| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today 16:24 - Nov 12 with 2077 views | ElderGrizzly |
Again, not that I expect it will make one bit of difference to him remaining as President, but it might just get the justice for his victims a bit closer with the release of the Epstein files.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/12/jeffrey-epstein-new-emails-donal
"In one of the memos, Epstein alleged to his co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell in April 2011 that Trump had a lengthy engagement in the company of one of the disgraced financier’s sex-trafficked victims.
“I want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump.. [victim name redacted] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned,” the message reads.
In her reply, Maxwell said: “I have been thinking about that.”
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:27 - Nov 12 with 2048 views | ElderGrizzly |
As I said, they will spin and lie until no-one cares anymore.
Or he starts another war to distract.
Having the Govt shutdown was to his advantage too of course. No drops of documents like this and now Johnson has to swear in the new Democrat member of congress and that is the one vote that tips it over to releasing the files. [Post edited 12 Nov 16:30]
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:46 - Nov 12 with 1970 views | BloomBlue |
The victims name is apparently Giuffre's. I've always found it strange she never named Trump, even in the recent book. |  | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 17:57 - Nov 12 with 1870 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:46 - Nov 12 by BloomBlue |
The victims name is apparently Giuffre's. I've always found it strange she never named Trump, even in the recent book. |
The White House are saying that (no-one else is), as she apparently said Trump wasn't involved.
It was redacted for a reason of course, to protect the victims which the White House may (or may not) have ignored to protect a potential paedophile.
It's not a great look for Trump either way. Why was he alone with a teenager for hours in Epstein's house? [Post edited 12 Nov 17:58]
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 18:51 - Nov 12 with 1758 views | WeWereZombies |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 17:57 - Nov 12 by ElderGrizzly |
The White House are saying that (no-one else is), as she apparently said Trump wasn't involved.
It was redacted for a reason of course, to protect the victims which the White House may (or may not) have ignored to protect a potential paedophile.
It's not a great look for Trump either way. Why was he alone with a teenager for hours in Epstein's house? [Post edited 12 Nov 17:58]
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Perhaps he was just getting some post employment views from when she was his sixteen year old employee at Mar-a-Lago ?
.In 2000, Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago when she was first approached by Ghislaine Maxwell and introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. Giuffre would later go on to make accusations against Maxwell and Epstein for sex trafficking her to clients including Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago#Trump_ownership |  |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 22:43 - Nov 12 with 1520 views | mellowblue |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 18:51 - Nov 12 by WeWereZombies |
Perhaps he was just getting some post employment views from when she was his sixteen year old employee at Mar-a-Lago ?
.In 2000, Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago when she was first approached by Ghislaine Maxwell and introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. Giuffre would later go on to make accusations against Maxwell and Epstein for sex trafficking her to clients including Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago#Trump_ownership |
has to be said here that she dropped accusations against Dershowitz saying it might have been a case of mistaken identity. She changed her mind pretty quickly when she was counter-sued. |  | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 23:41 - Nov 12 with 1443 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:27 - Nov 12 by ElderGrizzly |
As I said, they will spin and lie until no-one cares anymore.
Or he starts another war to distract.
Having the Govt shutdown was to his advantage too of course. No drops of documents like this and now Johnson has to swear in the new Democrat member of congress and that is the one vote that tips it over to releasing the files. [Post edited 12 Nov 16:30]
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A friend who works in US politics as a campaign organiser says this is cutting through with a significant chunk of Republican voters.
Mad MAGA Madge isn't going to let it lie:
http://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/news/press-releases/icymi-republican-rep-mar
Meanwhile, the Democratic Party Senators are in a state of Civil War:
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation-world/frustration-with-democratic-establish
We could witness a "changing of the guard" moment, and a new generation of leaders stepping forward on both sides, pushing themselves forward before the next Presidential election.
A President in their final term starts to become a lame duck from the halfway point onwards, because all eyes, all momentum and all political capital shifts to the race to who is going to become the party's candidate, and people line up to curry favour with them, rather than the outgoing President.
The midterms are shaping up to be very interesting! | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:20 - Nov 13 with 1253 views | WeWereZombies |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 22:43 - Nov 12 by mellowblue |
has to be said here that she dropped accusations against Dershowitz saying it might have been a case of mistaken identity. She changed her mind pretty quickly when she was counter-sued. |
Indeed, the web of deceit that had been woven around her from a young age must have made it intolerable to continue any legal action. Even trying to live an out of the way life in Australia became impossible as authorities from the United States pressed her for evidence against Epstein and Maxwell, the sadness of her being able to find only one way out becomes more tangible every day, doesn't it ? | |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:29 - Nov 13 with 1217 views | Cafe_Newman |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 22:43 - Nov 12 by mellowblue |
has to be said here that she dropped accusations against Dershowitz saying it might have been a case of mistaken identity. She changed her mind pretty quickly when she was counter-sued. |
None of the victims would stand a cat in hell's chance of getting justice against anyone in Epstein's little book - they are simply too powerful.
The system doesn't work like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Lala Land. |  | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 21:01 - Nov 13 with 967 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:29 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
None of the victims would stand a cat in hell's chance of getting justice against anyone in Epstein's little book - they are simply too powerful.
The system doesn't work like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Lala Land. |
So, sleeping with 15 year olds does not a paedophile make according to MAGA
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 22:16 - Nov 13 with 882 views | LeoMuff |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:29 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
None of the victims would stand a cat in hell's chance of getting justice against anyone in Epstein's little book - they are simply too powerful.
The system doesn't work like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Lala Land. |
Well Trump and his cronies seem to panicking about something, it’s not a good look to be desperately trying to shut down the release of the files… |  |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 22:59 - Nov 13 with 797 views | Whos_blue |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 21:01 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
So, sleeping with 15 year olds does not a paedophile make according to MAGA
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Deary me.
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| Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness. |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 23:09 - Nov 13 with 779 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 21:01 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
So, sleeping with 15 year olds does not a paedophile make according to MAGA
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She's right that having sex with a 15 year old isn't the same as having sex with a 5 year old, in the same way that killing somebody because you were driving at twice the legal alcohol limit isn't the same as killing somebody because you were four years times over the limit.
But either way, you have acted illegally and caused huge harm. In the case of sexual predators, the harm caused and control over the victim is a deliberate part of the offending.
The totality of what she says can be summed up as:
"He might be a vile sexual offender, but he might not be the vilest sexual offender. Maybe. Although somebody says ther is evidence that he is, as well, but I don't know whether to believe them."
It's an extraordinary hill for a political pundit to die on. | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:03 - Nov 14 with 620 views | iamatractorboy |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 23:09 - Nov 13 by ArnoldMoorhen |
She's right that having sex with a 15 year old isn't the same as having sex with a 5 year old, in the same way that killing somebody because you were driving at twice the legal alcohol limit isn't the same as killing somebody because you were four years times over the limit.
But either way, you have acted illegally and caused huge harm. In the case of sexual predators, the harm caused and control over the victim is a deliberate part of the offending.
The totality of what she says can be summed up as:
"He might be a vile sexual offender, but he might not be the vilest sexual offender. Maybe. Although somebody says ther is evidence that he is, as well, but I don't know whether to believe them."
It's an extraordinary hill for a political pundit to die on. |
She'll probably end up with a cabinet position. | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 09:58 - Nov 14 with 434 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 07:03 - Nov 14 by iamatractorboy |
She'll probably end up with a cabinet position. |
The stupid thing is, about 2 years ago she was as anti-Trump as you could find them. She also helped expose predatory sexual misconduct at Fox.
The appetite for the grift is stronger than morals in a lot it appears. | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 13:53 - Nov 14 with 344 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 09:58 - Nov 14 by ElderGrizzly |
The stupid thing is, about 2 years ago she was as anti-Trump as you could find them. She also helped expose predatory sexual misconduct at Fox.
The appetite for the grift is stronger than morals in a lot it appears. |
And now Bannon is implicated
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/14/jeffrey-epstein-steve-bannon
The friends you keep eh Donald? [Post edited 14 Nov 13:53]
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 14:17 - Nov 14 with 303 views | itfcjoe |
This was known before, and he's only implicated in speaking to him, as have dozens of others |  |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 14:39 - Nov 14 with 261 views | Bent_double |
I'm probably being really dumb, but if there still is, "loads of new evidence still to be released", why hasn't it been destroyed already?
I mean Trumps gone to great lengths to put his people in charge of things like the FBI, why don't they just destroy anything they find, then just say there was nothing in the first place?
All this drip-feeding of emails/messages alluding to the involvement of people in power, doesn't seem to be getting us any nearer the truth - whatever that is nowdays. |  |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 15:28 - Nov 14 with 227 views | Radlett_blue |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 21:01 - Nov 13 by ElderGrizzly |
So, sleeping with 15 year olds does not a paedophile make according to MAGA
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It's arbitrary where you draw the line. When Andrew first met Giuffre it was in London & she was 17. This isn't close to being a crime in Britain, whatever moral view you might want to take. |  |
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| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:15 - Nov 14 with 203 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 14:17 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
This was known before, and he's only implicated in speaking to him, as have dozens of others |
Yes, but it shows how deep into Trump's circle the association was.
For all his denials, his inner circle was still engaged with him right up to his death. | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 16:16 - Nov 14 with 200 views | ElderGrizzly |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 15:28 - Nov 14 by Radlett_blue |
It's arbitrary where you draw the line. When Andrew first met Giuffre it was in London & she was 17. This isn't close to being a crime in Britain, whatever moral view you might want to take. |
I'd say 15 is the illegal side of the line though? | | | |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 00:18 - Nov 15 with 41 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| More concrete links of Trump to Epstein released today on 15:28 - Nov 14 by Radlett_blue |
It's arbitrary where you draw the line. When Andrew first met Giuffre it was in London & she was 17. This isn't close to being a crime in Britain, whatever moral view you might want to take. |
The main issue with Giuffre herself, from Mr Windsor's standpoint, is the grooming and coercive control that got her into that position.
She alleged that he was complicit in that, and sought damages. He settled out of court for a large sum of money.
The even bigger deal is that she alleges that he took part in an orgy with girls who were younger than her. | | | |
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