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And you check for a penalty which can only be given if the ball is in play. Massive error to allow a re-take of the corner. I think it’s a drop ball if no penalty
And you check for a penalty which can only be given if the ball is in play. Massive error to allow a re-take of the corner. I think it’s a drop ball if no penalty
The VAR check was to confirm whether the ball was in play at the time of the infringement.
My understanding is that it was clear that an infringement had occurred, and VAR was used to determine the correct course of action.
Well my recollection of the "take as many corners as you like until you score" sequence was.
Corner 1 - kick taken THEN ref blows Corner 2 - kick taken AS ref blows Corner 3 - kick taken and no ref involvement
But admittedly I was in Cobbold A diretly in line with the goal line so perhaps not the best view.
If corner 2 is correct then I stand corrected, I thought he actually hadn’t taken ….me bad , but still a s#it show from the ref. Interesting to hear a comment from Mick Mills when back in the car , way back in 2000 he was assistant to Trevor Francis at Birmingham City , before the match the ref spoke to both sets of players to give a new FA directive about holding in the area during free kicks and corners, a warning that it was getting out of hand and needed to be stopped throughout the game ……25 years later and it’s so much worse , as Mills said about today every player from both sides inside the box never once looked at the ball just concentrated on holding and blocking spoiling games week in week out , and he is correct it needs to be stamped out .
Well my recollection of the "take as many corners as you like until you score" sequence was.
Corner 1 - kick taken THEN ref blows Corner 2 - kick taken AS ref blows Corner 3 - kick taken and no ref involvement
But admittedly I was in Cobbold A diretly in line with the goal line so perhaps not the best view.
I was in the top of Sir Bobby and your sequence seems accurate.
The ref definitely blew after the ball was in play but then got the corner retaken. That seemed bizarre. He then appeared to do the same the second time but there was then a VAR check that appeared to take forever (they always do don't they?) Since the referee had already booked both players, how were they reviewing a potential penalty? That would surely require the referee to have incorrectly booked the attacker. In the whole sequence, there were multiple fouls by Brentford forwards on defenders and the keeper. Why that does not result in a free kick for the defence is bizarre. In every other match where that happens it is a free kick to the defending side.
We then switch off (which McKenna puts down to the dark arts of them stopping the game to enable the VAR check and then it taking forever for the corner to be taken and catching us off guard when it is. Whilst i get McKenna's point, it was dreadful defending. We lost because of our inability to defend a corner but what led up to it was odd in the extreme.
Later in that half, I thought one of our defenders threw a Brentford player to the ground near the penalty spot. It seemed inevitable VAR would give a penalty but it took several minutes before play stopped and they seemed to have forgotten about it by then.
What happened with Hirst when he was clean through? I couldn't see any foul but why was his shot so poor? He seemed convinced that his foot had been taken away from him (which if true would have been a penalty and a red card wouldn't it?)
Overall it was a disappointing game. Brentford looked wuite ordinary but missed a couple of good chances. We just didn't create anything until near the end when we started to cause them some trouble. It seemed as if we spent 3/4 of the match in awe of them until we realised that we were actually good enough to give them a game.
That doesn’t mean that the ref blowed his whistle after the ball was in play though?
The ball was in play for the first two corners, the ref blew his whistle after the corner had been taken twice, so VAR allowed the same mistake to be made twice!
The ball was in play for the first two corners, the ref blew his whistle after the corner had been taken twice, so VAR allowed the same mistake to be made twice!
To be fair on VAR, its role is not to correct that sort of basic error. It is limited in what it can correct. The fact the VAR officials could easily have said something along the lines of "free kick to the defence" especially after seeing the ref get it wrong the first time is simply too much to ask!
Ultimately, though, it was us switching off that cost us.
Pretty sure the pen check was on corner 1. Corner 2 was interrupted so he could book Taylor. Corner 3 was the goal. And good job really as I think they were running out of reasons to let Brentford try again.
Pretty sure the pen check was on corner 1. Corner 2 was interrupted so he could book Taylor. Corner 3 was the goal. And good job really as I think they were running out of reasons to let Brentford try again.
Fairly sure the penalty check was on the second one just before they scored after the long break for them to confirm there was nothing to look at.
The first one was retaken after the fouls by the attackers after the ref blew up after the ball was in play. That one should have been a penalty, a free kick or a drop ball for the keeper. To re-take it was bizarre.
I was in the top of Sir Bobby and your sequence seems accurate.
The ref definitely blew after the ball was in play but then got the corner retaken. That seemed bizarre. He then appeared to do the same the second time but there was then a VAR check that appeared to take forever (they always do don't they?) Since the referee had already booked both players, how were they reviewing a potential penalty? That would surely require the referee to have incorrectly booked the attacker. In the whole sequence, there were multiple fouls by Brentford forwards on defenders and the keeper. Why that does not result in a free kick for the defence is bizarre. In every other match where that happens it is a free kick to the defending side.
We then switch off (which McKenna puts down to the dark arts of them stopping the game to enable the VAR check and then it taking forever for the corner to be taken and catching us off guard when it is. Whilst i get McKenna's point, it was dreadful defending. We lost because of our inability to defend a corner but what led up to it was odd in the extreme.
Later in that half, I thought one of our defenders threw a Brentford player to the ground near the penalty spot. It seemed inevitable VAR would give a penalty but it took several minutes before play stopped and they seemed to have forgotten about it by then.
What happened with Hirst when he was clean through? I couldn't see any foul but why was his shot so poor? He seemed convinced that his foot had been taken away from him (which if true would have been a penalty and a red card wouldn't it?)
Overall it was a disappointing game. Brentford looked wuite ordinary but missed a couple of good chances. We just didn't create anything until near the end when we started to cause them some trouble. It seemed as if we spent 3/4 of the match in awe of them until we realised that we were actually good enough to give them a game.
From my perch in the West Stand, I was in line with Hirsts shot. It looked like the defender kicked Hirst's kicking boot just as he was shooting. So the shot went wide, weakly. Very clever of the defender but looked like it should have been a penalty to me
From my perch in the West Stand, I was in line with Hirsts shot. It looked like the defender kicked Hirst's kicking boot just as he was shooting. So the shot went wide, weakly. Very clever of the defender but looked like it should have been a penalty to me
Was certainly what Hirst was saying to the ref and would explain the shot. I would like to see it again and wonder why it isn't on the highlights linked in this thread.
If it was a foul, VAR should have seen it and got the ref to look again and award the penalty and a red card shouldn't it?
Pretty sure the pen check was on corner 1. Corner 2 was interrupted so he could book Taylor. Corner 3 was the goal. And good job really as I think they were running out of reasons to let Brentford try again.
Yes penalty check was after corner number one and as others have said the ref whistled a couple of seconds after the kick was taken so ball was live. Ref and assistants plus VAR have all got it wrong by letting game restart with corner number 2. Both corners 2 and 3 and subsequently the goal should not have happened if they had correctly restarted with a drop ball. Another frustrating moment in a home campaign of frustrating moments. VAR Premier League guff have made the season nowhere near as enjoyable as it should have been at home. It was always going to be a struggle but I didn’t think it would be this meh
Was certainly what Hirst was saying to the ref and would explain the shot. I would like to see it again and wonder why it isn't on the highlights linked in this thread.
If it was a foul, VAR should have seen it and got the ref to look again and award the penalty and a red card shouldn't it?
If the foul was outside the area, VAR couldn’t get involved. Not sure if Hirst was inside the box or not?
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