| Politics and the media currently 08:32 - Sep 19 with 6255 views | itfcjoe |
Some major things that have come out of state visit, and the AI investment is something that gives the UK massive growth potential even if it sadly means the only way to do so is just trying to get into America's slipstream over it.
But real, massive success stories, that will affect the country for the next dozen years in a good way; but all we hear about is 'free speech', Farage, flags etc |  |
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| Politics and the media currently on 21:16 - Sep 19 with 1034 views | NthQldITFC |
| Politics and the media currently on 20:22 - Sep 19 by Superfrans |
Ah, so they’re not the worst of the worst - they’re the worst of the ones you expect to be good? That’s a very different thing. And there are very few (of us) on the left who aren’t disappointed with Starmer’s Government so far. But there are reasons. It’s politics. Like it or not.
I’m aligned with the comments of Jason Isaacs (Labour supporting actor) the other week, fwiw. Disappointed with the direction of travel of many many policies, but I have faith that the people in charge are good people (as Joe has said on this thread, I think) and their intentions are sound. Sometimes you have to think about the long term, not the here and now.
(None of this doesn’t mean that, in a proportional electoral system, I would vote Labour in the future btw - I’d veering further towards Green with every week that passes.) |
Who was it on here who used to go mental if you even mentioned the words 'representation' and 'proportional' in the same sentence? |  |
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| Politics and the media currently on 21:56 - Sep 19 with 939 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Politics and the media currently on 19:52 - Sep 19 by Superfrans |
Your argument doesn’t make sense.
They are “the worst” because they will deliver other people to power (Fromage and co) - who you seem to believe are worse… so they are not the worst?
The fact is, Labour have been left the worst situation in t(e recent history of the country. They are having to cosy up to someone they clearly detest (Trump). Even King Charles is having to wade in. Because of where we found ourselves when they came into power. It’s Real Politik.
Don’t blame the people trying to clean up the mess. It’s those who created in the first place who should take the blame…. |
Some good points there. I’m not particularly impressed with them. So far, foreign affairs is the only area where they seem reasonable (ignoring the Mandelson fiasco!). At least they’re not as bad as the last several Tory governments, but that’s a low bar. Their issues seem to be around unimaginative and uncoordinated policy, naivety/inexperience and poor comms. At least we don’t have them manufacturing outrage daily like we used to get from the worst of the Tory ministers.
Yes they’ve been handed a UK in dire straits. And Trump is certainly a problem. One other thing rarely mentioned on here is that many countries are facing low growth and high interest rate pressures (and all the things they affect such as housing costs, wages, employment rates, etc). While not an excuse for their failures, there’s probably a limit on what good can look like in the current global economic climate. |  |
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| Politics and the media currently on 22:47 - Sep 19 with 878 views | positivity |
| Politics and the media currently on 20:35 - Sep 19 by jasondozzell |
Respect your view but feel so far from it!
'Disappointed by the direction of travel'?! That barely touches it!
Good people are not mendacious careerists I'm afraid. Where are Starmer's principles or vision? He has lied more than Johnson ever did.
I don't think their intentions are sound. I think they wanted to pretend it was 1997. It isn't. |
very telling that you have bluebudgie in sync with you! |  |
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| Politics and the media currently on 03:23 - Sep 20 with 594 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Politics and the media currently on 09:17 - Sep 19 by giant_stow |
There's a nice cheerful piece on this by my man Ambrose: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/19/trumps-big-beautiful-tech-pact-w
"Those who argue that Britain’s net zero policies are destroying the economy – almost a common wisdom in the commentariat – might care to tell us why American hyperscalers are flocking to Britain to build the greatest concentration of energy-hungry data centres in Europe.
I have my criticisms of Labour’s clean power target of 2030. The rushed date renders the Government hostage to rent-seeking utilities, front-loads the cost, and is needlessly designed in such a way that it is pushing our domestic heavy industries to the wall.
But the US tech giants have deep pockets and are looking far over the horizon. Google, Microsoft, CoreWeave and Blackstone are making an entirely different judgment on the future costs and availability of electricity in Britain.
They have taken a deep look at the rapid rollout of wind, solar, interconnectors and battery capacity over the next five years, and they broadly like what they see." |
Interesting that the Telegraph would print that; I'd imagine it had some of their readers frothing at the mouth. They've been on an anti-green energy crusade for the last couple of decades (they were predicting blackouts in the early 2010s, which someone used to regularly repeat on here) and are now massively anti-net zero. |  | | |
| Politics and the media currently on 07:36 - Sep 20 with 385 views | DanTheMan |
| Politics and the media currently on 12:01 - Sep 19 by itfcjoe |
I think success story, in that AI is coming to replace our jobs whether we like it or not, so may as well try and have some growth/jobs as part of it.
If we don't get a handle on what AI will do, and is already doing to the world, and what a workforce plan etc looks like in that world we are going to be buggared either way |
People keep saying this but AI doesn't really do anything. There was a study that came out recently that showed that 95% of companies using it got no return on their investment. The only reason that it might come for people's jobs are because some CEOs got very excited and start sacking people preemptively before realising AI can't actually replace them.
The industry, except for Nvidia, is just losing money hand over fist. Nobody has worked out how to monetise it and right now it can't do more than be a chatbot or a passable search engine. |  |
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