| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? 16:00 - Jan 17 with 7131 views | ITFCSG |
It seems that outside of signing two players from Serie A on loan (one of which is English) we are seriously at a disadvantage when it comes to tapping on overseas talent. While the majority of clubs in the Prem and even some in the Champ stack their ranks with players signed from Europe, South and Central America and even Japan and Korea, we are mainly pursuing players from the home nations. This results in us unable to sign experienced players with top flight experience for the sheer premium placed on homegrown, British players vs their overseas counterparts + the fact that we aren't a "big" club.
MA and perhaps, McK's approach this season is hence a compromise - signing homegrown youth players with talent and potential like Delap, Philogene, Hutchinson, J Clarke etc. but as it can be seen they are still raw and at times lack the experience and maturity to be decent Prem players. Maybe they will in a couple of years' time and we can profit from them but what we need is experience NOW to plug and play, to grind out results and ensure survival.
Look at Villa signing Malen vs our signing of Philogene. Malen is cheaper, with more top flight and international experience and probably more suited to bang in the goals this season. Why isn't the recruitment squad looking at players like that?
Our experienced players are all Champ level at best and the new signings are mainly youth. Its like fielding a U21 team at times which leaves us outclassed and without the ability to change a game when needed.
Top priority (regardless of whether we survive or not) is to improve and broaden our scouting network. If McK can only work with "players who understand English or who have worked with an English-speaking coach" then he has to learn how to improve his cultural management skills. I'd rather have a player who is clueless about life in Britain and speaks poor English but knows where the net is or able to shut out Prem attackers than signing more homegrown players who are a work in progress for a significant premium. Depending on pure homegrown talent in 2025 is unrealistic and unfeasible. |  | | |  |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:31 - Jan 18 with 730 views | algy |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:21 - Jan 18 by Vic |
I’m sure you’re right in terms of not signing players fro the EU leagues, South America, etc. yes, without those we are at a disadvantage.
But such has been our rise from mid-table Lg 1 obscurity to the Prem the scouting department just hasn’t been able to keep up. That’s totally understandable in my book. We’ve come so far in so many ways so quickly that we cannot possibly develop every area of the club evenly. It’s pretty well accepted that no one at the club expected promotion last year so the scouting is just not in place.
If we’re in the same position in 2 years time then absolutely let’s start to question the home grown philosophy. |
I suspect to KM and MA overseas recruitment was a low priority as KM prefers to work with domestic players particularly players that have been through a cat1 academy. Would think if KM had gone to Brighton and been replaced by a non domestic manager, they would have different view. | |
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:49 - Jan 18 with 678 views | bobbyramsey |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:31 - Jan 18 by algy |
I suspect to KM and MA overseas recruitment was a low priority as KM prefers to work with domestic players particularly players that have been through a cat1 academy. Would think if KM had gone to Brighton and been replaced by a non domestic manager, they would have different view. |
I wonder how KM would have coped at Brighton? |  | | |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:07 - Jan 18 with 650 views | Vic |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:31 - Jan 18 by algy |
I suspect to KM and MA overseas recruitment was a low priority as KM prefers to work with domestic players particularly players that have been through a cat1 academy. Would think if KM had gone to Brighton and been replaced by a non domestic manager, they would have different view. |
And I think you’re in a small minority of 2 in trying to push this criticism!
I think we forget just how pathetic our club was 3 (Three) years ago in just about every regard. To be where we are from where we were is staggering. Sure, I don’t want to make up the numbers in the Prem, but we do have to keep in mind the huge task of keeping the upgrading and development of the non playing side on track with the stunning speed of success on the pitch.
It feels to me that you’re being overly (and probably unnecessarily) critical. |  |
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:11 - Jan 18 with 641 views | SheffordBlue |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 15:31 - Jan 18 by algy |
I suspect to KM and MA overseas recruitment was a low priority as KM prefers to work with domestic players particularly players that have been through a cat1 academy. Would think if KM had gone to Brighton and been replaced by a non domestic manager, they would have different view. |
Worth remembering that Ashton has to justify the spending to the ownership group at both a short, medium and long term level. With players representing a huge proportion of the investment then he must have justified largely focussing on this profile at this stage.
I'm sure the medium term plan will have a budget for expanding the overseas recruitment network. | |
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:14 - Jan 18 with 630 views | algy |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:07 - Jan 18 by Vic |
And I think you’re in a small minority of 2 in trying to push this criticism!
I think we forget just how pathetic our club was 3 (Three) years ago in just about every regard. To be where we are from where we were is staggering. Sure, I don’t want to make up the numbers in the Prem, but we do have to keep in mind the huge task of keeping the upgrading and development of the non playing side on track with the stunning speed of success on the pitch.
It feels to me that you’re being overly (and probably unnecessarily) critical. |
And I feel you're a died in the wool McKennaphile who won't consider that he may not be the perfect manager. He's done very well overall, especially last season but he's far from the super manager some say. Done very well in for himself and family financially though | |
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:33 - Jan 18 with 585 views | Vic |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:14 - Jan 18 by algy |
And I feel you're a died in the wool McKennaphile who won't consider that he may not be the perfect manager. He's done very well overall, especially last season but he's far from the super manager some say. Done very well in for himself and family financially though |
But this thread isn't really about McKenna is it. It's about how quickly the club should have developed the international shouting network.
Hey listen - were both Town supporters, let's agree to differ on this one. | |
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 17:07 - Jan 18 with 548 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 16:14 - Jan 18 by algy |
And I feel you're a died in the wool McKennaphile who won't consider that he may not be the perfect manager. He's done very well overall, especially last season but he's far from the super manager some say. Done very well in for himself and family financially though |
So in your opinion what should McKenna have done? Are you blaming him for not pushing to set up overseas scouting when we were in league 1? Are you saying he has stopped us setting up an international scout and data network? Are you saying he should be signing international players despite our network and facilities not being up to speed yet?
Would a different boss have come in had McKenna gone and said wtf has he been playing at, even given the clubs meteoric rise?
I'm not so sure with any of those, and just think things take time.
For the record I would have loved more international signings, and maybe my only concession is McKenna could have chanced his arm with a couple of randoms, but I appreciate the reality that has come with where we find ourselves now compared to just two years ago. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:17]
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| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 19:20 - Jan 18 with 479 views | ITFCSG |
| Lack of overseas recruitment hurting us? on 17:07 - Jan 18 by Axeldalai_lama |
So in your opinion what should McKenna have done? Are you blaming him for not pushing to set up overseas scouting when we were in league 1? Are you saying he has stopped us setting up an international scout and data network? Are you saying he should be signing international players despite our network and facilities not being up to speed yet?
Would a different boss have come in had McKenna gone and said wtf has he been playing at, even given the clubs meteoric rise?
I'm not so sure with any of those, and just think things take time.
For the record I would have loved more international signings, and maybe my only concession is McKenna could have chanced his arm with a couple of randoms, but I appreciate the reality that has come with where we find ourselves now compared to just two years ago. [Post edited 18 Jan 17:17]
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IMO MA should have started on re-establishing the overseas scouting network last season in the Champ. Discounting sides that have been in the Prem recently, even clubs like Blackburn, Coventry, Boro, Hull, PNE I daresay have a better overseas network than us at present and have recruited fairly decently given their available budgets.
Granted that many foreign managers recruit from their own countrymen i.e. look at how many Germans were signed by the sc*m over the past few seasons | | | |
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