| Assad gone 07:57 - Dec 8 with 8217 views | Guthrum |
Hopefully the Syrian rebels stick to their moderate line, can cooperate and the future is brighter for that nation. |  |
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| Assad gone on 18:06 - Dec 9 with 1913 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Assad gone on 16:16 - Dec 9 by Europablue |
I can't work out how to post an image, but you can check it out here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Wales
There is a distinct difference.
In general the spread of languages is limited by geography. Welsh is very distinct from English as languages go. |
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| Assad gone on 18:12 - Dec 9 with 1890 views | chicoazul |
All these uprisings and revolutions in the last few years in the Middle East and North Africa have been excellent and provided very positive outcomes so I’m sure this will be the same. |  |
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| Assad gone on 19:05 - Dec 9 with 1823 views | Europablue |
| Assad gone on 17:55 - Dec 9 by eireblue |
Well, you didn’t really put an idea out there.
You stated something as fact.
“ Seeing as Syria is not a natural country”
Without really defining what a “natural country” is initially, and then being rather nebulous in your definition. Size of island and defensibility seem to come into play. Which would be rather a shame for non-violent cultures, they would all go the way of the Dodo, anyhoo that’s a bit of an aside.
My main point.
Why don’t you start a series of new posts called Europablues new concepts and definitions.
The once the definition and/or concept has been well established, posters can then engage with you on how you want to apply those definitions and concepts.
I am sure you will get a degree of interest, and less fractiousness. |
Thanks for your thoughts. I get what you are saying.
The thing is, you never know where the thread is going to take you.
I just said “ Seeing as Syria is not a natural country” as a throw away comment, then people asked me to expand.
It would be a shame for non-violent cultures, but those cultures tend not to do very well unless they are protected by some people who are ready to get very violent. |  | | |
| Assad gone on 22:14 - Dec 9 with 1752 views | bluejacko |
Ah well that’s another £11m spunked up against the wall🤬
Why have we money to send to Syria but none to spend here? More virtue signalling from two tier. | | | |
| Assad gone on 09:15 - Dec 10 with 1658 views | DJR |
| Assad gone on 19:05 - Dec 9 by Europablue |
Thanks for your thoughts. I get what you are saying.
The thing is, you never know where the thread is going to take you.
I just said “ Seeing as Syria is not a natural country” as a throw away comment, then people asked me to expand.
It would be a shame for non-violent cultures, but those cultures tend not to do very well unless they are protected by some people who are ready to get very violent. |
I think you lessen the points you make on various threads by including comments which are either imprecise or incorrect. You then often compound things by shifting the goal posts when challenged with further imprecise or incorrect comments.
Take your comment on this thread
"In general the spread of languages is limited by geography."
That is just not borne out by evidence. For example, the English spoken in England derives from Germanic tribes (the Angles, Saxons) who invaded England from about the 5th century onwards. And the Breton spoken in Brittany derives from Welsh speakers who left England and Wales in the early middle ages. In addition, English is now the main language in Ireland, an area that once would have been entirely Irish speaking.
Indeed, the languages spoken in Europe, Russia, the Iranian plateau, the north Indian sub-continent and, by colonialism, North and South America, Australia, New Zealand and Africa are a language family known as Indo-European languages which all have a common root.
In total, 46% of the world's population (3.2 billion people) speaks an Indo-European language as a first language—by far the highest of any language family.
The Proto-Indo-European homeland was the prehistoric linguistic homeland of the Proto-Indo-European language (PIE). From this region, its speakers migrated east and west, and formed the proto-communities of the different branches of the Indo-European language family.
The most widely accepted proposal about the location of the Proto-Indo-European homeland is the steppe hypothesis, which puts the archaic, early, and late PIE homeland in the Pontic–Caspian steppe around 4000 BCE.
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| Assad gone on 10:05 - Dec 10 with 1567 views | Europablue |
| Assad gone on 09:15 - Dec 10 by DJR |
I think you lessen the points you make on various threads by including comments which are either imprecise or incorrect. You then often compound things by shifting the goal posts when challenged with further imprecise or incorrect comments.
Take your comment on this thread
"In general the spread of languages is limited by geography."
That is just not borne out by evidence. For example, the English spoken in England derives from Germanic tribes (the Angles, Saxons) who invaded England from about the 5th century onwards. And the Breton spoken in Brittany derives from Welsh speakers who left England and Wales in the early middle ages. In addition, English is now the main language in Ireland, an area that once would have been entirely Irish speaking.
Indeed, the languages spoken in Europe, Russia, the Iranian plateau, the north Indian sub-continent and, by colonialism, North and South America, Australia, New Zealand and Africa are a language family known as Indo-European languages which all have a common root.
In total, 46% of the world's population (3.2 billion people) speaks an Indo-European language as a first language—by far the highest of any language family.
The Proto-Indo-European homeland was the prehistoric linguistic homeland of the Proto-Indo-European language (PIE). From this region, its speakers migrated east and west, and formed the proto-communities of the different branches of the Indo-European language family.
The most widely accepted proposal about the location of the Proto-Indo-European homeland is the steppe hypothesis, which puts the archaic, early, and late PIE homeland in the Pontic–Caspian steppe around 4000 BCE.
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The thing about this forum (and probably any forum) is that there will always be a criticisms from people saying to stop writing essays, and then from other people demanding more details. I suppose you see my replies as "shifting the goal posts when challenged with further imprecise or incorrect comments". If we were talking face to face in a group, the conversation would be more coherent. I try to respond earnestly to people like you who ask respectfully, but a response is always going to be selective when the question is not focused.
The way I see it is that I say something fairly vague (so as you say imprecise), then people fill in all the details and parameters and declare my initial vague comment incorrect and some even declare that I have not even a basic understanding of history, geography or am probably not even a human.
The statement "In general the spread of languages is limited by geography." still holds true. Expanding on it I would say: in general the spread of languages is limited by geography, these limitations can be overcome by technology. Technology is developed when there is a need.
I could expand more of course.
I agree that my initial statement was vague, so vague in fact that you cannot definitively discount it.
All the details that added at the end are very interesting and I appreciate what you wrote because it is really informative. The problem is that it doesn't serve as a counterpoint to what I said. | | | |
| Assad gone on 11:10 - Dec 10 with 1515 views | DJR |
| Assad gone on 10:05 - Dec 10 by Europablue |
The thing about this forum (and probably any forum) is that there will always be a criticisms from people saying to stop writing essays, and then from other people demanding more details. I suppose you see my replies as "shifting the goal posts when challenged with further imprecise or incorrect comments". If we were talking face to face in a group, the conversation would be more coherent. I try to respond earnestly to people like you who ask respectfully, but a response is always going to be selective when the question is not focused.
The way I see it is that I say something fairly vague (so as you say imprecise), then people fill in all the details and parameters and declare my initial vague comment incorrect and some even declare that I have not even a basic understanding of history, geography or am probably not even a human.
The statement "In general the spread of languages is limited by geography." still holds true. Expanding on it I would say: in general the spread of languages is limited by geography, these limitations can be overcome by technology. Technology is developed when there is a need.
I could expand more of course.
I agree that my initial statement was vague, so vague in fact that you cannot definitively discount it.
All the details that added at the end are very interesting and I appreciate what you wrote because it is really informative. The problem is that it doesn't serve as a counterpoint to what I said. |
I rest my case. | | | |
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| Assad gone on 11:15 - Dec 10 with 1500 views | DJR |
Israel, Turkey and the US are all involved, with each having different interests.
In the case of Turkey, this is the latest.
As the UN special envoy to Syria has mentioned, there are still ongoing clashes in northeast Syria between Turkish-backed forces and the Kurdish-led group Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
In the Syrian city of Manbij, where a major clash has been taking place over the last few days, there are now reports that the SDF are being allowed to withdraw safely.
Citing a Syrian opposition source, Reuters news agency reports that the United States and Turkey has reached an agreement to ensure SDF's safe withdrawal.
Speaking in Ankara earlier, the Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said Manbij had been freed of what he described as "terrorists."
SDF was a key ally in a US-led global coalition that worked to drive Islamic State group militants out of Syria between 2015 and 2019. [Post edited 10 Dec 2024 11:15]
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| Assad gone on 11:15 - Dec 10 with 1490 views | Europablue |
| Assad gone on 11:10 - Dec 10 by DJR |
I rest my case. |
You are just validating my damned if you do damned if you don't supposition with that response.
Oh well, thanks anyway :) | | | |
| Assad gone on 11:16 - Dec 10 with 1487 views | DJR |
| Assad gone on 11:15 - Dec 10 by Europablue |
You are just validating my damned if you do damned if you don't supposition with that response.
Oh well, thanks anyway :) |
I don't know what that means. | | | |
| Assad gone on 16:06 - Dec 10 with 1356 views | mellowblue |
| Assad gone on 11:15 - Dec 10 by DJR |
Israel, Turkey and the US are all involved, with each having different interests.
In the case of Turkey, this is the latest.
As the UN special envoy to Syria has mentioned, there are still ongoing clashes in northeast Syria between Turkish-backed forces and the Kurdish-led group Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
In the Syrian city of Manbij, where a major clash has been taking place over the last few days, there are now reports that the SDF are being allowed to withdraw safely.
Citing a Syrian opposition source, Reuters news agency reports that the United States and Turkey has reached an agreement to ensure SDF's safe withdrawal.
Speaking in Ankara earlier, the Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said Manbij had been freed of what he described as "terrorists."
SDF was a key ally in a US-led global coalition that worked to drive Islamic State group militants out of Syria between 2015 and 2019. [Post edited 10 Dec 2024 11:15]
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It annoys me that countries can invade with no international ire on the basis of creating buffer zones which then get absorbed over time. Turkey and Israel mainly. I can see the Kurds being squeezed by a unified Syria who are surely going to want the oil wells and Turkey who have their usual active goodwill to all non-Turks whether they be Armenian, Greek, Kurd or Arab | | | |
| Assad gone on 17:28 - Dec 10 with 1294 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Assad gone on 11:15 - Dec 10 by DJR |
Israel, Turkey and the US are all involved, with each having different interests.
In the case of Turkey, this is the latest.
As the UN special envoy to Syria has mentioned, there are still ongoing clashes in northeast Syria between Turkish-backed forces and the Kurdish-led group Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
In the Syrian city of Manbij, where a major clash has been taking place over the last few days, there are now reports that the SDF are being allowed to withdraw safely.
Citing a Syrian opposition source, Reuters news agency reports that the United States and Turkey has reached an agreement to ensure SDF's safe withdrawal.
Speaking in Ankara earlier, the Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said Manbij had been freed of what he described as "terrorists."
SDF was a key ally in a US-led global coalition that worked to drive Islamic State group militants out of Syria between 2015 and 2019. [Post edited 10 Dec 2024 11:15]
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Makes a mockery of NATO surely. |  |
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| Assad gone on 18:40 - Dec 10 with 1258 views | Radlett_blue |
| Assad gone on 16:06 - Dec 10 by mellowblue |
It annoys me that countries can invade with no international ire on the basis of creating buffer zones which then get absorbed over time. Turkey and Israel mainly. I can see the Kurds being squeezed by a unified Syria who are surely going to want the oil wells and Turkey who have their usual active goodwill to all non-Turks whether they be Armenian, Greek, Kurd or Arab |
Why is Syria likely to become more united after the downfall of Assad? Surely, rather like Saddam Hussein in Iraq, only a brutal dictator is likely to keep down protests from minorities in an artificially created country, full of ethnic & religious divisions. |  |
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| Assad gone on 20:38 - Dec 10 with 1220 views | mellowblue |
| Assad gone on 18:40 - Dec 10 by Radlett_blue |
Why is Syria likely to become more united after the downfall of Assad? Surely, rather like Saddam Hussein in Iraq, only a brutal dictator is likely to keep down protests from minorities in an artificially created country, full of ethnic & religious divisions. |
being optimistic here; there is so much fatigue from civil war that the new regime will get breathing space to operate. The new boss appears street wise enough to not repel both moderates and islamists. Iraq gives the appearance of quietening down over he last few years and is a possible template. But this is the middle east so who knows. What agenda the Turks will have moving forward will be interesting. Events have rather moved too quickly for them. The civil war rather gave them cover to fight the Kurds in developing their "buffer" zone. How the new regime handles this will be interesting. | | | |
| Assad gone on 16:58 - Jan 4 with 568 views | GlasgowBlue |
Thankfully they don’t have access to Assad’s chemical weapons stockpile or his airforce. |  |
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| Assad gone on 18:01 - Jan 4 with 473 views | mellowblue |
That is a fair assessment of the peril the Kurds face, squeezed between Turks playing the terrorist card and a rejuvenated Syrian government. Their best bet is to side with the new Syrian government, negotiate some form of autonomy. The combined forces can then face up to the Turks abd with international dialogue force the Turks back over to their border. I fail to see why Turkey can get away with annexing parts of Syria under the guise of a security buffer zone. | | | |
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