| When an egomaniac is running a business.... 16:00 - Sep 1 with 6781 views | Bloots |
....with nobody controlling him, this is what happens.
It may work, but it doesn't feel right to me.
In what should have been a season where we built from a position of strength that we have never been in before, we appear to have spiralled into a "sh1t or bust" position.
It has to work or the yanks will be headhunting very quickly, and you couldn't really blame them.
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| When an egomaniac is running a business.... on 08:22 - Sep 2 with 377 views | BlueForYou |
| When an egomaniac is running a business.... on 18:26 - Sep 1 by Bobbychase |
Funny how he wasn't an egomaniac when we had back to back promotions under the manager he earmarked and brought to the club, our commercial revenue skyrocketed and we landed almost all our transfer targets. Weird.... |
Mr O’Leary was still with us then. He retired after we had gained promotion. So it’s entirely possible to trace the “chaos” back to that point. |  | | |
| Balderdash.... on 11:28 - Sep 2 with 283 views | Whos_blue |
| Balderdash.... on 22:36 - Sep 1 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
If he thought he was our best option to win a game of football on Saturday then it’s a bit worrying that he’s now suddenly deemed surplus to requirements, is it not? |
But as I posted elsewhere, the same could be said about Guehi. Played for Palace on the Sunday. Signed for Liverpool on the Monday.
It's football.
It's really not that deep.
Edit: Just seen the Guehi transfer fell through but rather than edit my post I think the point still stands. [Post edited 2 Sep 11:56]
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| When an egomaniac is running a business.... on 11:46 - Sep 2 with 272 views | Bluemike31 |
| When an egomaniac is running a business.... on 16:28 - Sep 1 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Oh how this forum blows hot and cold.
It's like some people are just looking for reasons to be hysterical... [Post edited 1 Sep 17:52]
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Exactly, I have read some rubbish in my time but this thread is right up there. |  | | |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 11:58 - Sep 2 with 247 views | Ryorry |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 07:08 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Also have to remember many of these players wanted out, we loved them but we can’t keep them for sentimental reasons.
Wolf, Morsy, Broady, Burgess, all wanted to leave. Axel, Delap, Omari had prem offers, maybe even Chappers asked to leave as Portsmouth were his club.
I think in an ideal world Kmac would have kept these guys, but it was out of his control. |
Said on other thread that you're totally ignoring the main reason for *why* Wolf, Broady, Burgess, Chapper might understandably want to leave.
Having newly arrived big price-tag players regularly picked ahead of you, even though their performances were at best no better than your own & sometimes worse, would certainly cause you to feel unwanted & looking for a transfer where you'd be playing most games.
The other players you mention were always likely to go for perfectly understandable reasons.
I agree that KM was probably not the one making the decisions re the first set of players. I think he's probably quite p'd off about that but is tactful enough to keep buttoned about it, even though hints of it have emerged recently despite himself. |  |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 12:23 - Sep 2 with 218 views | LeoMuff |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 11:58 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
Said on other thread that you're totally ignoring the main reason for *why* Wolf, Broady, Burgess, Chapper might understandably want to leave.
Having newly arrived big price-tag players regularly picked ahead of you, even though their performances were at best no better than your own & sometimes worse, would certainly cause you to feel unwanted & looking for a transfer where you'd be playing most games.
The other players you mention were always likely to go for perfectly understandable reasons.
I agree that KM was probably not the one making the decisions re the first set of players. I think he's probably quite p'd off about that but is tactful enough to keep buttoned about it, even though hints of it have emerged recently despite himself. |
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but for me only Broadhead looked like he would remotely challenge those in their positions. The others were clearly back up. |  |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:03 - Sep 2 with 176 views | Ryorry |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 12:23 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but for me only Broadhead looked like he would remotely challenge those in their positions. The others were clearly back up. |
"The others were clearly back up".
My point, which you keep missing, was that they *shouldn't* have been just backup. Esp Burgess. | |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:07 - Sep 2 with 168 views | LeoMuff |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:03 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
"The others were clearly back up".
My point, which you keep missing, was that they *shouldn't* have been just backup. Esp Burgess. |
Likewise, my point is O Shea, Greaves , Szmodics, were clearly better and had far better records at previous clubs thus the others were back up. Also the opinion of Kmac and staff. | |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:15 - Sep 2 with 157 views | Ryorry |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:07 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Likewise, my point is O Shea, Greaves , Szmodics, were clearly better and had far better records at previous clubs thus the others were back up. Also the opinion of Kmac and staff. |
"O Shea, Greaves , Szmodics, were clearly better "
Nonsense. It's what they did (and didn't) do *here* after many performances that should count, not their history playing another manager's different tactics in a different squad. (SS was of course out for such a lengthy spell I don't think it's fair to include him).
You've also ignored my point about the extent of the churn probably not being something that KM had a huge amount of choice in.
We'll have to agree to disagree I think. [Post edited 2 Sep 13:18]
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:20 - Sep 2 with 140 views | LeoMuff |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:15 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
"O Shea, Greaves , Szmodics, were clearly better "
Nonsense. It's what they did (and didn't) do *here* after many performances that should count, not their history playing another manager's different tactics in a different squad. (SS was of course out for such a lengthy spell I don't think it's fair to include him).
You've also ignored my point about the extent of the churn probably not being something that KM had a huge amount of choice in.
We'll have to agree to disagree I think. [Post edited 2 Sep 13:18]
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The only way to completely answer this argument is access player performance data and I don’t have that, however the guys that do came to the same conclusions. | |
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| When an egomaniac is running a business.... on 13:24 - Sep 2 with 123 views | BiGDonnie |
This thread is utterly tragic. I'm gonna bookmark it and come back to it at Christmas when we're top. |  |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:24 - Sep 2 with 123 views | Ryorry |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:20 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
The only way to completely answer this argument is access player performance data and I don’t have that, however the guys that do came to the same conclusions. |
Stats are absolutely *not* everything. Has been said before here by others than myself that "evidence of eyes" is too much ignored.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. | |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:27 - Sep 2 with 110 views | LeoMuff |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:24 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
Stats are absolutely *not* everything. Has been said before here by others than myself that "evidence of eyes" is too much ignored.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. |
Yet KMac and his staff see the players train daily and also came to the same conclusion. | |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:34 - Sep 2 with 98 views | Ryorry |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:27 - Sep 2 by LeoMuff |
Yet KMac and his staff see the players train daily and also came to the same conclusion. |
You're now contradicting even yoursel - you said in your post of 07.08 this morning on this thread -
"I think in an ideal world Kmac would have kept these guys, but it was out of his control." | |
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| Balderdash.... on 13:35 - Sep 2 with 93 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Balderdash.... on 11:28 - Sep 2 by Whos_blue |
But as I posted elsewhere, the same could be said about Guehi. Played for Palace on the Sunday. Signed for Liverpool on the Monday.
It's football.
It's really not that deep.
Edit: Just seen the Guehi transfer fell through but rather than edit my post I think the point still stands. [Post edited 2 Sep 11:56]
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That’s not remotely the same though as clearly Palace ideally wanted to keep Guehi, even before the transfer fell through, so makes perfect sense that they would view him as a starter while still at the club
In Chaplin’s case though he seemingly went from good enough to start to Saturday to being surplus to requirements on Monday |  |
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| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:37 - Sep 2 with 71 views | LeoMuff |
| Hopefully the last 16 months.... on 13:34 - Sep 2 by Ryorry |
You're now contradicting even yoursel - you said in your post of 07.08 this morning on this thread -
"I think in an ideal world Kmac would have kept these guys, but it was out of his control." |
Not really - would have kept them as back up, which they clearly weren’t happy with hence out of his control. [Post edited 2 Sep 13:38]
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