| Gorton and Denton By-election 19:20 - Feb 15 with 21316 views | gtsb1966 |
Greens odds on to win with Reform 2nd and Labour 3rd. Surely that would be the end of Starmer if that happened. One can only hope. I cant see some members of the party waiting for the annihilation in the May elections.
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:54 - Feb 28 with 938 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:31 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
You know how you were wrong on Brexit, I think you may have misunderstood the Green Party on open borders, you have mentioned that a number of times, in the same way Brexit supporting people repeated nonsense sound bites. |
open borders may or may not be an apt description, but it is clear that the greens want to engineer a massive increase in immigration. there is no other way of reading their policy. so whether or not that policy amounts to an 'open border' is pretty irrelevant. |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:59 - Feb 28 with 932 views | RadioOrwell |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:54 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
open borders may or may not be an apt description, but it is clear that the greens want to engineer a massive increase in immigration. there is no other way of reading their policy. so whether or not that policy amounts to an 'open border' is pretty irrelevant. |
They do not want to engineer a massive increase in immigration. |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:03 - Feb 28 with 901 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:59 - Feb 28 by RadioOrwell |
They do not want to engineer a massive increase in immigration. |
so you haven't read their policy. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:10 - Feb 28 with 877 views | RadioOrwell |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:03 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
so you haven't read their policy. |
I have.
But you carry on writing nonsense anyway if it makes you feel good. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:12 - Feb 28 with 867 views | eireblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:54 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
open borders may or may not be an apt description, but it is clear that the greens want to engineer a massive increase in immigration. there is no other way of reading their policy. so whether or not that policy amounts to an 'open border' is pretty irrelevant. |
“ Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration”
Can you point out in their policy where the stated aim is a “massive increase in immigration”
The EU has open borders between some countries. Seems to work for them. |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:14 - Feb 28 with 831 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:12 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
“ Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration”
Can you point out in their policy where the stated aim is a “massive increase in immigration”
The EU has open borders between some countries. Seems to work for them. |
read their policy, there is not other possible interpretation. to claim otherwise is just dishonest.
https://migration.greenparty.o | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:16 - Feb 28 with 839 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 13:31 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
You know how you were wrong on Brexit, I think you may have misunderstood the Green Party on open borders, you have mentioned that a number of times, in the same way Brexit supporting people repeated nonsense sound bites. |
Being wrong once does not make me wrong on everything.
I did not say they had an open borders policy like Orwell has said. I said they have a desire for open borders.
It's here in black and white:
Principles
MG100. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
Source: https://migration.greenparty.o |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:18 - Feb 28 with 816 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:12 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
“ Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration”
Can you point out in their policy where the stated aim is a “massive increase in immigration”
The EU has open borders between some countries. Seems to work for them. |
You have managed to find the exact wording while cutting the bit that proves my point. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:19 - Feb 28 with 802 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:16 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
Being wrong once does not make me wrong on everything.
I did not say they had an open borders policy like Orwell has said. I said they have a desire for open borders.
It's here in black and white:
Principles
MG100. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
Source: https://migration.greenparty.o |
Context is everything.
A world without borders is the context essential here |  | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:20 - Feb 28 with 787 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:19 - Feb 28 by reusersfreekicks |
Context is everything.
A world without borders is the context essential here |
So they have a desire for open borders like I said.
Thanks for backing my point. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:21 - Feb 28 with 759 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:18 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
You have managed to find the exact wording while cutting the bit that proves my point. |
i'm struggling to see how "people can move if they wish to do so" is in practical terms different from an open border, but the term itself doesn't really matter. the detail of the changes they propose could only and inevitably lead to a huge increase in numbers. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:22 - Feb 28 with 745 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:21 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to see how "people can move if they wish to do so" is in practical terms different from an open border, but the term itself doesn't really matter. the detail of the changes they propose could only and inevitably lead to a huge increase in numbers. |
I thought it was the far right who were supposed to have alternative facts. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:02 - Feb 28 with 651 views | eireblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:16 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
Being wrong once does not make me wrong on everything.
I did not say they had an open borders policy like Orwell has said. I said they have a desire for open borders.
It's here in black and white:
Principles
MG100. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.
Source: https://migration.greenparty.o |
“…a world without borders”
Not an open border policy exclusively for the UK.
Until the world has open borders, then they will manage immigration.
What’s wrong with having the desire to see a world without borders. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:11 - Feb 28 with 618 views | eireblue |
So what you meant to say is, I have read there policy, it doesn’t state they want massive immigration, but I have interpreted it to mean they want massive immigration, and I am so intellectually superior, there is no other possible interpretation, therefore anyone that has a different opinion is being dishonest.
How arrogant and intolerant of you. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:17 - Feb 28 with 598 views | eireblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 14:22 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
I thought it was the far right who were supposed to have alternative facts. |
We have had more immigration since Brexit and free movement of labour with the EU was removed.
As some people predicted. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:53 - Feb 28 with 561 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:02 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
“…a world without borders”
Not an open border policy exclusively for the UK.
Until the world has open borders, then they will manage immigration.
What’s wrong with having the desire to see a world without borders. |
I did not make any comment on whether it was right or wrong, just that I doubted anyone would switch to them from Reform which seems a common sense opinion when they are on opposite ends on one of the key battlegrounds of the next election?
Their website makes it pretty clear that they would accept a lot more immigration and take steps to make it easier to come to the UK. Again, now making any comment on the pros or cons of that idea, just saying it seems perfectly clear if you read the full page we linked to earlier.
You can dress it up however you want but I said they have a desire to see open borders. It's there in black and white. Do you agree that is a fact? | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:21 - Feb 28 with 486 views | eireblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:53 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
I did not make any comment on whether it was right or wrong, just that I doubted anyone would switch to them from Reform which seems a common sense opinion when they are on opposite ends on one of the key battlegrounds of the next election?
Their website makes it pretty clear that they would accept a lot more immigration and take steps to make it easier to come to the UK. Again, now making any comment on the pros or cons of that idea, just saying it seems perfectly clear if you read the full page we linked to earlier.
You can dress it up however you want but I said they have a desire to see open borders. It's there in black and white. Do you agree that is a fact? |
Hmmm, you have explicitly referred to them has the open border Greens….
You did just reference someone was using alternative facts.
It was easier to get into and work in the UK, for couple hundred million people, and we had less immigration. That is a fact.
They desire the world to have open borders. Sure that is a fact.
They have a lot of other desires.
You dont refer to them as the Net Zero greens..
Where does their website talk about immigration numbers?
Seems to me people are already being lead to frame the Greens in a certain way.
Which is interesting.
Also seems to me everyone agrees you can’t out Farage, Farage, but as soon as some says, actually what the greens want seems to be similar to what we had before when we had less immigration, accusations of dishonesty and alternative facts are mentioned. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:26 - Feb 28 with 466 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:21 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
Hmmm, you have explicitly referred to them has the open border Greens….
You did just reference someone was using alternative facts.
It was easier to get into and work in the UK, for couple hundred million people, and we had less immigration. That is a fact.
They desire the world to have open borders. Sure that is a fact.
They have a lot of other desires.
You dont refer to them as the Net Zero greens..
Where does their website talk about immigration numbers?
Seems to me people are already being lead to frame the Greens in a certain way.
Which is interesting.
Also seems to me everyone agrees you can’t out Farage, Farage, but as soon as some says, actually what the greens want seems to be similar to what we had before when we had less immigration, accusations of dishonesty and alternative facts are mentioned. |
They desire the world to have open borders. Sure that is a fact.
We got there in the end. Well done. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:32 - Feb 28 with 444 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 15:11 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
So what you meant to say is, I have read there policy, it doesn’t state they want massive immigration, but I have interpreted it to mean they want massive immigration, and I am so intellectually superior, there is no other possible interpretation, therefore anyone that has a different opinion is being dishonest.
How arrogant and intolerant of you. |
there is no possible reading of their proposals which doesn't lead to a huge increase in immigration. that is so obvious that it has to be their intention, and, yes, so obvious that your denial is pretty dishonest.
and from another of your posts - i certainly don't want to see a world without borders. without borders you lose cultural diversity and distinctiveness, you undermine social solidarity, and you undermine democratic control of a nation's character, policies and provision. you couldn't sustain provision such as the nhs without controlled borders and strict limits on mobility and rights.
the greens are extreme on this, as you seem to be, and are entirely out of step with the population who do want to see fair and effective control of our borders. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:43 - Feb 28 with 436 views | eireblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:26 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
They desire the world to have open borders. Sure that is a fact.
We got there in the end. Well done. |
You did get there, desire for the world to have open borders.
When you have used that term, you seem to be implying it means higher immigration, because you have used that term when the discussions are about the greens and national level.
The greens have no plans for open borders at national level.
And since you haven’t disputed that immigration was less under a free movement of labour policy, I don’t see how you can claim alternative facts are being used, I don’t see how you can make the clear assertion on numbers, seems to me you are using the term in a pejorative way, that reform types would embrace. | | | |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:53 - Feb 28 with 396 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:43 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
You did get there, desire for the world to have open borders.
When you have used that term, you seem to be implying it means higher immigration, because you have used that term when the discussions are about the greens and national level.
The greens have no plans for open borders at national level.
And since you haven’t disputed that immigration was less under a free movement of labour policy, I don’t see how you can claim alternative facts are being used, I don’t see how you can make the clear assertion on numbers, seems to me you are using the term in a pejorative way, that reform types would embrace. |
I'm not wasting any more time on your dishonesty.
I said they want open borders not that it was a policy in the short term. They admit they do. You can try and explain it away any way you want but what I said was factually accurate.
You only have to read that page on their website to see that their version of controlled immigration will be a lot higher than the current level of immigration. I don't think it's a massive leap to say their views on immigration will damage their ability to compete on a national scale when immigration is a big issue in the country. By big issue I mean it frequently comes top of polls on what people care about most. No comment on whether that is sensible, it's just a statement of fact. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:56 - Feb 28 with 379 views | positivity |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:53 - Feb 28 by J2BLUE |
I'm not wasting any more time on your dishonesty.
I said they want open borders not that it was a policy in the short term. They admit they do. You can try and explain it away any way you want but what I said was factually accurate.
You only have to read that page on their website to see that their version of controlled immigration will be a lot higher than the current level of immigration. I don't think it's a massive leap to say their views on immigration will damage their ability to compete on a national scale when immigration is a big issue in the country. By big issue I mean it frequently comes top of polls on what people care about most. No comment on whether that is sensible, it's just a statement of fact. |
not sure that immigration is consistently the top issue that people care about? just the one that the press like to push
it's almost always the economy isn't it? |  |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:00 - Feb 28 with 355 views | lowhouseblue |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:43 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
You did get there, desire for the world to have open borders.
When you have used that term, you seem to be implying it means higher immigration, because you have used that term when the discussions are about the greens and national level.
The greens have no plans for open borders at national level.
And since you haven’t disputed that immigration was less under a free movement of labour policy, I don’t see how you can claim alternative facts are being used, I don’t see how you can make the clear assertion on numbers, seems to me you are using the term in a pejorative way, that reform types would embrace. |
you do realise that free movement between countries within the eu was accompanied by strict rules on entry into the eu from elsewhere.? they are different things with different characteristics.
go through the green proposals line by line and at each one ask yourself 'will that cause immigration to rise?'. that will give you the answer. | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:08 - Feb 28 with 328 views | J2BLUE |
| Gorton and Denton By-election on 17:56 - Feb 28 by positivity |
not sure that immigration is consistently the top issue that people care about? just the one that the press like to push
it's almost always the economy isn't it? |
Happy to take that back and say one of the top issues as polls do vary but it is frequently the top issue for the UK as a whole (yes, driven by Reform and Tory voters but sadly their votes are worth the same as everyone else's)
https://yougov.com/en-gb/artic
https://www.instituteforgovern
https://migrationobservatory.o | |
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| Gorton and Denton By-election on 18:14 - Feb 28 with 297 views | positivity |
it's pretty low for labour/lib dem and green voters though, and they're the people they'll be wanting to get on board.
don't think they'll be targetting reform voters | |
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