| Some good news on climate change 08:33 - Sep 10 with 1414 views | CoachRob |
China is finally turning the corner on emissions and renewables now cover all additional energy demand.
The Carbon Brief report states;
"The CO2 output of the nation’s power sector – its dominant source of emissions – fell by 3% in the first half of the year, as growth in solar power alone matched the rise in electricity demand."
"Coal use in the power industry fell by 3.4% compared with the same period a year earlier, while gas use increased by 6%, resulting in a 3.2% drop in emissions for the sector overall."
In terms of renewables the additional capacity to be added is quite astonishing.
"The State Grid should have detailed knowledge of projects seeking to connect to the electricity grid, so its projections carry extra weight compared with others. If its expectations for wind and solar growth are realised, this would result in around 850TWh of annual clean power generation being added to the grid in 2025...
This new clean power capacity would be more than enough to meet the entire electricity demand of Brazil (760TWh), or Germany and the UK combined (817TWh)."
As an engineering feat alone it is very impressive to see.
China is still well short of its' National Determined Contributions (NDC's) as is the UK, but it is some positive progress.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-record-solar-growth-keeps-chinas-co2-fallin |  | | |  |
| Some good news on climate change on 08:38 - Sep 10 with 1367 views | J2BLUE |
I'm getting the image of Jimmy Carr trying to put those cats back in the box on Countdown...just as one country gets on board another jumps out.
Trump has single-handedly allowed companies around the world to backtrack. BP go back towards fossil fuels after 'shareholder concerns'. You can't make it up. |  |
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| Some good news on climate change on 09:16 - Sep 10 with 1250 views | Guthrum |
It's in China's own best interest to make the move towards renewables. They have vast potential "resources" (i.e. areas suitable for wind and, particularly, solar), plus improved electricity transmission methods. But, chiefly, it increases their self-sufficiency and energy security, reducing the necessity to import coal from places like Australia.
Given they manufacture a lot of the world's solar panels, it has economic benefits, too.
Finally, it helps tackle the issue of dire pollution in Chinese cities. |  |
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| Some good news on climate change on 09:36 - Sep 10 with 1192 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Some good news on climate change on 08:38 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
I'm getting the image of Jimmy Carr trying to put those cats back in the box on Countdown...just as one country gets on board another jumps out.
Trump has single-handedly allowed companies around the world to backtrack. BP go back towards fossil fuels after 'shareholder concerns'. You can't make it up. |
Sorry J2 but you can't argue with the markets. |  |
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| Some good news on climate change on 09:37 - Sep 10 with 1193 views | BrightonBlue |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:16 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
It's in China's own best interest to make the move towards renewables. They have vast potential "resources" (i.e. areas suitable for wind and, particularly, solar), plus improved electricity transmission methods. But, chiefly, it increases their self-sufficiency and energy security, reducing the necessity to import coal from places like Australia.
Given they manufacture a lot of the world's solar panels, it has economic benefits, too.
Finally, it helps tackle the issue of dire pollution in Chinese cities. |
Just the issue of human rights & slave labour in the manufacture and sourcing of solar panels to contend with from Xinjiang. |  | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:42 - Sep 10 with 1174 views | Horsham |
China gets a lot of stick for emissions and all of that is fair but in terms of renewable energy from hydrogen for example they are real leaders from my little bit of experience in this area.
They have done some really impressive stuff. |  | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:45 - Sep 10 with 1131 views | Guthrum |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:37 - Sep 10 by BrightonBlue |
Just the issue of human rights & slave labour in the manufacture and sourcing of solar panels to contend with from Xinjiang. |
Yes, all of that. It's what gives China the competitive edge over the West, with our expensive, free labour force. Sadly, many businesspeople and politicians lust after similar levels of "productivity". | |
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| Some good news on climate change on 09:48 - Sep 10 with 1104 views | Trequartista |
Coal is down 3.4% but i wonder how high the actual amounts are in the first place. I thought they'd recently built more new coal plants in one year than the entire history of the uk |  |
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| Some good news on climate change on 09:57 - Sep 10 with 1055 views | CoachRob |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:48 - Sep 10 by Trequartista |
Coal is down 3.4% but i wonder how high the actual amounts are in the first place. I thought they'd recently built more new coal plants in one year than the entire history of the uk |
Capacity does not equal generation, we only care about what CO2 enters the atmosphere. China is starting from a much higher base, however, that rate of change is actually higher than the UK phase out of coal if it is sustained. | | | |
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| Some good news on climate change on 10:08 - Sep 10 with 1007 views | CoachRob |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:36 - Sep 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Sorry J2 but you can't argue with the markets. |
If that is who I think you're referencing then hopefully he won't turn up on this thread as I have him div. listed. | | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:18 - Sep 10 with 529 views | OldFart71 |
| Some good news on climate change on 09:45 - Sep 10 by Guthrum |
Yes, all of that. It's what gives China the competitive edge over the West, with our expensive, free labour force. Sadly, many businesspeople and politicians lust after similar levels of "productivity". |
Wages and prices are a vicious cycle. The more prices go up the more wages people need. The higher the wages go the more the prices go up. Every year whether you work, are on benefits or an O.A.P. we all want an increase in our "Wages" come April as we know everything will go up. But are we better off ? 99 times out of 100 the answer is NO and in many cases we are worse off.
But then you take China. High productivity, low wages. Continually pushing the boundaries of innovation and if they can't invent it, they pinch the technology from someone else.
Those that run Britain are far too easily prepared to sell off things that could make the country rich again.
Government policies mean that energy has the highest prices in the world, around four times that of the US. Is it any wonder that we cannot produce things needed not only for ourselves but also to sell to others.
How can we be sure climate changes haven't happened thousands of years ago and that the earth will eventually cool down for another ice age. There were people who believed the earth was flat and that proved totally wrong. |  | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:35 - Sep 10 with 484 views | mellowblue |
the advantages of a command economy linked to powerful capitalist success. Given the eaxample of the HS railway roll-out, once China's power conversion to environmentally friendly sources is fully underway, it will gain momentum quickly, there will be no stopping them. | | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:47 - Sep 10 with 452 views | chicoazul |
Chinas *new* coal fired power stations output alone will be more than the uks entire carbon output, but you keep washing out and recycling those baked beans tins boyos. |  |
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| Some good news on climate change on 17:50 - Sep 10 with 247 views | CoachRob |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:18 - Sep 10 by OldFart71 |
Wages and prices are a vicious cycle. The more prices go up the more wages people need. The higher the wages go the more the prices go up. Every year whether you work, are on benefits or an O.A.P. we all want an increase in our "Wages" come April as we know everything will go up. But are we better off ? 99 times out of 100 the answer is NO and in many cases we are worse off.
But then you take China. High productivity, low wages. Continually pushing the boundaries of innovation and if they can't invent it, they pinch the technology from someone else.
Those that run Britain are far too easily prepared to sell off things that could make the country rich again.
Government policies mean that energy has the highest prices in the world, around four times that of the US. Is it any wonder that we cannot produce things needed not only for ourselves but also to sell to others.
How can we be sure climate changes haven't happened thousands of years ago and that the earth will eventually cool down for another ice age. There were people who believed the earth was flat and that proved totally wrong. |
"How can we be sure climate changes haven't happened thousands of years ago and that the earth will eventually cool down for another ice age. There were people who believed the earth was flat and that proved totally wrong."
The fact you know about glacial cycles is down to paleoclimate data that allows us to reconstruct CO2 levels from the past using proxies such ice cores, boron isotopes, etc. If CO2 levels are too high (something we can measure) then the glacial cycling will be postponed.
Physics dismisses flat-earthers as complete nonsense, but if you have an alternative to physics to explain the Earth system then I'm all ears.
Plain language explainer here;
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-the-rise-and-fall-of-co2-levels-influe
As for the economics, it is becoming more and more apparent that The West have a totally disastrous understanding of the economy and until they join the 21st Century, the decline will continue. [Post edited 10 Sep 17:53]
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| Some good news on climate change on 17:53 - Sep 10 with 238 views | CoachRob |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:35 - Sep 10 by mellowblue |
the advantages of a command economy linked to powerful capitalist success. Given the eaxample of the HS railway roll-out, once China's power conversion to environmentally friendly sources is fully underway, it will gain momentum quickly, there will be no stopping them. |
It would be very welcome if China can maintain the momentum to make up for those now stalling (UK) or regressing (USA). | | | |
| Some good news on climate change on 18:24 - Sep 10 with 179 views | Guthrum |
| Some good news on climate change on 15:18 - Sep 10 by OldFart71 |
Wages and prices are a vicious cycle. The more prices go up the more wages people need. The higher the wages go the more the prices go up. Every year whether you work, are on benefits or an O.A.P. we all want an increase in our "Wages" come April as we know everything will go up. But are we better off ? 99 times out of 100 the answer is NO and in many cases we are worse off.
But then you take China. High productivity, low wages. Continually pushing the boundaries of innovation and if they can't invent it, they pinch the technology from someone else.
Those that run Britain are far too easily prepared to sell off things that could make the country rich again.
Government policies mean that energy has the highest prices in the world, around four times that of the US. Is it any wonder that we cannot produce things needed not only for ourselves but also to sell to others.
How can we be sure climate changes haven't happened thousands of years ago and that the earth will eventually cool down for another ice age. There were people who believed the earth was flat and that proved totally wrong. |
The idea of a flat Earth was never a scientific consensus, even back as far as the ancient Greeks (look up Erasthones). Man-made climate change is pretty close to being one.
Chinese productivity is based entirely on their own figures, of dubious reliability. In any case, I doubt most of us would enjoy the barracks-based, forced-working, pollution-smothered environment behind their technological boom. | |
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