| The ongoing Muric analysis 10:03 - Nov 11 with 5326 views | bsw72 |
The whole Muric debate is interesting, and a lot of it is about perception with people seeing and interpreting based on previous experience. With goalkeepers, people generally *only* remember mistakes especially if the mistakes lead to goals and the team are not winning games. There are anomolies such as Gordon Banks, but in the day of 24x7 coverage and micro analysis, this is now as rare as unicorn crap.
Muric made some very obvious mistakes which led to goals in his early Town career, and these are what people are remembering, so whenever he does something slightly wrong now, the error is magnified, especially as we are now at a higher level where the opportunities to "offset" any errors by the forwards are limited.
I remember Walton making a number of mistakes in the League One season and Hladcky doing the same last year - but it mattered less as we generally came away with the points as we were able to outscore opponents, therefore the memory of those errors is significantly softened.
The other interesting one is whether he is "commanding" his area. My thought again is possibly not as well as he could, but again I think there are mitigations. Not only is the Goalkeeper new this season, but also at times half or even 75% of the defence is new. For a goalkeeper it is essential to understand how the defenders all play and work together and subsequently build the relationship. Worth noting that he has claimed more high balls in the PL this season than any other keeper . . .
You can only do so much in training, as player behaviour differs significantly in match situations, therefore while Muric behaviours gets a significant focus when the ball is ion the area, there is without doubt an element of the other defenders not taking control and doing the same.
The one thing we have in Muric that is becoming clearer and clearer is an excellent shot stopper, especially in 1-1 situations, and that for me is the biggest positive and the primary role for a keeper, as it tends to be instinctive, vs things like passing and ability on the ball which can be taught.
I personally think that the benefits of Muric far outweigh the areas he needs to develop, and as we play more games with the defenders getting used to each other, he will become an integral cog in the ITFC machine. Remember McKenna rarely buys players for the immediate, he uses loans for that, he buys players bevcause he knows they are good, but can see potential to develop and grow them.
The less the fans react negatively or apprehensively to Muric the better he will become. |  | | |  |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 06:39 - Nov 12 with 775 views | bluesym |
It hasn't helped Muric that a fair few town fans have been massively overstating Hladkys ability. The same Hladky that is now sat on the bench week in,week out in the championship. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 7:05]
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 06:50 - Nov 12 with 742 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Supporters love to single out a player from their own team to bully and abuse. In the past it tended to be full backs such as Graham Harbey or Matt Richards. But a goalie will do nicely.
The curious trend for managers to select goalies who can use their feet rather than be a goalkeeper and make saves is bound to result in high profile mistakes. But in those far off days when goalkeepers were there to keep goal it was still a position where every error could be blatant. Those with long memories who remember a football club at Portman Road that Town’s best ever goalie, David Best, started off with a real howler against Everton.
Compare that to being a striker who can fluff his toke with impunity and be praised because you have to be there to miss them. |  |
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 06:56 - Nov 12 with 738 views | witchdoctor |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 06:39 - Nov 12 by bluesym |
It hasn't helped Muric that a fair few town fans have been massively overstating Hladkys ability. The same Hladky that is now sat on the bench week in,week out in the championship. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 7:05]
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did he?….I thought he started every game in the league last season. |  | | |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 07:05 - Nov 12 with 723 views | bluesym |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 06:56 - Nov 12 by witchdoctor |
did he?….I thought he started every game in the league last season. |
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 08:26 - Nov 12 with 682 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 12:44 - Nov 11 by _clive_baker_ |
Agree with that. The one he made low to his right against Brentford was an excellent save at 3-2 and kept us in the game. Another smart one with his leg from Solanke yesterday at 2-1. In the 5 games we've drawn he's also made some good stops in most of them. |
He made it almost impossible for Solanke to score. Stayed tall, stayed big and made a block with his body. The angle went against Solanke in the end but the save needed to be made.
For £8m, it's good business when you consider his Man City background and experience with Burnley playing a similar way under Kompany before coming here.
I'm not really sure what other keepers there were on our radar other than Rushworth, but he didn't have the experience at Prem level.
When you see Ramsdale go for £18m, James Trafford was £15m+ to Burnley, Sam Johnstone was £10m to Wolves etc, we've done well. |  |
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 08:47 - Nov 12 with 654 views | itfcjoe |
I loved Hladky last year, and he is absolutely superb with his feet - but Muric's shot stopping and ability to come and claim crosses are on an absolute different level to VH's and VH would be being eaten alive in this league in my view at times.
Obviously footwork in this league is much harder than in the Champ, so would be interesting to see how Hladky compared, and we don't ever dominate possession like we did last year at times so it's a very different game.
Muric will make errors, but he's definitely a net positive at the moment - any game where we have got points he has made massive contributions to that |  |
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 11:13 - Nov 12 with 552 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 08:47 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
I loved Hladky last year, and he is absolutely superb with his feet - but Muric's shot stopping and ability to come and claim crosses are on an absolute different level to VH's and VH would be being eaten alive in this league in my view at times.
Obviously footwork in this league is much harder than in the Champ, so would be interesting to see how Hladky compared, and we don't ever dominate possession like we did last year at times so it's a very different game.
Muric will make errors, but he's definitely a net positive at the moment - any game where we have got points he has made massive contributions to that |
Spot on. And to confirm your first point - Hladky stopped 5.5% of crosses into our penalty box last season (see below) compared to Muric's 16.9% this season. As far as raw numbers go, Muric has stopped 25 crosses in 10 games compared to Hladky's 33 in 46 games!
https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/2023-2024/2023-2024-Championship-Stats#all_stats_s
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 11:13]
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 11:22 - Nov 12 with 542 views | JakeITFC |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 08:47 - Nov 12 by itfcjoe |
I loved Hladky last year, and he is absolutely superb with his feet - but Muric's shot stopping and ability to come and claim crosses are on an absolute different level to VH's and VH would be being eaten alive in this league in my view at times.
Obviously footwork in this league is much harder than in the Champ, so would be interesting to see how Hladky compared, and we don't ever dominate possession like we did last year at times so it's a very different game.
Muric will make errors, but he's definitely a net positive at the moment - any game where we have got points he has made massive contributions to that |
Plus I think Hladky's impact with the ball was much greater in the first half of the season but once teams had seen us for a few months the press had changed and Muric is the victim of that now imo, better analysis/coaching/players at this level too to just take it up another level.
FWIW I think Muric is an upgrade but still lots of room for improvement in terms of decision making and trust between him and the back four. A couple of times that Morsy or a CB got into him on Sunday for a poor decision, but hopefully that improves over time. I guess they won't have played tonnes of football together but you'd have hoped him and O'Shea had a bit of a better understanding. |  | | |
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| The ongoing Muric analysis on 11:43 - Nov 12 with 494 views | Steve_M |
| The ongoing Muric analysis on 11:22 - Nov 12 by JakeITFC |
Plus I think Hladky's impact with the ball was much greater in the first half of the season but once teams had seen us for a few months the press had changed and Muric is the victim of that now imo, better analysis/coaching/players at this level too to just take it up another level.
FWIW I think Muric is an upgrade but still lots of room for improvement in terms of decision making and trust between him and the back four. A couple of times that Morsy or a CB got into him on Sunday for a poor decision, but hopefully that improves over time. I guess they won't have played tonnes of football together but you'd have hoped him and O'Shea had a bit of a better understanding. |
"I think Hladky's impact with the ball was much greater in the first half of the season but once teams had seen us for a few months the press had changed and Muric is the victim of that now imo"
Yes, this bit is key and missed in a lot of the comparisons.
It's definitely not helped changing the defence as often as we have needed to this season either. By last season we could slot Edmundson in for Burgess for specific games with ease and change the emphasis on the right if required, but that understanding already existed. |  |
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