide right < I tend to agree because we looked so much better with his there the last 15-20 mins Saturday. Sammy should be central 10 with Broadhead if he’s 100% our left sided maybe
We need to get back to playing football in the opposition’s half a little more and press the play in the opponents part of the pitch. Seems to be huge gaps between the lines when we get broken on.
The level of football and skill set is like nothing else we’ve witnessed in the last two seasons. Watching Premier League before this season I didn’t really have a true perspective of how good and how quick it was. Now I see MY team playing in it , it’s way higher than I ever noticed before
It’s not going to be easy but if someone can , KMcK can
COYFB !!! |
I agree with most of your points there.
If Harry Clarke can, then I would like to see him start RB Saturday. I imagine he's being carefully managed though. O'Shea is a good centre back but he's not a right back.
With Morsy and Phillips, I take your point on them being too similar. I don't think Phillips plays forwards much. He's got a nice switch of play on him though, but I wonder how many passes he's made into the 10 or left sided 10? I wouldn't mind Morsy being given a bit more licence to get forward with Phillips holding.
We do lack quality on the wings. Burns has reached his ceiling for me, which is not a criticism at all. He's a Championship winger having a go in the Prem but he's not a threat for full backs. Jack Clarke looks lost. Perhaps he would be better off as the central 10 in our system - more freedom positionally, draw in fouls? Perhaps Omari should move to the right where he can take on a full back instead of running into traffic centrally? | |
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| Not here to write us off on 13:54 - Oct 21 with 1692 views | billlm |
| Not here to write us off on 13:25 - Oct 21 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
I agree with most of your points there.
If Harry Clarke can, then I would like to see him start RB Saturday. I imagine he's being carefully managed though. O'Shea is a good centre back but he's not a right back.
With Morsy and Phillips, I take your point on them being too similar. I don't think Phillips plays forwards much. He's got a nice switch of play on him though, but I wonder how many passes he's made into the 10 or left sided 10? I wouldn't mind Morsy being given a bit more licence to get forward with Phillips holding.
We do lack quality on the wings. Burns has reached his ceiling for me, which is not a criticism at all. He's a Championship winger having a go in the Prem but he's not a threat for full backs. Jack Clarke looks lost. Perhaps he would be better off as the central 10 in our system - more freedom positionally, draw in fouls? Perhaps Omari should move to the right where he can take on a full back instead of running into traffic centrally? |
Lots of good points on this thread,
100% omari at this level at this time in his very short career is a ten,
He's much better wide, but on the right he always has to check back to cross with his left that's a bit of a problem prem defenders know this, his quick feet is the only thing down the side of the penalty area makes the defender omari dosent know where he's going how would they,
If he ends back on the bench that's ok for me one hell of an impact player coming on, McK will get it right but might be painful for a few who came here or expected to start all the time, Somewhere SS and cajuste cajuste especially need to be in, |  | | |
| Not here to write us off on 15:00 - Oct 21 with 1518 views | homer_123 |
| Not here to write us off on 13:10 - Oct 21 by Metal_Hacker |
For me personally there was so much wrong with Saturday , some our fault some not
As per the commentary I heard , we used our 26th player in 8 games. Not all our fault I admit but doesn’t bode well for forming partnerships. We more than most as a fanbase understand the positives from partnerships - Burns / Chaplin ..Burgess / Woolfy etc. Not suggesting they should still be our partnerships just making comparison.
I still have my doubts about Muric and his feet but I think we still need to persevere
With Axel out I personally would try Harry if he’s up to speed or perhaps keep O’Shea
Midfield for me is where we’re struggling quite a bit. I have no issue with Sam or Phillips playing their positions but they are very similar and yes I know Sam and Luongo were as well but there were subtle differences to my eye at least
Out wide is where I honestly believe we are struggling. Clarke on Saturday was a passenger unfortunately and Wes , perhaps being played differently I know , has lost that edge / confidence to beat his man
In front of them we all for the most keep saying Hutch should be wide right < I tend to agree because we looked so much better with his there the last 15-20 mins Saturday. Sammy should be central 10 with Broadhead if he’s 100% our left sided maybe
We need to get back to playing football in the opposition’s half a little more and press the play in the opponents part of the pitch. Seems to be huge gaps between the lines when we get broken on.
The level of football and skill set is like nothing else we’ve witnessed in the last two seasons. Watching Premier League before this season I didn’t really have a true perspective of how good and how quick it was. Now I see MY team playing in it , it’s way higher than I ever noticed before
It’s not going to be easy but if someone can , KMcK can
COYFB !!! |
Just a small point but Burns has rarely 'beaten his man' in a skill/ technical sense. That lies with Hutch.
We use Burns for the ball in behind - he needs space to run. Either knocking the ball past the defender or running onto a ball.
Taking Burns in isolation - we are playing balls into his feet and he's dropping off the defender to receive the pass. I think this is an issue with a more circumspect approach in that Burns is ensuring (as per instruction) that he can cover defensively.
He can't play on the shoulder of the last defender and provide cover for the right back.
When Hutch came across and played wide, he was allowed to play higher up as we were chasing the game. |  |
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| Not here to write us off on 15:26 - Oct 21 with 1419 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Not here to write us off on 15:00 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Just a small point but Burns has rarely 'beaten his man' in a skill/ technical sense. That lies with Hutch.
We use Burns for the ball in behind - he needs space to run. Either knocking the ball past the defender or running onto a ball.
Taking Burns in isolation - we are playing balls into his feet and he's dropping off the defender to receive the pass. I think this is an issue with a more circumspect approach in that Burns is ensuring (as per instruction) that he can cover defensively.
He can't play on the shoulder of the last defender and provide cover for the right back.
When Hutch came across and played wide, he was allowed to play higher up as we were chasing the game. |
Does he need Chaplin to get the best out of himself? They've always had a good link up and Chaplin was very good at finding Burns in behind. I don't think it's Omari's game to play those type of passes. | |
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| Not here to write us off on 15:37 - Oct 21 with 1358 views | homer_123 |
| Not here to write us off on 15:26 - Oct 21 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Does he need Chaplin to get the best out of himself? They've always had a good link up and Chaplin was very good at finding Burns in behind. I don't think it's Omari's game to play those type of passes. |
Herein lies the quandary.
Long term, Hutch looks every in a CAM player, in that hole finding space etc etc
Right now, he is more effective for us out wide. So, do we drop Chappers in there, who's form did dip and fall away last season and he hasn't been quite as effective as he once was but, as you rightly say, he and Burns linked up so well.
Or does Sammy get a chance?
Or do you drop Burns and pop Hutch there? | |
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| Not here to write us off on 15:41 - Oct 21 with 1337 views | billlm |
| Not here to write us off on 15:26 - Oct 21 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Does he need Chaplin to get the best out of himself? They've always had a good link up and Chaplin was very good at finding Burns in behind. I don't think it's Omari's game to play those type of passes. |
Not sure where either fit ATM,
Most wingers are hit and miss at the best of times but burns is struggling at this level, can't play off a defenders shoulder, so the ball he needs yes chaplin was the supplier but he's not good enough at this level to start I'm afraid( actually thought he did well Saturday),
All the changes of persobell seems to have ripped the heart and friendship from a 30 month development, for me a big problem,
We wanted premiership we have it, for how long remains to be seen, for me we can't get to the next international break without a win, we all have our thoughts mine is if CAJUSTE is not fit and starting every game my head tells me where we will end up, | | | |
| Not here to write us off on 15:43 - Oct 21 with 1327 views | homer_123 |
| Not here to write us off on 15:41 - Oct 21 by billlm |
Not sure where either fit ATM,
Most wingers are hit and miss at the best of times but burns is struggling at this level, can't play off a defenders shoulder, so the ball he needs yes chaplin was the supplier but he's not good enough at this level to start I'm afraid( actually thought he did well Saturday),
All the changes of persobell seems to have ripped the heart and friendship from a 30 month development, for me a big problem,
We wanted premiership we have it, for how long remains to be seen, for me we can't get to the next international break without a win, we all have our thoughts mine is if CAJUSTE is not fit and starting every game my head tells me where we will end up, |
"All the changes of persobell seems to have ripped the heart and friendship from a 30 month development"
I think that's an over exaggeration.
It was never going to stay exactly the same unless we left the squad as it was. We, rightly, chose to not do that and bring in players - therefore it was going to change. Some of the lads that helped us here were not going to make it (in fact, in all honestly, most them) at this level.
That's a cold hard fact. | |
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| Not here to write us off on 15:47 - Oct 21 with 1311 views | billlm |
| Not here to write us off on 15:43 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
"All the changes of persobell seems to have ripped the heart and friendship from a 30 month development"
I think that's an over exaggeration.
It was never going to stay exactly the same unless we left the squad as it was. We, rightly, chose to not do that and bring in players - therefore it was going to change. Some of the lads that helped us here were not going to make it (in fact, in all honestly, most them) at this level.
That's a cold hard fact. |
I'm not saying we didn't have to do it but the friendship and cohesion on the pitch wasn't going to be replaced after 30 months of building,
This will take time, do we have time, that's each to have there own opinions, not meant to offend, | | | |
| Not here to write us off on 15:57 - Oct 21 with 1271 views | homer_123 |
| Not here to write us off on 15:47 - Oct 21 by billlm |
I'm not saying we didn't have to do it but the friendship and cohesion on the pitch wasn't going to be replaced after 30 months of building,
This will take time, do we have time, that's each to have there own opinions, not meant to offend, |
No offence taken fella. | |
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| Not here to write us off on 16:03 - Oct 21 with 1240 views | cressi |
| Not here to write us off on 13:10 - Oct 21 by Metal_Hacker |
For me personally there was so much wrong with Saturday , some our fault some not
As per the commentary I heard , we used our 26th player in 8 games. Not all our fault I admit but doesn’t bode well for forming partnerships. We more than most as a fanbase understand the positives from partnerships - Burns / Chaplin ..Burgess / Woolfy etc. Not suggesting they should still be our partnerships just making comparison.
I still have my doubts about Muric and his feet but I think we still need to persevere
With Axel out I personally would try Harry if he’s up to speed or perhaps keep O’Shea
Midfield for me is where we’re struggling quite a bit. I have no issue with Sam or Phillips playing their positions but they are very similar and yes I know Sam and Luongo were as well but there were subtle differences to my eye at least
Out wide is where I honestly believe we are struggling. Clarke on Saturday was a passenger unfortunately and Wes , perhaps being played differently I know , has lost that edge / confidence to beat his man
In front of them we all for the most keep saying Hutch should be wide right < I tend to agree because we looked so much better with his there the last 15-20 mins Saturday. Sammy should be central 10 with Broadhead if he’s 100% our left sided maybe
We need to get back to playing football in the opposition’s half a little more and press the play in the opponents part of the pitch. Seems to be huge gaps between the lines when we get broken on.
The level of football and skill set is like nothing else we’ve witnessed in the last two seasons. Watching Premier League before this season I didn’t really have a true perspective of how good and how quick it was. Now I see MY team playing in it , it’s way higher than I ever noticed before
It’s not going to be easy but if someone can , KMcK can
COYFB !!! |
We never played a good ball behind the full back all afternoon for Burns to chase he never has really beat people it's about pace over short distances..
Last 2 games we have been poor St best it is concerning Apart from Delap we don't look like scoring
We will see what happens but I'm far less confident. |  | | |
| Not here to write us off on 16:18 - Oct 21 with 1170 views | farkenhell |
An excellent and balanced summary. | | | |
| Not here to write us off on 16:23 - Oct 21 with 1153 views | bluesbrothers |
Controversial BUT... as good as Delap has been as an individual, I'm not sure he's doing much to help the team. By that I don't mean he's not trying to - his pressing is great etc. It's more I'm not sure how good he is/has been at bringing others in to play. He often seems to be just charging at goal with the ball or absolutely bulldozing them!
Clearly not ignoring the positives he's bought, and very interested to see if I'm completely on my own with this one. | | | |
| Not here to write us off on 16:23 - Oct 21 with 1145 views | farkenhell |
| Not here to write us off on 15:26 - Oct 21 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Does he need Chaplin to get the best out of himself? They've always had a good link up and Chaplin was very good at finding Burns in behind. I don't think it's Omari's game to play those type of passes. |
Slightly pedantic I know, but Omari did play in Burns for the chance he created on 5 minutes.
I would like to see Omari start on the right with Harry Clarke encouraged to make those overlapping runs. Bring on Burns after 60 or so minutes, when there may be more space behind the full back. | | | |
| Not here to write us off on 16:25 - Oct 21 with 1137 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Not here to write us off on 15:00 - Oct 21 by homer_123 |
Just a small point but Burns has rarely 'beaten his man' in a skill/ technical sense. That lies with Hutch.
We use Burns for the ball in behind - he needs space to run. Either knocking the ball past the defender or running onto a ball.
Taking Burns in isolation - we are playing balls into his feet and he's dropping off the defender to receive the pass. I think this is an issue with a more circumspect approach in that Burns is ensuring (as per instruction) that he can cover defensively.
He can't play on the shoulder of the last defender and provide cover for the right back.
When Hutch came across and played wide, he was allowed to play higher up as we were chasing the game. |
Spot on.
This is what I meant recently about us playing with fear and not just playing our best football we are imo worrying to much about the opposition.
I don't know what we expect burns to do when he's not allowed to pass the halfway line.
Also. When I was watching grealish on Sunday.. that's what clarke needs to be doing. Hugging that touchline high and wide.
For me me rely on davis to be his usual creative self. That's fine in a way but not when you're then restricting what clarke can do and trying to turn him into that inverting winger/10 role.
Our best performances have come from us getting at teams. Always has been. Especially and more so at home.
Away from home sure. Sit back. Soak it up and try and nick a win. But at home let's get at them for 60 minutes. Then bring the finishes on to see it home. |  |
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