| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 with 1075 views | Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:24 - Sep 3 with 1033 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
Roll on the Corbyn/Green alliance!
Whoops sorry I nearly forgot that they're all terrorist sympathising antisemites! |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 with 1035 views | DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:28 - Sep 3 with 1010 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 by DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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You literally couldn't make it up could you.....oh hold on it turns out that you could! [Post edited 3 Sep 21:43]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:31 - Sep 3 with 981 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:28 - Sep 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You literally couldn't make it up could you.....oh hold on it turns out that you could! [Post edited 3 Sep 21:43]
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It also led to a disproportionate number of Jewish members being investigated or expelled for antisemitism. Or being required to undergo antisemitism training.
To my mind this is completely bonkers. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:34]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:33 - Sep 3 with 974 views | J2BLUE |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
What did she say that you took issue with?
Genuinely asking. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:35 - Sep 3 with 956 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:25 - Sep 3 by DJR |
You mean things like this (from a Guardian article on McSweeney et al).
"After a few months working from a park bench, the group funded a small office in Vauxhall, and soon it reached out to former Labour advisers to work alongside them with a focus on online antisemitism. In an early review, they identified problem posts in hundreds of Facebook groups with links to either the party or left wing politics. Some of these were aimed at Labour’s female Jewish MPs. They then farmed out the posts they uncovered to journalists who were themselves reporting on rising evidence of antisemitism on the left." [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:36 - Sep 3 with 949 views | Trequartista |
One of the more impressive Labour front benchers, which is currently quite a low bar. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:41 - Sep 3 with 921 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:33 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE |
What did she say that you took issue with?
Genuinely asking. |
She gleefully celebrated to high court ruling that denied trans women the right to be viewed as women legally. And attacked the concept of gender ideology. So effectively the right to view yourself how you would like to be viewed irrespective of the legal position. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:42 - Sep 3 with 904 views | DJR |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:36 - Sep 3 by Trequartista |
One of the more impressive Labour front benchers, which is currently quite a low bar. |
Personally, I have always had my doubts about someone who when President of the National Union of Students supported tuition fees. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:58 - Sep 3 with 802 views | Trequartista |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:42 - Sep 3 by DJR |
Personally, I have always had my doubts about someone who when President of the National Union of Students supported tuition fees. [Post edited 3 Sep 21:44]
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I didn't know that - that's erm brave if not anything else! I meant since he's been a front-bencher. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:04 - Sep 3 with 772 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:16 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
A slimy fker, no doubt about it. I can’t warm to him at all.
They really don’t like trans people. I thought my MP (Antonia Antoniazzi) was doing a half decent job; relatively quiet in Westminster, avoiding the culture wars and available to her constituents. But she couldn’t wait to stand up in the commons and deny trans women the right to be who they are.
I lent them my vote to keep the Tories out, but won’t be making that mistake again unless they have a complete clear out and reboot. |
the right of trans women to be who they are is enshrined in equality law and harassment law. they are legally protected from discrimination and harassment and have exactly the same human right protections as everyone else. they have no fewer rights and no more.
what they can't do - and what no male can do - is claim sexed based rights and protections which are legally assigned to biological women. they can adopt the gender identity they choose - and receive full legal protection in so doing - but they can't claim to be biological women or claim the legal rights reserved to biological women.
it sounds as if your mp was spot on - no one is attempting to prevent gender non-conforming males from "being who they are" but in the context of discrimination law they can't claim to be something that they are not. |  |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:20 - Sep 3 with 665 views | Trequartista |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 21:41 - Sep 3 by Swansea_Blue |
She gleefully celebrated to high court ruling that denied trans women the right to be viewed as women legally. And attacked the concept of gender ideology. So effectively the right to view yourself how you would like to be viewed irrespective of the legal position. |
Perhaps when she attacked gender ideology, she wasn't attacking trans people and how they want to identify, but attacked the concept of telling kids they are born in the wrong body if they don't conform to male and female stereotypes, or the concept behind the now-closed Tavistock clinic. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 with 607 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:20 - Sep 3 by Trequartista |
Perhaps when she attacked gender ideology, she wasn't attacking trans people and how they want to identify, but attacked the concept of telling kids they are born in the wrong body if they don't conform to male and female stereotypes, or the concept behind the now-closed Tavistock clinic. |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:43 - Sep 3 with 552 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. |
Get your own thread, this one is dedicated to hypocritical Wes! | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 00:50 - Sep 4 with 374 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 22:32 - Sep 3 by lowhouseblue |
or indeed the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant that all a male needs to do is say that he 'feels like a woman' to instantly becomes indistinguishable from one. |
Your previous post was measured, but now you're stretching.
I don't think any of the trans women who I know are in any way promoting "the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant". |  | | |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 08:36 - Sep 4 with 104 views | lowhouseblue |
| Oh the irony Wes! on 00:50 - Sep 4 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Your previous post was measured, but now you're stretching.
I don't think any of the trans women who I know are in any way promoting "the intensely misogynist concept that the distinct life experience of biological women is so utterly insignificant". |
i think you're wrong. the act of saying that a male is no different from biological women, when that male lacks their life experience and defining characteristics, is necessarily to imply that that life experience and those defining characteristics are insignificant and don't matter. many biological women i know do feel that to be misogynistic. it is never said openly, and no one 'promotes' it explicitly, but it is an unavoidable and necessary implication. implying that being female is nothing more than something 'anyone can feel' is dismissive of the distinct life experience of biological women. as the law makes clear, recognising and respecting sex-based differences is essential. | |
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| Oh the irony Wes! on 08:52 - Sep 4 with 38 views | baxterbasics |
Bringing it back to the OP - there's a difference between politicians using tweets to attack each other, and the police using them as a basis to send an armed unit after a minor personality. Whatever your opinion on Mr Linehan and the opinions he shares, that's a massive overreach and indeed a waste of police resources. |  |
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