| Awful performance 16:58 - Aug 23 with 4307 views | noggin |
Possession leading to nothing. KM, now is the time to prove that you are the best young manager in the country. |  |
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| Poor result not a bad performance on 22:42 - Aug 24 with 210 views | PioneerBlue |
It simply wasn’t an awful performance, it was a performance to build wins on top of. There were a few players not able to influence the game to the extent we’d hope and obviously we didn’t score a goal. I gave your comments and uppy but don’t agree with the OP headline which deserves a downy. It was however an poor result. |  |
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| Awful performance on 22:51 - Aug 24 with 179 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 22:21 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Without that jan window. KM wouldn't have got us out of league 1. That's obviously what the window is for. But let's not pretend he got paul cooks squad promoted without spending millions more to achieve it. Broady. Davis. Loungo. Clarke. All massive contributors to that promotion push after a testing winter period.
BTW it doesn't matter of course. But just a reason why I see it as that. [Post edited 24 Aug 22:30]
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I seem to recall everyone feeling that McKenna hadn't been given the backing he needed and that there was no way we were going to keep up with Sheffield Wednesday and Barnsley (or was it Peterborough or Bolton?) I think everyone expected Plymouth to fade away too.
I agree you thought it wasn't impressive but I think everyone else did and repeatedly thought we had blown it. |  |
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| Awful performance on 23:26 - Aug 24 with 139 views | Smoresy |
| Awful performance on 19:36 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Lambert never had the sort of funds or squad KM had. Doesn't change the fack he was sht mind you but cant compare the two as lambert had a sht show behind him compared to the project and the management behind KM.
Cook didn't get to add to the squad he put together. Again doesn't change the fact he was sht either but he started the project. KM took his players then spent millions more on it.
The squad KM had at league 1 level was ridiculous let alone even more so with the Jan additions.
I see someone else mention it.. we are kinda at KMs own version of paul cooks first summer.... |
I haven't followed the nuances of this discussion but would like to lend my support to the notion that we were the PSG or Man City of L1 that promotion year.
We spent more in transfers than our 23 rivals combined. Our wage bill was more than double Plymouth's, £4m+ higher than Wednesday's. We posted the second biggest loss in L1 history*, if you exclude Derby's £20m impairment of purchased goodwill that same season. We paid £3m+ more in wages than we did in 21/22, £6m+ than in 20/21 (significant sums at L1 level). Hard to disagree with those numbers really.
What was impressive about McKenna's first promotion, beside meeting expectations so early in a career, was the patterns of play and performance levels in the second half of the season. The wider community had picked up on just how well we were playing, with labels of greatest L1 side ever, and it felt like we were performing better than one level above our standing, later proved.
*Think I've misremembered / conflated this with recording the second largest wage bill in L1 history, which is presumably now the third biggest after Brum made it rain last season. Sunderland held the record. [Post edited 24 Aug 23:52]
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| Awful performance on 23:47 - Aug 24 with 107 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 23:26 - Aug 24 by Smoresy |
I haven't followed the nuances of this discussion but would like to lend my support to the notion that we were the PSG or Man City of L1 that promotion year.
We spent more in transfers than our 23 rivals combined. Our wage bill was more than double Plymouth's, £4m+ higher than Wednesday's. We posted the second biggest loss in L1 history*, if you exclude Derby's £20m impairment of purchased goodwill that same season. We paid £3m+ more in wages than we did in 21/22, £6m+ than in 20/21 (significant sums at L1 level). Hard to disagree with those numbers really.
What was impressive about McKenna's first promotion, beside meeting expectations so early in a career, was the patterns of play and performance levels in the second half of the season. The wider community had picked up on just how well we were playing, with labels of greatest L1 side ever, and it felt like we were performing better than one level above our standing, later proved.
*Think I've misremembered / conflated this with recording the second largest wage bill in L1 history, which is presumably now the third biggest after Brum made it rain last season. Sunderland held the record. [Post edited 24 Aug 23:52]
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Didn't Lambert and Cook also have the most expensive squads in League 1 and were unable to perform to that standard with them? To get the players in and playing effectively together so quickly was impressive and it took a colossal achievement from Plymouth to finish ahead of us. Finishing ahead of Sheffield Wednesday was never a foregone conclusion. It wasn't like Man City/Celtic levels of expectation at all. | |
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| Awful performance on 00:03 - Aug 25 with 90 views | Smoresy |
| Awful performance on 23:47 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Didn't Lambert and Cook also have the most expensive squads in League 1 and were unable to perform to that standard with them? To get the players in and playing effectively together so quickly was impressive and it took a colossal achievement from Plymouth to finish ahead of us. Finishing ahead of Sheffield Wednesday was never a foregone conclusion. It wasn't like Man City/Celtic levels of expectation at all. |
I don't know but would confidently guess we had the 2nd highest wage bill in Lambert's last season, and the 3rd highest in Cook's season. Your / outside / general expectations may not have been that we'd finish ahead of Wednesday in 22/23, can't remember personally, but we far outstripped them in spending. In that sense I'd say it was very similar; money should talk. | | | |
| Awful performance on 00:07 - Aug 25 with 80 views | bluepope |
| Awful performance on 18:48 - Aug 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh here we go.
He didn't join Palace, Brighton or Chelsea, so yep, he is committed. If he wasn't he'd have taken one of them.
Suggesting he's waiting for the West Ham job is a ridiculous comment. Even if it were available. |
Did Palace, Brighton or Chelsea actually offer him a job?
I agree it would be ridiculous for him to be waiting for the West Ham job, surely
he and his agent would have to be delusional to think his record would make him
a viable candidate? | | | |
| Awful performance on 00:10 - Aug 25 with 76 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 00:03 - Aug 25 by Smoresy |
I don't know but would confidently guess we had the 2nd highest wage bill in Lambert's last season, and the 3rd highest in Cook's season. Your / outside / general expectations may not have been that we'd finish ahead of Wednesday in 22/23, can't remember personally, but we far outstripped them in spending. In that sense I'd say it was very similar; money should talk. |
So McKenna was given a squad underperforming to a tune of about eight league places, spent a decent amount of money and turned them into one underperforming by one league place within months.
I would still make that very impressive especially with laying the foundations for what followed too. | |
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| Awful performance on 00:16 - Aug 25 with 69 views | Smoresy |
| Awful performance on 00:10 - Aug 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So McKenna was given a squad underperforming to a tune of about eight league places, spent a decent amount of money and turned them into one underperforming by one league place within months.
I would still make that very impressive especially with laying the foundations for what followed too. |
I mean it certainly isn't unimpressive. Believe you're significantly downplaying the relative difference in expenditure mind - between our investment in players that year and Wednesday's investment could probably have fitted Plymouth's entire wage bill. | | | |
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| Awful performance on 00:25 - Aug 25 with 56 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Awful performance on 00:16 - Aug 25 by Smoresy |
I mean it certainly isn't unimpressive. Believe you're significantly downplaying the relative difference in expenditure mind - between our investment in players that year and Wednesday's investment could probably have fitted Plymouth's entire wage bill. |
But there is a lot to be said for developing a team which is why Plymouth were able to finish ahead of us but not compete at the level above. | |
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