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The end of free and fair elections in the USA 20:58 - Feb 2 with 2905 viewsElderGrizzly

Saying the quiet things out loud again.

Trump:”These people were brought to our country to vote, and they vote illegally. The Republicans should say, we should take over the voting in at least 15 places. The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.”



Oh and this of course in Georgia

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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 11:45 - Feb 3 with 720 viewsClapham_Junction

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 11:36 - Feb 3 by TownieRob

No cases should be the correct number. Not low enough to be immaterial.

This doesnt solve the problem, but it should be a starting point.


The question is whether the measure is proportionate to the problem, and in this case it does not appear to be so.

The number of convictions for personation in the last decade is in the low double digits, whereas the requirement for voter ID is resulting in over 10,000 people being turned away at polling stations each year.
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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 11:45 - Feb 3 with 717 viewsPinewoodblue

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 10:27 - Feb 3 by redrickstuhaart

But focussing on a rule which is not necessary above all the blatant gerrymandering is.


In US each state sets its electoral rules, hence attempts at gerrymandering.

Some states elect a Senator on a first past the post system while others require 50% +1 to be elected. Failure to achieve that results in a run off between the top two. Currently the two parties system doesn’t often results in a run off but there was one in Georgia in 2022.

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The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 12:20 - Feb 3 with 647 viewsiamatractorboy

The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 10:40 - Feb 3 by BuffaloBill

Yeah, because bussing in undocumented migrants to vote democrat is a real bedrock of free and fair elections
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Hi Donald. Got some actual evidence of this?

Edit: I'm sure you'll find this interesting...(if you bother to click on it)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/
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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 12:25 - Feb 3 with 636 viewsiamatractorboy

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 08:14 - Feb 3 by TownieRob

If the US want fair democracy, a great place to start would be having the same everywhere, that includes photo ID to actually vote.


IN THEORY, this would be ok, IF everyone was provided with the applicable ID. I've seen fears expressed that a lot of women will be disenfranchised, for example, if their current (eg married) name doesn't match their birth certificate. I'm sure there will be other examples. And you can bet your bottom dollar the Republicans/MAGA have done plenty of analysis into the demographics around likelihood of having allowable ID, how easy it will be for persons to obtain it, etc. They certainly wouldn't be howling for this if their supporters were less likely to fall into those categories.
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The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 13:25 - Feb 3 with 589 viewsCheltenham_Blue

The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 10:40 - Feb 3 by BuffaloBill

Yeah, because bussing in undocumented migrants to vote democrat is a real bedrock of free and fair elections
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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 09:47 - Feb 5 with 458 viewsElderGrizzly

And now he’s said it in the open. Mid-terms only count if he says so

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The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 10:43 - Feb 5 with 419 viewsiamatractorboy

The end of free and fair elections in the USA (n/t) on 12:20 - Feb 3 by iamatractorboy

Hi Donald. Got some actual evidence of this?

Edit: I'm sure you'll find this interesting...(if you bother to click on it)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/
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Hi Buffalo Bill. Still waiting for your comment on this....
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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 22:41 - Feb 5 with 340 viewsElderGrizzly

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 09:47 - Feb 5 by ElderGrizzly

And now he’s said it in the open. Mid-terms only count if he says so



Not denying, just doubling down.

Just ICE agents casually checking you vote for the right candidate in November

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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 05:43 - Feb 6 with 258 viewsElderGrizzly

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 22:41 - Feb 5 by ElderGrizzly

Not denying, just doubling down.

Just ICE agents casually checking you vote for the right candidate in November



And it gets worse. “Your election partners” couldn’t sound more sinister if it tried

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The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 08:32 - Feb 6 with 209 viewsNthsuffolkblue

The end of free and fair elections in the USA on 11:36 - Feb 3 by TownieRob

No cases should be the correct number. Not low enough to be immaterial.

This doesnt solve the problem, but it should be a starting point.


It doesn't solve the problem. Have you thought about the alternative problems it creates?

I agree that anything that improves the fairness of elections is to be applauded. However, it would need to be a clear improvement which I am not sure requiring photo ID does.

That said, I am not strongly opposed to it.

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