| For all the shouting about Labour 22:51 - May 2 with 2714 views | Guthrum |
Currently the number of Reform councillors has gone up by virtually exactly the same as the Conservatives have gone down. Fairly clear where the movement is |  |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:02 - May 3 with 503 views | Guthrum |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 13:14 - May 3 by Lord_Lucan |
The Labour vote went down about 14% and the Tories about 8.5% |
Tho the overall turnout went down as well, so percentages can be a bit misleading. Obviously, we don't know who the constituents not turning out this time voted for in the GE, but I suspect a lot of them were Labour in 2024. While quite a lot of the Conservatives consolidated with (or defected to) Reform, maybe even tactically to secure the seat. | |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:04 - May 3 with 497 views | Guthrum |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 11:49 - May 3 by RadioOrwell |
It was clear a long time ago they are all (ex) Tories.
They have always been with us. It's who we have had in Government for many many years. |
Tho there was quite a lot of UKIP entryism into the Conservative Party prior to 2016 and through to the fall of Truss. | |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:11 - May 3 with 478 views | Lord_Lucan |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:02 - May 3 by Guthrum |
Tho the overall turnout went down as well, so percentages can be a bit misleading. Obviously, we don't know who the constituents not turning out this time voted for in the GE, but I suspect a lot of them were Labour in 2024. While quite a lot of the Conservatives consolidated with (or defected to) Reform, maybe even tactically to secure the seat. |
You absolutely cannot say that with any certainty. It’s purely opinion.
I think that was the 16th safest seat in their whole armoury. |  |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:15 - May 3 with 463 views | Guthrum |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 13:52 - May 3 by thebooks |
This is seriously deluded.
Take Durham, one of the few elections where Lab had a proper number of seats to defend.
They lost 38 of 42 of them. Reform went from 0 to 65 seats.
Lab lost the Runcorn election with a swing of 17% to Reform.
These are “red wall” seats — it’s 2019 again, only with an even further right threat.
As Lab’s response will be to have a “crackdown” on immigration, rather than, say, implement a wealth tax, or even just reinstate the WFA, they are absolutely doomed in the next election.
Relying on the public to view Fuuckface as a “fraud” is obviously wrong. He’s been around for about 30 years. |
Thing is, the Red Wall doesn't really exist any more. It was a carry-over from the era when the region was a Labour-industrial-mining heartland (but in many ways actually quite socially conservative). The spell was broken with Brexit and 2019, there is very little reason for it to come back. | |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:19 - May 3 with 442 views | Leaky |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 07:47 - May 3 by NthQldITFC |
That's scarily close to the Democratic view of Trump's second run too. Except their electorate had already seen Trump in power and still went back for more.
I've wanted to believe in Starmer becoming a decisive leader and moving more towards a traditional Labour ideology, but I was clearly naive on that. The parallels of a half-arsed administration with a confused identity drifting slackly towards disaster are frightening, and Starmer looks almost as confused as Biden at times.
Reeves' strategy looks doomed to fail with the underlying world economic situation not helping an already slim chance of her miraculously discovering the magic perpetual growth tree. Now's the time for a radical change of tack under a Labour banner - get McDonnell in and ffs tax the fkn rich properly and save our country. |
Can you explain who you would clas as rich?
As a good number of us rock up to Portman Road paying rich blokes to kick a ball about. |  | | |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:26 - May 3 with 422 views | leitrimblue |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:19 - May 3 by Leaky |
Can you explain who you would clas as rich?
As a good number of us rock up to Portman Road paying rich blokes to kick a ball about. |
I'd suggest without looking to far into it that anyone earning more then say €200,000 a year. What you think?
So yer, footballers definitely rich and should be taxed to feck. [Post edited 3 May 14:27]
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:28 - May 3 with 410 views | Leaky |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:26 - May 3 by leitrimblue |
I'd suggest without looking to far into it that anyone earning more then say €200,000 a year. What you think?
So yer, footballers definitely rich and should be taxed to feck. [Post edited 3 May 14:27]
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I take it from your post your scrapping buy £199,000 a year then | | | |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:34 - May 3 with 403 views | positivity |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:28 - May 3 by Leaky |
I take it from your post your scrapping buy £199,000 a year then |
eh? that's more than 200k euros? |  |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:37 - May 3 with 401 views | Lord_Lucan |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:15 - May 3 by Guthrum |
Thing is, the Red Wall doesn't really exist any more. It was a carry-over from the era when the region was a Labour-industrial-mining heartland (but in many ways actually quite socially conservative). The spell was broken with Brexit and 2019, there is very little reason for it to come back. |
The red wall certainly exists but it’s now a term to describe a whole sway of disaffected and disillusioned ex Labour voters who have been let down by the party that was supposed to have supported them. | |
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:39 - May 3 with 394 views | leitrimblue |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:28 - May 3 by Leaky |
I take it from your post your scrapping buy £199,000 a year then |
I'm doing fine thanks  . More than happy to pay my share | | | |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:49 - May 3 with 363 views | Pinewoodblue |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 13:14 - May 3 by Lord_Lucan |
The Labour vote went down about 14% and the Tories about 8.5% |
Labour only held on to 1 in 3 seats they were defending. Had Labour not postponed elections, for areas they already held, then it would most likely have been as catastrophic for Labour as it has been for Tories.
Labour managed to lose the election for Mayor of Cambridge/ Peterborough to the Tory candidate.
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| For all the shouting about Labour on 15:03 - May 3 with 342 views | Kievthegreat |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:49 - May 3 by Pinewoodblue |
Labour only held on to 1 in 3 seats they were defending. Had Labour not postponed elections, for areas they already held, then it would most likely have been as catastrophic for Labour as it has been for Tories.
Labour managed to lose the election for Mayor of Cambridge/ Peterborough to the Tory candidate.
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The Cambridge and Peterborough Mayoralty is not a straight comparison. You have to take account of the change in system. Conservatives scrapped the previous supplementary vote system and Labour bizarrely didn't reverse the decision so it remained FPTP for this and all Mayoralties.
In the previous election, they lost to the Tories on first round voting before and only won when the Lib Dem votes were added in. Additionally the Greens and Brexit/Reform didn't stand in 2021 so there was an additional squeeze on votes. |  | | |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 15:53 - May 3 with 309 views | thebooks |
| For all the shouting about Labour on 14:15 - May 3 by Guthrum |
Thing is, the Red Wall doesn't really exist any more. It was a carry-over from the era when the region was a Labour-industrial-mining heartland (but in many ways actually quite socially conservative). The spell was broken with Brexit and 2019, there is very little reason for it to come back. |
Yes, I’m aware it’s not an “industrial heartland”. It had been losing Labour votes fairly steadily since Blair’s first victory, and just took Brexit to tip it over. But it still serves as a useful grouping of seats that Lab needs to do well in. |  | | |
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