| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides 02:38 - Dec 4 with 1258 views | melbs_itfc |
I thought it was interesting what Farke had to say post match after Leeds beat Chelsea. He suggests that as a newly promoted side you have to be flexible with your tactics to minimise the oppositions strengths. Now I know that isn’t rocket science but I wondered what people’s thoughts are regarding McKenna’s tactics. Was he too rigid in the Premier League and is he still the same now we are back in the Championship, or is that not necessarily the main issue regarding our struggles in the last 18 months?
“As a promoted side you have to concentrate to take the strength of the opponent away, mirror the opponent, play more pragmatic. I want to play more direct like we used to, but if you are promoted you have to be flexible and adapt to the opponent. I'm not married to a formation, but married to principles. I want to see the same principles on the pitch. It's important for the future for us to be unpredictable and adapt to different scenarios.” - Farke, post Leeds v Chelsea |  | | |  |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 04:43 - Dec 4 with 1109 views | Wacko |
Don’t know if Farke is exactly an expert on this | |
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| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 06:41 - Dec 4 with 948 views | Blue_Heath |
Ignoring the Farke bit but yes he's way too rigid.
His style of football has long been worked out now to the point where we cannot win against opposition that rank way below us as seen in numerous games we have failed to win, even Bromley FFS.
The style we play doesn't even suit the players we have, all that attacking talent wasted. The lack of goals and assists across the front players is staggering, the early Philogene bangers have dried up as have the Clarke sub goals. The others have 1 or 0 each. Coupled with our inability to keep clean sheets it is so clear something needs to change, I can't understand why KM an intelligent coach cannot figure something out. The biggest issue for is he rarely tries anything.
I really fear for next season as if we go up we'd be worse than Southampton and if we stay down it will be tough to get back up with Burnley/Wolves/Leeds never mind the Oxford's and Charlton's that we can't beat. I'd expect Wrexham, Brum etc to push on too. | |
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| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 07:50 - Dec 4 with 702 views | DJR |
It wasn't rigidity that did for us in the Premier League. Indeed, we did try to change thing by, for example, sometimes playing a back 5, and hitting it long from the keeper after Christmas.
The teams above us just had better and stronger players. [Post edited 4 Dec 7:52]
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| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 07:51 - Dec 4 with 692 views | muccletonjoe |
Some people say McKenna does adapt. I think his tweaking is so subtle that its hardly noticed by us or the opposition and makes very little difference to the speed or direction of the ball. |  | | |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 07:57 - Dec 4 with 662 views | BlueOura |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 06:41 - Dec 4 by Blue_Heath |
Ignoring the Farke bit but yes he's way too rigid.
His style of football has long been worked out now to the point where we cannot win against opposition that rank way below us as seen in numerous games we have failed to win, even Bromley FFS.
The style we play doesn't even suit the players we have, all that attacking talent wasted. The lack of goals and assists across the front players is staggering, the early Philogene bangers have dried up as have the Clarke sub goals. The others have 1 or 0 each. Coupled with our inability to keep clean sheets it is so clear something needs to change, I can't understand why KM an intelligent coach cannot figure something out. The biggest issue for is he rarely tries anything.
I really fear for next season as if we go up we'd be worse than Southampton and if we stay down it will be tough to get back up with Burnley/Wolves/Leeds never mind the Oxford's and Charlton's that we can't beat. I'd expect Wrexham, Brum etc to push on too. |
I agee with you however I wouldn't worry about us going up as very little chance of that on current evidence, and if we stay down I expect we will be under a new manager anyway. |  | | |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 08:03 - Dec 4 with 646 views | ArnieM |
God imagine the response on here from certain people, had i written that OP, LOL! |  |
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| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 08:04 - Dec 4 with 639 views | melbs_itfc |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 07:50 - Dec 4 by DJR |
It wasn't rigidity that did for us in the Premier League. Indeed, we did try to change thing by, for example, sometimes playing a back 5, and hitting it long from the keeper after Christmas.
The teams above us just had better and stronger players. [Post edited 4 Dec 7:52]
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If so then maybe recruitment is an issue then, as others have suggested on the forum?
Sunderland for example, are excelling in the Premier league having spent approximately the same amount as we did. However, were they able to get better quality players and value by largely recruiting overseas? Of course we brought mainly Championship players. I honestly don’t know the answers and really just curious what others think. | | | |
| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 08:25 - Dec 4 with 550 views | homer_123 |
An interesting one.
We've seen from KM how flexible he is, I've posted on this to the 'nth' degree.
Under KM, we've played 4 at the back, 5 at the back. We've played with 3 at the back with Davis bombing forward. We've played with 2 at the back with Davis and Clarke bombing forward. We've seen Morsy and Luongo sit deep and act as cover, in the full back positions. We've seen Greaves driving forward, getting in the box. We've seen Davis as a full back, wing back and an inside forward. We've seen Burns bombing down the right on the outside, we've seen Egeli driving outside and/ or inside.
We've played out from the back, we've hit Hirst, we've hit the channels. We've played long raking cross field passes. We played through the thirds, we've played patient football, looking to draw an opponent out. We've sat and defending deep, looking to draw a team onto us.
I would argue that this is a sign of a manager who is wedded to principles and whilst the formation might look like a 4-2-3-1 on paper, it rarely actually is. About the only thing you can level at KM is that he's not played 2 up top, other than that - his approach is flexible allowing a lot of variation and individual play withing that structure. It's clear there is a way he likes to play, as you will see with all managers. Rigid it is not. |  |
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| Interesting from Farke about promoted sides on 08:27 - Dec 4 with 535 views | Herbivore |
I think anyone who watched us last season would see that we adapted. We were less gung ho in our attacking play than we were in the Championship, we went more direct to Delap at times, often sat in deep and looked to play on the counter. We flexed the formation a fair bit, switching to a back 3/5 on a number of occasions. We managed to stay competitive in a lot of games last year but lacked the quality to see games through. Burnley and Leeds will come down this year, Sunderland have probably done enough early season to stay clear of trouble now. They recruited well but had also spent good money in the Championship for a few years before going up and they've had the rub of the green a fair bit this season. You need everything to go perfectly to do what Sunderland have done and they've managed it, so fair play to them. |  |
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