| So a common theme among the McKenna critics 00:24 - Feb 22 with 1224 views | baxterbasics |
You know, the ones that pop up when there's been a game like yesterday at Wrexham, but are nowhere to be seen when there's been a result.
They seem to think our two great years were all about the specific players. It was Broadhead, Morsy, Chaplin, Woolfy and Burgess what won it. Little credit for McKenna. Which means of course it's his poor judgement that saw them all replaced by 'inferior' players at the cost of ten gazillion pounds, so now we are sh1t, and obviously the owners wont tolerate this much longer. (lol)
Anyway that seems to be the thinking. Totally off the mark of course.
With the possible exception of Moore, (and I guess Muric, who is still technically our player) which player has gone on to do better than they did under KM?
He was an essential ingredient in the magic of those seasons. We may never see that kind of magic again, something just clicked and went right that isn't doing so now, but any manager that can keep that up will soon find themselves at a Champions league team. There aren't many. |  |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 00:41 - Feb 22 with 1154 views | armchaircritic59 |
Problem there being, there's another common theme. Frequent very poor away performances. 14th in the away league table. Last 4 away games, won1, lost 3, conceeded 10. It certainly isn't about specific players, it's about a team ( or lack of one ) as opposed to a bunch of individuals. I gave praise, rightly after the Derby game, unfortunately the other 3 have been dross, even accounting for the much changed cup match.
As for KM, I rate him highly as a coach, as a manager, the jury's most definitely out. When he gets us back up to the PL, keeps us there and makes us a competitive force at least, the jury can disband. We got relegated under GB, but at least he gave us one season not to forget in the PL, and that was the very first one back after promotion, which I believe stands today as the 4th best first season performance back in the PL after promotion. I'm not saying I expect that, but stability, yes. |  | | |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 08:08 - Feb 22 with 926 views | Blue_Heath |
The double promo team for most was the pinnacle of their careers and one where the team was far better than the individuals so yes of course not many will go on to greater things and yes fair play to KM for this. Sadly now we though have the reverse on paper, great individuals but awful team and this is down to KM too.
I don't understand the lack of urgency in the attack this team has, every 3rd pass is back to the keeper or for O'Shea to stand motionless. Why can't he make the team more attacking like it used to be? We rarely shoot from distance and always try to walk the ball in the net or score a 'perfect' goal.
Yes KM will always have credit for what he has achieved, however, it's starting to feel a bit Burleyesque to me. | |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 08:56 - Feb 22 with 818 views | gtsb1966 |
Am I the only one who thinks KM won't make it as a top coach. Just my opinion of course and only time will tell . I hope he does but I have my doubts. [Post edited 22 Feb 9:36]
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 with 710 views | darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? | | | |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:48 - Feb 22 with 680 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 by darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? |
Same old disingenuous bitter tripe. | |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:02 - Feb 22 with 579 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 by darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? |
Yet more waffle, overuse of the word ‘elite’ and more inaccuracies than a Trump speech. I can’t be arsed with most of it, but ‘the worst season in our history’? I’d say being relegated from the Championship with barely a whimper and being unable to get above mid-table in League One were far worse than a season in the Premier League. |  | | |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:03 - Feb 22 with 576 views | jasondozzell |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 by darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? |
We're likely to be promoted this season. |  | | |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:10 - Feb 22 with 544 views | algy |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 by darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? |
I didn't agree with every word but overall that is very well put. | |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:17 - Feb 22 with 531 views | OsmansCleanSheet |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:10 - Feb 22 by algy |
I didn't agree with every word but overall that is very well put. |
It’s really not. | | | |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:19 - Feb 22 with 523 views | jaykay |
i agree with what you say. just a point on what you said about players going on and win things after leaving the town i can only think of 2 players over the years who have gone on to win things after leaving us.
sorry just seen you said better after leaving us but i suppose winning a trophy is the main criteria |  |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:26 - Feb 22 with 493 views | nrb1985 |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:10 - Feb 22 by algy |
I didn't agree with every word but overall that is very well put. |
I've never put anyone on ignore - or as some on here call it the "div list"
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 12:18 - Feb 22 with 393 views | pointofblue |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 09:40 - Feb 22 by darkhorse28 |
They players that cost gazillions aren’t better then those players though, these cost peanuts, and they McKenna largely didn’t recruit.
They’re just facts.
And you’re going what you’re accusing others of, being reductive. Who’s saying McKenna is rubbish?
I think most are accepting (unlike you) that the last 70 odd games including cup defeats to Wrexham and Bromley reserves, aren’t form, the worst season in our history, and this season where we’ve struggled relative to investment and resources are as or more instructive of whether he’s elite than promotion form the the third tier, where he had the second biggest budget in the division, a playing squad he didn’t assemble, and finished second to Plymouth.
It’s obvious like that everyone involved, he was crucial to out championship season, it’s clear he’s very talented.
It’s also now clear he’s a billion miles off elite, and shouldn’t be paid more then almost any manager in Europe and be given over £200 million gross to spend on players…, because that won’t end well, and hasn’t, whatever the outcome this season. He’s obviously really poor in some essential management areas.
He’s pad more than the Barcelona manager. And you’re making out he’s worth that, whilst behind clubs we have ten times the budget of.
Adjusted for resources. Where actually would you say we are?? That’s how everyone outside measures clubs - I.E Sunderland are having a blinder, Liverpool, less so.
McKenna would be lucky to be viewed mid table based on resources available, the truth is almost all
Managers had got more form their group this season, he’d be very low down.
And that’s 100% on him, Ashton, and you and the media that provided zero scrutiny when it was required.
This started when he agreed to go to Brighton. We panicked and gave him eye watering resources to stay…., that was awful, lazy decision making. Woeful. Irrespective of outcome, EFL
Is such a significant level down from Elite, there’s a reason managers rarely make the step up.
Paid more than the Barcelona manager. Let that sink in!!
And you wanted a list of players that you say haven’t improved.
How about a list of players that have done brilliantly before they played for McKenna but have failed under him, for sustained periods??
Greaves, O’Shea, Akpom, Sammie, Ogbene, McAteer, Clarke, Philips, Cajuste, Nunez, Muric …, England internationals, numerous top goal scorers and team of the year players at this level.
Swedish internationals who have won trophies in Italy, so which of them would you say McKenna has improved??
Facts. This isn’t conjecture or emotion, or opinion. We’ve simply failed too often at the things McKenna is responsible for, for too long for it to be anything but him not being as good as you told yourself.
It’s too late this season.
We should have had this debate when he wanted to join Brighton, they said, thanks, but we won’t pay that level of money for unproven talent. They were right. We were wrong. That’s why they are elite and we are not.
It doesn’t make him bad, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t sensational that one season, it does mean he’s not elite though, and that’s group of the players by the way, they weren’t quick to praise him when they left, he abandoned them .., hate the narrative we were a league one club, because we replaced every single one of that legacy group, with the exception of Leif .., and then returned the worst season in our history…, that wasn’t elite.
We are a good side. Very good at times. But poor relative to our resources, and very poor at times relative to what we’ve spent.
I can’t think of many mangers to spend more, and achieve less, over 70 odd games including the cups .., we might go up, changed nothing in terms of the Ashton McKenna dynamic being miles off good enough…, light years.
We can conject who’s most to blame…, but McKenna is paid to build and coach and motivate a group.., and even when winning we don’t look like a team.
We remind me of Jewell’s days .., talented group, big investment, so much less than the sum of the parts.
He wasn’t the driving force or wasn’t 100% as you say he was…, if he was.., how could he have so much money, build TWO squads now. And fail so badly (if we don’t go up)?
Football fans are weird. The ones hating him are the ones like you who thought he was god.., and likely will again if we go up, which I still think is probable.
The truth though. He’s miles off elite. Probably a very good coach, who lacks some key qualities in management…, the biggest being the self awareness to know what he doesn’t do well, and mitigate it.
Elite stands on the shoulders of the talented people they built around them.
That’s not McKenna…, he believed people like you, telling him he deserved more money and more budget than anyone in Europe, and that was his level.
You were wrong. Wrong then, wrong now, wrong if we go up.
He didn’t deserve that level of investment. And you might just have blown a generational opportunity .., either way blind emotion. Devoid of even 1% scrutiny.
That’s why you’re still digging. We shouldn’t sack him .., he’ll be leaving in the summer if we don’t go up. No EFL side can pay a manager more than their entire TV revenue to ‘push for the play offs’ it doesn’t work…, how could it.
Now you need to list the players playing the best football of their career from his £200 million gross investment.
I’ll give you Delap.., v young.., ok. That’s me finished. I can’t think of a single player he’s improved, seriously, not one!!!!
Philogene, player of the year in this league, Mats is playing a level below where he was in France.
ONE PLAYER improved, and he’s a world class coach!? .., are you sure?? |
I don't agree with everything you put but I will at least say your posts have become analytical rather than emotional, which is an upturn.
Last season this are not the worst in the club's history, however. The Hurst and Lambert years see to that.
And he basically improved every player who was on our books when he came in. If he hadn't we wouldn't have gained double promotion. It was definitely a case of a sum of our parts, and I don't think many will argue we are the reverse now.
There are issues at the club. Recruitment being a major one. Perhaps a lack of confidence, particularly away, being another. I do agree McKenna's salary is eye watering, especially if we under achieve this season. But, thanks to McKenna and Ashton (who I have more concerns about) we're in a good position as a whole. | |
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| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 14:28 - Feb 22 with 307 views | baxterbasics |
| So a common theme among the McKenna critics on 11:02 - Feb 22 by OsmansCleanSheet |
Yet more waffle, overuse of the word ‘elite’ and more inaccuracies than a Trump speech. I can’t be arsed with most of it, but ‘the worst season in our history’? I’d say being relegated from the Championship with barely a whimper and being unable to get above mid-table in League One were far worse than a season in the Premier League. |
“Worst season in our history” is where I stopped reading. | |
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