| Performances scale 09:57 - Dec 9 with 1321 views | Asa |
Thought I'd take a calm approach and look at performances and ultimately what I feel we deserved out of each game if it was played several times over on average.
Here's my take.
LIVERPOOL (0-1) - We did very well for most of the game. Liverpool deserved to win but another day we may have held on for a point.
Man City (0) - Totally outclassed.
FULHAM (1) - Draw a completely fair result. Either team could have won it.
Brighton (0-1) - Like Liverpool. We probably lose that most times that match is played out like that. Could have actually won it. This time we get the point.
Southampton (1) - We were poor but they had three attacks and could have scored from them all. Think we deserved a point.
ASTON VILLA (1-3) - Deserved at least a point. Very unlucky not to win it.
West Ham (0) - Awful.
EVERTON (0) - Deservedly beat. Penalty could have changed things into a point but really weren't good enough for anything here.
Brentford (1-3) - Could easily have been 3-0 up, lost late on, still have drawn even later on.
LEICESTER (3) - Better team. Deserved to win.
Tottenham (3) - Better team. Deserved to win.
MAN UTD (1-3) - Deserved a point but could easily have won it.
Nottingham Forest (0-1) - On another day we hold on for a point. Forest edged it.
CRYSTAL PALACE (0-1) - Could have easily held on for a point here but Palace were the better side.
BOURNEMOUTH (1) - I don't think we deserved the win on the performance. Second half you could see it coming. Deserved a point though.
On that basis, taking the mid-point of here, with one 1-3 turned into a win, one a draw, one 0-1 turned into a defeat and one into a draw, that's 17 points I think would have been possible based on the performances and what I think we get on another day.
With VAR, injuries, being out of League One recently then yes sure the results are needed, points are needed and we are still adrift. But for me the promising thing here is how we've played.
I could see us finishing 12th at the start of the season or being totally out of our depth. Very few games we've not been in, very few games we've been battered.
Spurs, Villa, Man Utd, Liverpool, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth we've been in all of these matches and shaded those games overall really.
Yes it's easy to see 9 points a gap and be all doom and gloom. I was always very much of the what will be will be.
But when you look at a team of players from League One essentially, with a few new signings who have come from Championship sides, many never played in the Premier League and the performances so far we really can't complain too much.
What it does give me belief in, with just a 4 point gap, is that the players are improving (Muric, Johnson, O'Shea all look miles better than the first few months) that we can start to pick up results and give ourselves a chance.
Yes we made mistakes, were naive, but the crazy thing is that Brentford, Leucester, Spurs, Man Utd block could have seen us come out with as many points as we have all season with a little bit more luck or one or two mistakes cut out.
Fine margins.
Maybe we don't stay up. But it won't be for the lack of trying. [Post edited 9 Dec 2024 10:03]
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| Performances scale on 10:14 - Dec 9 with 1227 views | davblue |
Liverpool and Brighton, we didn't shade those games imo. |  | | |
| Performances scale on 10:17 - Dec 9 with 1198 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Rather blue tinted. |  |
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| Performances scale on 10:24 - Dec 9 with 1188 views | Asa |
| Performances scale on 10:14 - Dec 9 by davblue |
Liverpool and Brighton, we didn't shade those games imo. |
Have said nothing of the sort.
Have said we could have got a point from either of those game but most times those games are played we'd have lost.
Put us down for a point in total from six available which is exactly what we got. | | | |
| Performances scale on 10:25 - Dec 9 with 1168 views | Asa |
Feel free to provide your own, unbiased opinion.
I don't think too many of those have been disagreed with by the majority. | | | |
| Performances scale on 10:30 - Dec 9 with 1154 views | davblue |
| Performances scale on 10:24 - Dec 9 by Asa |
Have said nothing of the sort.
Have said we could have got a point from either of those game but most times those games are played we'd have lost.
Put us down for a point in total from six available which is exactly what we got. |
‘Spurs, Villa, Man Utd, Liverpool, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth we've been in all of these matches and shaded those games overall really.’ | | | |
| Performances scale on 10:34 - Dec 9 with 1122 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Performances scale on 10:25 - Dec 9 by Asa |
Feel free to provide your own, unbiased opinion.
I don't think too many of those have been disagreed with by the majority. |
The two responses suggested it was an optimistic view. | |
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| Performances scale on 10:39 - Dec 9 with 1093 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Performances scale on 10:25 - Dec 9 by Asa |
Feel free to provide your own, unbiased opinion.
I don't think too many of those have been disagreed with by the majority. |
I think it's easy to make any game look like you could and probably should have got more than you did.
But you do also tend to forget it could have gone the other way. You look at the Spurs game, we won 2-1, yet they missed out on scoring in the first opening minutes by 2 inches, IF they'd have scored, how does the rest of that game go?
We've been competitive. We've basically been what we were in the champ, but the difference is we were able to get 3 points in last years games, there weren't many champ fixtures where we controlled games or outplayed sides ( Huddersfield aside), but we had enough about us to get the job done. |  |
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| Performances scale on 10:42 - Dec 9 with 1083 views | Asa |
| Performances scale on 10:30 - Dec 9 by davblue |
‘Spurs, Villa, Man Utd, Liverpool, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth we've been in all of these matches and shaded those games overall really.’ |
As a block of matches. Not saying we have shaded each game.
Merely pointing out against 7 teams expected to be in the top 10 or in the top 10 I'd say we've performed better than the combined opponents.
Spurs - we were better, Villa - we just shaded it, Liverpool - they were better, Man Utd - we possibly shaded it, Fulham - we just shaded it, Bournemouth - shaded it for 85 minutes or so.
Didn't mean it to read that we'd been better than Liverpool or Brighton who were both the better teams. Purely that's a big sample size in which overall we've more than held our own. | | | |
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| Performances scale on 10:43 - Dec 9 with 1062 views | Asa |
| Performances scale on 10:39 - Dec 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I think it's easy to make any game look like you could and probably should have got more than you did.
But you do also tend to forget it could have gone the other way. You look at the Spurs game, we won 2-1, yet they missed out on scoring in the first opening minutes by 2 inches, IF they'd have scored, how does the rest of that game go?
We've been competitive. We've basically been what we were in the champ, but the difference is we were able to get 3 points in last years games, there weren't many champ fixtures where we controlled games or outplayed sides ( Huddersfield aside), but we had enough about us to get the job done. |
On that basis no point analyzing football then or 90 minutes.
As in every game we probably could be 3-0 up or 3-0 down if you want to be selective on which moments changed in the match as you can't do it for every single one without a billion potential outcomes.
A little different to suggesting if Muric doesn't come for a ball he won't get we probably win 1-0. | | | |
| Performances scale on 18:31 - Dec 9 with 774 views | quad |
| Performances scale on 10:42 - Dec 9 by Asa |
As a block of matches. Not saying we have shaded each game.
Merely pointing out against 7 teams expected to be in the top 10 or in the top 10 I'd say we've performed better than the combined opponents.
Spurs - we were better, Villa - we just shaded it, Liverpool - they were better, Man Utd - we possibly shaded it, Fulham - we just shaded it, Bournemouth - shaded it for 85 minutes or so.
Didn't mean it to read that we'd been better than Liverpool or Brighton who were both the better teams. Purely that's a big sample size in which overall we've more than held our own. |
Disagree we shaded it for 85 minutes against Bournemouth. We had been riding our luck. Not saying we couldn't have won, but it always seemed unlikely. | | | |
| Performances scale on 18:38 - Dec 9 with 747 views | AG26 |
| Performances scale on 10:42 - Dec 9 by Asa |
As a block of matches. Not saying we have shaded each game.
Merely pointing out against 7 teams expected to be in the top 10 or in the top 10 I'd say we've performed better than the combined opponents.
Spurs - we were better, Villa - we just shaded it, Liverpool - they were better, Man Utd - we possibly shaded it, Fulham - we just shaded it, Bournemouth - shaded it for 85 minutes or so.
Didn't mean it to read that we'd been better than Liverpool or Brighton who were both the better teams. Purely that's a big sample size in which overall we've more than held our own. |
We certainly didn't shade it for 85 minutes yesterday. They were all over us in the second half and it was only a matter of time until they scored. It's a shame it happened in the brutal way it did though. | | | |
| Performances scale on 18:44 - Dec 9 with 727 views | LankHenners |
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