| John Textor 22:08 - Jul 11 with 3160 views | darkhorse28 |
Apologies if this had been covered, not been on here much.
He’ll buy a majority stake, In a championship club in the coming weeks.
He my opinion, he’d be a huge leap forwards for us.
He has global networks. Has reach in to Europe, South America and global scouting structures, has had great success with Botafogo, taking them from bankruocy to league champions and beating PSG, the results at Palace speak for themselves, and Lyon in the context of stadium development and not being allowed too many foreign players, have done fantastic.
His knowledge of the English game, and passion for it, makes him stand out from the US crowd.
Much is made of the £1.2 billion leverage of his ownership group…, but this is a huge business, and the way they pool resources, and utilise broader assets, is as he points out, the only model now, if sides ever want to ever challenge clubs owned by nation states. The liabilities are dwarfed by combined assets, the Lyon academy alone is ranked the third best in Europe and yields huge revenue.
Little Ipswich can’t compete with Man City, and Newcastle.
Little Ipswich leveraged globally, with global reach, scouting, finance, and shared resources, COULD.
Not a pension fund, but actual football people here and across the world.
I hope he makes it happen.
It would be a big step forward for us, from some risk capital to actual football people, to its genuine reach.
It would be genuine passion and enthusiasm with deep pockets and an understanding of what’s required in the premier league.
My guess is he and Simon Jordon will want it to be Sheff Weds…, but that won’t be an easy deal to do. And that’s a huge project.
Wouldn’t be 1% surprised if he’s our new majority owner in six or so weeks time.
It would be VERY positive. In my opinion. |  | | |  |
| John Textor on 22:37 - Jul 11 with 2704 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Not for me. Owns Lyon who are having all kinds of finnancial issues to the point where they only avoided being related for them on appeal.
Talk of iffy accounting practices at Botofogo who he also owns. Also apparently sacked the coach for not playing the players Textor though he should play.
Seems dodgy as to me |  |
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| John Textor on 22:52 - Jul 11 with 2600 views | StokieBlue |
| John Textor on 22:37 - Jul 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Not for me. Owns Lyon who are having all kinds of finnancial issues to the point where they only avoided being related for them on appeal.
Talk of iffy accounting practices at Botofogo who he also owns. Also apparently sacked the coach for not playing the players Textor though he should play.
Seems dodgy as to me |
Look at the poster.
He's never posted anything either positive about Towm or in the clubs best interests.
SB |  | | |
| John Textor on 00:06 - Jul 12 with 2358 views | vilanovablue |
I'd like to stay away from that bonfire, Palace getting relegated in Europe. Big no from me |  | | |
| John Textor on 04:24 - Jul 12 with 2177 views | PMac13 |
You obviously don’t listen to the price of football lol
He’s been strongly linked with Sheffield Wednesday and the general consensus is out of the frying pan into the fire! Happy with our owners thank you very much and in my view Textor can’t stay far enough away from us! |  | | |
| John Textor on 07:18 - Jul 12 with 1998 views | Clutch |
He's meant to be investing in Wednesday. |  | | |
| John Textor on 09:44 - Jul 12 with 1827 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 22:37 - Jul 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Not for me. Owns Lyon who are having all kinds of finnancial issues to the point where they only avoided being related for them on appeal.
Talk of iffy accounting practices at Botofogo who he also owns. Also apparently sacked the coach for not playing the players Textor though he should play.
Seems dodgy as to me |
The Lyon financials seem pretty straightforward. They won the appeal, because writing down many of their revenue streams entirely was very odd. Loys of English clubs would fail that test too.., they’ve reinstated their actual revenue projections, which are based on ten years of actuals.
Botafogo had three registered players, no money, and were relegation fodder and he did win the league with them.
He does leverage across the group, which I think a lot of journalists and supporters don’t understand, so it makes for good headlines and clickbait.
He seems a good profile..,, although it’s worth noting the French League clearly don’t like him, not sure why, but could be a red flag as you say. | | | |
| John Textor on 09:50 - Jul 12 with 1807 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 22:52 - Jul 11 by StokieBlue |
Look at the poster.
He's never posted anything either positive about Towm or in the clubs best interests.
SB |
I do. You just ignore those, preferring validating hatred and tribe instead.
You’re pathetic. You hold us back.
Maybe look in the mirror…, all that hatred against scrutinising Ashton specifically, and it turns out the owners don’t agree with you.
Time to grow up. Scrutiny, agency, accountability, they’re important for a club, as important as your myopic tribal crap, and more important than you’re clawing need to hate oeople you don’t know.
Maybe ad hominem attacks on individuals, rather than trying to understand problems and issues, is 100% why your so out of tune with Gamechanger.
The red flags were there for months.., you ignored them, preferring hatred and reductive tub thumping instead.
Your style is 100% why people don’t bother with the forum.
You can just not post. If you have nothing positive to contribute. | | | |
| John Textor on 09:55 - Jul 12 with 1762 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 04:24 - Jul 12 by PMac13 |
You obviously don’t listen to the price of football lol
He’s been strongly linked with Sheffield Wednesday and the general consensus is out of the frying pan into the fire! Happy with our owners thank you very much and in my view Textor can’t stay far enough away from us! |
Our owners aren’t happy to stay. That’s important.
I’m not sure the media don’t just go for the reductive low hanging fruit with John.
You’re right. Weds seems where he’s likely to pop up, will be interesting if he does, they do fit his profile and have huge potential.
I just think his model at least is a better fit for us than Gamechanger.
They don’t want to be here and we are a small element of risk capital. The symptom of which isn’t a lack of money, but a lack of structure and football knowledge.
John certainly knows how to build a premier league team on and off the pitch.
His profile interests me more than the individual.., if I was building an owner, it would be that profile.
Experience at the top level, global leverage, deep pockets. Understands and is passionate about football.
Get the red flags though…, they’re real enough. Let’s see.
If Wednesday doesn’t work out, gut feeling is he looks at us. | | | |
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| John Textor on 10:01 - Jul 12 with 1742 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 00:06 - Jul 12 by vilanovablue |
I'd like to stay away from that bonfire, Palace getting relegated in Europe. Big no from me |
He did qualify them for Europe.
I’d love that problem…, an owner who has issues because too many of his sides are very successful.
Probably why he wants a championship side, not an issue for a few years at least.
He’s a passionate guy on English football.., if it went well I wonder if the English side will be the jewel in the crown and he’d exit Lyon. The Palace success was obviously very unexpected.
But then you lose the leverage benefits I guess.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up and how he does. | | | |
| John Textor on 10:15 - Jul 12 with 1703 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| John Textor on 09:55 - Jul 12 by darkhorse28 |
Our owners aren’t happy to stay. That’s important.
I’m not sure the media don’t just go for the reductive low hanging fruit with John.
You’re right. Weds seems where he’s likely to pop up, will be interesting if he does, they do fit his profile and have huge potential.
I just think his model at least is a better fit for us than Gamechanger.
They don’t want to be here and we are a small element of risk capital. The symptom of which isn’t a lack of money, but a lack of structure and football knowledge.
John certainly knows how to build a premier league team on and off the pitch.
His profile interests me more than the individual.., if I was building an owner, it would be that profile.
Experience at the top level, global leverage, deep pockets. Understands and is passionate about football.
Get the red flags though…, they’re real enough. Let’s see.
If Wednesday doesn’t work out, gut feeling is he looks at us. |
Since you don’t seem to the understand the difference between owners and investors, this completely invalidates your comments (as usual).
Try harder. | | | |
| John Textor on 10:54 - Jul 12 with 1613 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| John Textor on 09:44 - Jul 12 by darkhorse28 |
The Lyon financials seem pretty straightforward. They won the appeal, because writing down many of their revenue streams entirely was very odd. Loys of English clubs would fail that test too.., they’ve reinstated their actual revenue projections, which are based on ten years of actuals.
Botafogo had three registered players, no money, and were relegation fodder and he did win the league with them.
He does leverage across the group, which I think a lot of journalists and supporters don’t understand, so it makes for good headlines and clickbait.
He seems a good profile..,, although it’s worth noting the French League clearly don’t like him, not sure why, but could be a red flag as you say. |
Lyon have flogged their best players. No point in short term success if you bring the club to the brink to achieve it.
Palace. He has v little credit there, he is on record as complaining he couldn't get anything done. Parish takes most of the credit.
Botofogo....highly questionable accounting, I dont think your giving decent journalists enough credit. Also interfering with team selections. Got Romanov vibes all over it.
Lastly our owners are not looking to sell, they are looking for additional investment. Very, very different things and it feels like you are trying to muddy the difference between the 2. Perhaps due to an agenda? | |
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| John Textor on 11:47 - Jul 12 with 1521 views | Libero |
| John Textor on 10:01 - Jul 12 by darkhorse28 |
He did qualify them for Europe.
I’d love that problem…, an owner who has issues because too many of his sides are very successful.
Probably why he wants a championship side, not an issue for a few years at least.
He’s a passionate guy on English football.., if it went well I wonder if the English side will be the jewel in the crown and he’d exit Lyon. The Palace success was obviously very unexpected.
But then you lose the leverage benefits I guess.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up and how he does. |
John, mate - we don’t want you here, sorry. |  | | |
| John Textor on 11:53 - Jul 12 with 1489 views | Herbivore |
| John Textor on 09:50 - Jul 12 by darkhorse28 |
I do. You just ignore those, preferring validating hatred and tribe instead.
You’re pathetic. You hold us back.
Maybe look in the mirror…, all that hatred against scrutinising Ashton specifically, and it turns out the owners don’t agree with you.
Time to grow up. Scrutiny, agency, accountability, they’re important for a club, as important as your myopic tribal crap, and more important than you’re clawing need to hate oeople you don’t know.
Maybe ad hominem attacks on individuals, rather than trying to understand problems and issues, is 100% why your so out of tune with Gamechanger.
The red flags were there for months.., you ignored them, preferring hatred and reductive tub thumping instead.
Your style is 100% why people don’t bother with the forum.
You can just not post. If you have nothing positive to contribute. |
On that last paragraph, try taking your own advice, maybe? |  |
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| John Textor on 17:58 - Jul 12 with 1308 views | StokieBlue |
| John Textor on 09:50 - Jul 12 by darkhorse28 |
I do. You just ignore those, preferring validating hatred and tribe instead.
You’re pathetic. You hold us back.
Maybe look in the mirror…, all that hatred against scrutinising Ashton specifically, and it turns out the owners don’t agree with you.
Time to grow up. Scrutiny, agency, accountability, they’re important for a club, as important as your myopic tribal crap, and more important than you’re clawing need to hate oeople you don’t know.
Maybe ad hominem attacks on individuals, rather than trying to understand problems and issues, is 100% why your so out of tune with Gamechanger.
The red flags were there for months.., you ignored them, preferring hatred and reductive tub thumping instead.
Your style is 100% why people don’t bother with the forum.
You can just not post. If you have nothing positive to contribute. |
Ok then, give us some examples of these positive posts about the club and it's current playing, management and boardroom staff.
Hatred? This is the first time I've ever responded to one of your baiting posts.
The last paragraph is laughable. Well done.
SB | | | |
| John Textor on 18:58 - Jul 12 with 1221 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| John Textor on 17:58 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
Ok then, give us some examples of these positive posts about the club and it's current playing, management and boardroom staff.
Hatred? This is the first time I've ever responded to one of your baiting posts.
The last paragraph is laughable. Well done.
SB |
What is it about a troll that you just can’t resist? If you stop feeding him scraps he’ll go away. | | | |
| John Textor on 19:01 - Jul 12 with 1200 views | StokieBlue |
| John Textor on 18:58 - Jul 12 by SimonBatfordITFC |
What is it about a troll that you just can’t resist? If you stop feeding him scraps he’ll go away. |
You mean like someone who argues for 6 pages about a nonsensical transfer value from a largely discredited website?
Yeah, they go away....
SB | | | |
| John Textor on 19:10 - Jul 12 with 1162 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| John Textor on 19:01 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
You mean like someone who argues for 6 pages about a nonsensical transfer value from a largely discredited website?
Yeah, they go away....
SB |
There’s a big difference between 6 pages of debating a story about our player in the national press and a poster on the wind up with nonsensical speculation that they’ve made up. Darkhorse was clearly baiting and, as usual, you were the first to nibble. | | | |
| John Textor on 19:18 - Jul 12 with 1143 views | StokieBlue |
| John Textor on 19:10 - Jul 12 by SimonBatfordITFC |
There’s a big difference between 6 pages of debating a story about our player in the national press and a poster on the wind up with nonsensical speculation that they’ve made up. Darkhorse was clearly baiting and, as usual, you were the first to nibble. |
"As usual".
I've never replied to him before and he's been doing it for ages.
As a new poster you're certainly confident in your historical knowledge of the forum.... it's also interesting that as a new poster you decided to single out my post when many others replied and I wasn't even the first person to reply twice....
Not the first time you've singled me out either.
Your thread wasn't a debate, that was 6 pages of you refusing to accept evidence provided by a large number of posters because you'd made yourself look silly. It was trolling, clear and simple.
It's very clear what you're trying to do, give it a rest.
SB | | | |
| John Textor on 19:44 - Jul 12 with 1068 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| John Textor on 19:18 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
"As usual".
I've never replied to him before and he's been doing it for ages.
As a new poster you're certainly confident in your historical knowledge of the forum.... it's also interesting that as a new poster you decided to single out my post when many others replied and I wasn't even the first person to reply twice....
Not the first time you've singled me out either.
Your thread wasn't a debate, that was 6 pages of you refusing to accept evidence provided by a large number of posters because you'd made yourself look silly. It was trolling, clear and simple.
It's very clear what you're trying to do, give it a rest.
SB |
You’ve managed to turn “don’t feed the troll” into a particularly personal attack. Bravo. | | | |
| John Textor on 19:48 - Jul 12 with 1042 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| John Textor on 19:18 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
"As usual".
I've never replied to him before and he's been doing it for ages.
As a new poster you're certainly confident in your historical knowledge of the forum.... it's also interesting that as a new poster you decided to single out my post when many others replied and I wasn't even the first person to reply twice....
Not the first time you've singled me out either.
Your thread wasn't a debate, that was 6 pages of you refusing to accept evidence provided by a large number of posters because you'd made yourself look silly. It was trolling, clear and simple.
It's very clear what you're trying to do, give it a rest.
SB |
I just stopped responding to him - he just needs to have the final word however misguided his posts are … | | | |
| John Textor on 09:29 - Jul 13 with 762 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 10:15 - Jul 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Since you don’t seem to the understand the difference between owners and investors, this completely invalidates your comments (as usual).
Try harder. |
I do apologise. I thought Gamechanger owned rhe nsbkrjty if the club 52%?
Is that not the case? And one of their key investors had released a statement, saying the club valuation was up to £350 million and their stake (a majority) was avislbke to buy for between whatever the figure Brett gave out. £180-200 plus million.
What % do Gamechanger own? Who is the majority owner? Why is Brett trying to sell something he doesn’t have a stake in? .., the three lions have 5% of the club but executive control over the Gamechanger investment was my understanding.
Happy for you to put me straight, it has become slightly obscure with the various minority investments.., but thought our majority owners had remained unaltered.
Always open to meaning though.., so who owns us, how much is up for sale as a % and what that value us at.
If Brett is wrong about his numbers and who owns us, that’s not great. I’d expect someone who’s invested his own money to have a decent grasp. | | | |
| John Textor on 09:36 - Jul 13 with 716 views | BloomBlue |
I'm confused, he told UEFA he had no input to the overall running of CP??
That was CPs defence for not kicking them out of the Europa cup, are you telling me Textor didn't tell the truth  |  | | |
| John Textor on 09:42 - Jul 13 with 704 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 10:54 - Jul 12 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Lyon have flogged their best players. No point in short term success if you bring the club to the brink to achieve it.
Palace. He has v little credit there, he is on record as complaining he couldn't get anything done. Parish takes most of the credit.
Botofogo....highly questionable accounting, I dont think your giving decent journalists enough credit. Also interfering with team selections. Got Romanov vibes all over it.
Lastly our owners are not looking to sell, they are looking for additional investment. Very, very different things and it feels like you are trying to muddy the difference between the 2. Perhaps due to an agenda? |
Brett said a majority stake is available, for up to £200 million on a valuation of around £350 million.
He owns 5% along with the three lions, but represents Gamechanger who own 52%.., that my understanding, happy to be corrected if I’m wrong, no agenda.
That’s a majority stake. It means the club is for sale.., and Brett should know, he literally represents Gamechanger, and he speaks English.
We’ve sold minority stakes to Ed and the native North American group, but my understanding was the investment would secure a majarity stake.
It’s a level of investment at a valuation, that warrants it, clearly.
There’s no ambiguity.
Appreciate the club are saying differently, but what choice do they have?
It’s poor from Brett.
We have season tickets, a waiting list, a new kit, players to negotiate selling, and players to negotiate buying, plus it unsettled the playing group potentially.
So I actually have empathy for Ashton…, but the fact remains, it’s a majority stake not a minority investment.
Unless Brett doesn’t understand numbers and English, and I think he does.., better than anyone.
We’re putting out fires, be she even Evans managed to keep the sale out of the public domain for a couple of years before he sold, for obvious commercial reasons.
So telling the world you’re for sake. And selling player inventory at significant levels, is t great.
Also no clarity from gamechanger, they’re sticking by their statement, and. K thing official from the club.
Just using media channels to put out some fires.
How many leaks from the club with player signings since the news?
More in two days than in two years.
It’s not how Ashton does business. Ever.
Except when a distraction is needed …, if Brett doesn’t speak for the majority shareholder and has made it up, I’m happy to be corrected, seems to be exactly what it seems to be to me though.
We might want to cut the personal attacks and actually address the issue though.
Because if it’s true, we need owners that want to be here, and want to move us forwards, and it can get messy pretending inertia is a solution.
You sound like someone in a relationship, whose partner doesn’t want to be there…, but you just can’t let go.
The wording of Brett’s statement couldn’t be any clearer…, and Phil published the statement for a reason.
He might not be able to comment on it .., it does the club no good…, but you had better get your head around it.
Majority stake.
That’s not an investment. That’s ownership. | | | |
| John Textor on 09:49 - Jul 13 with 682 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 10:54 - Jul 12 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Lyon have flogged their best players. No point in short term success if you bring the club to the brink to achieve it.
Palace. He has v little credit there, he is on record as complaining he couldn't get anything done. Parish takes most of the credit.
Botofogo....highly questionable accounting, I dont think your giving decent journalists enough credit. Also interfering with team selections. Got Romanov vibes all over it.
Lastly our owners are not looking to sell, they are looking for additional investment. Very, very different things and it feels like you are trying to muddy the difference between the 2. Perhaps due to an agenda? |
That is the Lyon model, but isn’t it amevery clubs model? Maybe Real Madrid don’t sell, but even our biggest clubs need to sell if Saudi or Madrid come knocking.
It’s just the pyramid and they have a new stadium and great results, and the finances are t geared to a club, so Botafogo is a little insincere, they don’t technically have any debt, it’s all the eagles from a ross all the clubs.
I like it as a model, it seems to have worked for all the stakeholders, but does come with risks.
I’m not sure I’d want to be anywhere but the top of the pyramid .., so does Botafogo success and revenue in the club World Cup help finance Lyons new stadium …, maybe…, would they be in a club World Cup without Lyon’s leverage.., certainly not.
In a sport where fans like binary and black and white, it’s not an easy sell, that’s for sure. | | | |
| John Textor on 10:15 - Jul 13 with 626 views | darkhorse28 |
| John Textor on 17:58 - Jul 12 by StokieBlue |
Ok then, give us some examples of these positive posts about the club and it's current playing, management and boardroom staff.
Hatred? This is the first time I've ever responded to one of your baiting posts.
The last paragraph is laughable. Well done.
SB |
I don’t really post, the odd comment and I like balance.
I could talk all day about McKenna as a hugely talented coach, his obvious obsession with football, his kindness, ability to get a team playing really good football, and about how back to back promotions is beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
He’s largely responsible for that, great backing from the owners, great ability for getting deals over the line from Ashton, he’s developed into a very effective operator in the EFL over 35 years, building networks, and he’s better than he’s ever been (I would think having never actually worked with him)
The owners, spent, invested, trusted Ashton and McKenna 100% and backed them, couldn’t have done anymore than they have.
In EFL terms they are all 8/9 out of 10 …, McKenna is 39, so he’s highest, he could one day be a 10.
Superb. I loved being at the Huddersfield game…, couldn’t even breath…, finished the day drinking with John Wark…., at 51 waited 22 years for that.., it’s a long time.
So thanks Kieren, and Ashton and Brett and the three lions and O’Leary for his support of Ashton.
Brilliant.
Then we hit the premier league. And if we’d spent up to £50 million I’d be still as above.
It’s progress. We’re moving forwards, it’s fantastic, it’s part of the journey, we’ve come so far.
Except that didn’t happen.
McKenna wanted to leave. He stayed having leveraged a record contract and record investment levels, both come with huge risks to the clubs future.
We didn’t do well…, no point going on about it, but the worst set of results relative to our competition, is poor after those levels of investment.
It only bothers me in the context of the consequences, not the results.
It’s clear they promised the owners much more…, and a MAJORITY stake in the club is now up for sale.
Our best players have left and are leaving, most of the staff know what’s going on and have looked after themselves and it will impact our future having £20 million a year liabilities form that spending, on EFL revenue.
It all adds up to 13 months of really poor decision making…., and to be honest it starts at the top.
Even never put a structure around and above McKenna and Ashton in place.
Ashton has no record of success outside the EFL, and McKenna is 39, a puppy in management terms.
Both could be 10’s in the EFL and 3/10 in the premier league, that’s just the size of the challenge.
And he’s, we were promoted too soon…, but all the more reason the level of investment, and consequences when it go’s wrong are even MORD important.
Like a lot of football fans, you seem to struggle to process anything beyond your tribal needs and emotional investment.
Ashton and McKenna…, best in the world aren’t they? No complexity, no nuance, no processing the facts and information as it changes, you can’t seem to do that.
So you can’t evaluate, can’t add agency, accountability, scrutiny.
And that’s why you’re at odds with our owners.
They don’t want to be here, they don’t believe in Ashton and McKenna to achieve the long term dream, and THAT is why all those posts about how much we were spending, getting poor value, what were the owners promised by Ashton, and McKenna
That’s why they were importnst.
Because it was always obvious by dint of spending hundreds of millions, and making a manager paid at European qualification levels, that relegation could bring consequences beyond just taking. Astro back.
They could be profound.
And they are profound.
I’m still positive though. I never thought gamechanger were the long term answer and would get the structure right, I didn’t know, but there was just zero evidence, they’ve never done it before, and certainly not in our leagues.
I’d rather have someone with deep pockets that has a track record of getting it right off the field hence the Textor post.
I think he’ll have much more success than Gamechanger longer term…, maybe I’m wrong. Who knows…, just my opinion.
But stop the child like attacks…, you look small, petty. We don’t live in caves…, it’s not a nil sim game where someone wins and loses.
We’re actually in the same team!! We win and lose together!
Ashton is premier league…, even our owners see that.
McKenna, he’s 39, could be anything, but that does include never being good enough, that is an outcome, he’s still way off at the minute.
Watched him coach recently.
HUGELY impressive…, I’ve watched Bobby coach a lot, I’ve seen Jose coach too…, McKenna was outstanding taking a session, and I mean that.
But maybe that’s what held us back last year.
Does he think he can take 8/10 EFL players who are 3/10 in the Prem …, and coach the gap? ??
I think he does.
And he can’t. Not a dig either. I don’t think any coach in world football can take an exclusively EFL squad and achieve that.
Nobody.
But I think McKenna and Ashton thought they could…, and that’s part of why we struggled so much.
They certainly sold the media hype to the owners.
Now it’ll be all change off the pitch.
Having Ashton stay, only for continuity for the sale, isn’t positive…, we are a bit of a mess too down at the minute.
Hopefully that changes soon.., it will need to if we want long term success. | | | |
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