| Is it possible... 09:40 - Feb 1 with 2706 views | mutters |
That we have an off day without everybody crying into their Weetabix?
The amount of entitlement that some of our fans have is incredible. Did everyone think that we should just walk the league because we've dropped some cash? Makes me chuckle to see how wound up people get and how venemous people are towards our players these days if they dare have an off day. Should we end going up these are the same people that will be on pitch rushing to get near their 'heroes'.
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| Is it possible... on 18:27 - Feb 1 with 369 views | positivity |
| Is it possible... on 16:33 - Feb 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So much context missing from these type of posts as usual.
We are 2 points below a team with a transfer embargo with one of the most expensive squads in Championship history. Second place will be one of the lowest totals in years by 10+ points.
If we were on for 95-100 points no one would be crying about an off day.
Let’s not get this wrong, it was a massive two points dropped. |
some more context, we're 11 and 14 points ahead of 2 teams with even more expensive squads, not just us that's found it tough going.
as for the points total, the top 2 are headed for 89 points, 3 years ago it was 91, 4 years ago it was 88. the last2 years were exceptional, not this year! |  |
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| Is it possible... on 18:39 - Feb 1 with 344 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is it possible... on 18:27 - Feb 1 by positivity |
some more context, we're 11 and 14 points ahead of 2 teams with even more expensive squads, not just us that's found it tough going.
as for the points total, the top 2 are headed for 89 points, 3 years ago it was 91, 4 years ago it was 88. the last2 years were exceptional, not this year! |
You stick to your username, I’ll give you that.
You don’t half talk a lot of nonsense on here though. There’s a reason we were much stronger favorites than the Leicester (as I assume you know), why are you using them as a measuring stick. They are a financial mess and are a mess as a club with all sorts hanging over them. Southampton are also a mess going through mangers about once a quarter. We’ve spent more than both since we went up. The argument of using other teams failures is never a compelling one.
The points total is low and will be the lowest in some years. We may still get there but we’ve left ourselves plenty to do. As most would say looking at us from the outside (if you listen to such content), we have not achieved what we should have been doing in this league at the moment, when you take season in its entirety.
None of this will matter if we finish second though. Let’s hope we can get towards 90 which should be enough! [Post edited 1 Feb 18:40]
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| Is it possible... on 18:47 - Feb 1 with 318 views | armchaircritic59 |
I don't think it's entitlement, the only things in life I think anyone has an entitlement to, are food, water and a roof over their head, and I expect some would even question that. There is however such a thing as expectation, which is a different meaning entirely. I guess some here expected a side managed by last seasons 5th highest paid manager in the PL, and assembled for a very large amount of money by Championship standards would get promotion back to the PL first time. We still might of course. Entitlement? No. Expectation? Yes. | | | |
| Is it possible... on 18:51 - Feb 1 with 310 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is it possible... on 18:47 - Feb 1 by armchaircritic59 |
I don't think it's entitlement, the only things in life I think anyone has an entitlement to, are food, water and a roof over their head, and I expect some would even question that. There is however such a thing as expectation, which is a different meaning entirely. I guess some here expected a side managed by last seasons 5th highest paid manager in the PL, and assembled for a very large amount of money by Championship standards would get promotion back to the PL first time. We still might of course. Entitlement? No. Expectation? Yes. |
You can also afford more off days as the OP says, when you’re collectively achieving more than 1.75 PPG. There’s always a few that go over the top of course but then there is the opposite that ignore the context and the fact it’s February.
We can’t afford many of those kind of slip ups to achieve our ambitions when playing from behind, it’s not really a very controversial position to take. | |
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| Is it possible... on 19:13 - Feb 1 with 286 views | ringwoodblue |
Money doesn’t buy success. Look at Hull, they are third under a transfer embargo. That’s pretty impressive.
For the quality of the squad we have, we are underperforming. Surely we can all agree on that. It’s not entitlement but I’d expect to take more than 1 point out of two matches with Preston.
It’s not game over for the autos but in the last week we’ve missed two chances to close the gap on Coventry and build a gap over the chasing pack so that’s why I’m disappointed. |  |
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| Is it possible... on 19:21 - Feb 1 with 279 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is it possible... on 19:13 - Feb 1 by ringwoodblue |
Money doesn’t buy success. Look at Hull, they are third under a transfer embargo. That’s pretty impressive.
For the quality of the squad we have, we are underperforming. Surely we can all agree on that. It’s not entitlement but I’d expect to take more than 1 point out of two matches with Preston.
It’s not game over for the autos but in the last week we’ve missed two chances to close the gap on Coventry and build a gap over the chasing pack so that’s why I’m disappointed. |
It does buy success a lot of the time. Since 2018, fourteen of the twenty clubs that achieved promotion (obviously including playoffs) to the PL done it with parachute money.
The ones that done it without were;
Sheffield United
Leeds United
Brentford
Nothingham Forest
Luton Town
Ipswich Town [Post edited 1 Feb 19:23]
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| Is it possible... on 19:23 - Feb 1 with 274 views | Blue_Heath |
| Is it possible... on 10:02 - Feb 1 by jas0999 |
Massive difference between entitlement and expectation.
With the level of resource we have at disavowal, the expectation is rightly high. The board will expect promotion. Rightly.
The problem with this forum - is according to some - everyone has to be 100% positive all of the time and forget very poor recent performances and results against: Oxford, Wrexham, Blackburn, Leicester, Millwall, Sheffield United, Preston. Yes, plenty of good results in between - but focusing on just the good performances and ignoring the poor ones isn’t really the purpose of a forum. |
Spot on re 100% thing. | |
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| Is it possible... on 19:24 - Feb 1 with 273 views | billlm |
| Is it possible... on 13:19 - Feb 1 by The_Major |
Yet again, I point out that the impression I've had from Ashton's coffee cup chats is that not going up this year is not going to be a complete disaster. If we go up, then huzzah, but if we don't, we move onto next season.
The amount of times both he, and people on here have pointed out, is that it's a long term project. We've got to get the foundations in place before we have a realistic prospect of being established in the Prem. 23 & 24 were freak seasons, and we were spoilt by them. They happen to every team at points in their history, good or bad. We simply weren't equipped for the Prem last season, and the obvious happened.
And there is no way Ashton would be making those sort of comments of the ownership group weren't thinking the same way. When Ed Schwartz was over, he said pretty much the same things at the forum.
Sometimes it is a case of two steps forward, one back. There might need to be another go up, come straight back down again period before we are in a position to become established at the highest level. Forgive the alliteration, but we want to become a Bournemouth, a Brighton, a Brentford first, and not a Burnley where we seem to be stuck in a permanent yo yo situation.
I do think that a season outcome of "Didn't go up, but we weren't too far away" will be seen as an acceptable outcome by the powers that be for this season.
But an outcome of finishing outside the playoffs by more than three points probably won't be. Plus, next season, I suspect there will be expectations of progress by the owners given that by then the all brand new Playford Road will be up and running.
We had the stuffing knocked out of us last year because we simply weren't ready. This season is the reset and recovery season. Considering that, we're not doing too badly at all when you look at Saints and Leicester, not to mention what happened to Luton last year.
None of us five years ago could have imagined that we are where we are now. Virtual sell outs every week. Spending £20m on players. A stadium that has had a thorough brush up. Ownership that sees us as a long term project and a sound investment.
There's going to be bumps along the road, and of course after events like yesterday, people are going to be down, and react in the heat of the moment. That's emotion. But the problem is the people (and to be honest there aren't that many of them here) whio see each misstep as a cataclysmic disaster. If missteps were happening week after week after week, then I do get it.
But they're not. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:22]
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All well and good but how many teams will have parachute money or money,
3 coming down
Us saints Leicester
Wrexham
Birmingham
Coventry have a few quid to,
I don't see town as a good bet in the playoffs so that's going to be a dog fight,
Better to go up this year and try and recruit a bit better, |  | | |
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| Is it possible... on 20:46 - Feb 1 with 231 views | positivity |
| Is it possible... on 18:39 - Feb 1 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You stick to your username, I’ll give you that.
You don’t half talk a lot of nonsense on here though. There’s a reason we were much stronger favorites than the Leicester (as I assume you know), why are you using them as a measuring stick. They are a financial mess and are a mess as a club with all sorts hanging over them. Southampton are also a mess going through mangers about once a quarter. We’ve spent more than both since we went up. The argument of using other teams failures is never a compelling one.
The points total is low and will be the lowest in some years. We may still get there but we’ve left ourselves plenty to do. As most would say looking at us from the outside (if you listen to such content), we have not achieved what we should have been doing in this league at the moment, when you take season in its entirety.
None of this will matter if we finish second though. Let’s hope we can get towards 90 which should be enough! [Post edited 1 Feb 18:40]
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by some years, you mean 2 years, 90 has always been the target to virtually guarantee promotion, don't know if you're a new fan, but the last 2 years are very much outliers! 89 points would get promotion in at least 80% of championship seasons, probably higher
we've spent a bit more than soton and leicester, but they were building on teams with over a decade of premiership money (and champions league money in the foxes case!), whereas we were building on a league one squad! they still have the more expensive squads with the higher wage bills.
soton were favourites along with us. most thought leicester would get similar points, but weren't favourites due to the looming points deduction.
you speak of missing context, and other examples of (far greater) underachievement is the context you are missing entirely! | |
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