| Petition 09:12 - Mar 26 with 2694 views | WarkOfTheTown |
I imagine many supporters have made their feelings known by writing to the club over the last few days, yet the club have failed to respond. Mark Ashton could help put this sorry episode to bed, if he were to address the fans, and issue an apology.
What are people's thoughts on creating a petition on change.org to apply pressure? This us something which could be shared widely and get media attention.
I don't think we should let this lie.
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| Petition on 10:16 - Mar 26 with 656 views | CastroSito |
| Petition on 10:09 - Mar 26 by TownieRob |
I get what you’re saying, but does everything automatically needs a public apology. Also, would we be demanding the same response if it was a political figure people agreed with? I’m not convinced we would.
Clubs bring together people with all sorts of views. Expecting a statement every time something divides opinion feels like a slippery slope, rather than something that actually helps. |
Do public organisations who make very public errors need to make public apologies? Yes.
Would the level of outrage be different if it was another politician? Probably. But that says more about the type of politician we have allowed to use our club. I'm sure Reform and its voters would be very unhappy at Polanski using Ipswich, which would be equally divisive to the fanbase.
Clubs do bring people together. Do you think that's what has happened now? [Post edited 26 Mar 10:16]
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| Petition on 10:17 - Mar 26 with 640 views | nrb1985 |
| Petition on 10:01 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Most people want some form of recognition from the club that the whole event has been a complete disaster, they're sorry that it happened, and steps have been put in place to make sure something like this can't happen again?
"If every mistake leads straight to public pile-ons, we end up in a place where no one is allowed to get things wrong or learn from it."
The club have not said they have made a mistake. They have not said they have got it wrong. They have not said they are learning from it. |
That last bit is the crux isn't it.
Clearly a monumental ck up and their response is to basically double down - straight out of the reform culture war playbook that.
However, Ashton's punishment has already been served to some extent. A bloke who loves the limelight and portrays himself to be a highly sophisticated c-suite exec type has been absolutely stitch up in the most humiliating and naive way by a pound shop grifter like Nige.
And its all in full public view. Will be quite the humbling event for an egomaniac like MA. | | | |
| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:27 - Mar 26 with 595 views | BlueDouglas |
| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:09 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
There was a Madrid fan banned a few weeks ago for doing a Nazi salute... |
I'm just not making the connection here -
Farage visits Portman Road = suddenly all of the secretly fascist ITFC supporters dust off their swastikas and start seig-heiling during Edward Ebeneezer?!! |  |
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| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:31 - Mar 26 with 569 views | CastroSito |
| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:27 - Mar 26 by BlueDouglas |
I'm just not making the connection here -
Farage visits Portman Road = suddenly all of the secretly fascist ITFC supporters dust off their swastikas and start seig-heiling during Edward Ebeneezer?!! |
I'm not sure what your not understanding? A poster commented on the fascist element of Real Madrid, another countered he was trolling, and I commented there was a recent example of fascist behaviour at a Real Madrid game.
If you're not making the connection, query that with the poster who brought up Real Madrid. | | | |
| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:32 - Mar 26 with 565 views | jayessess |
| I call Real Madrid…. on 10:27 - Mar 26 by BlueDouglas |
I'm just not making the connection here -
Farage visits Portman Road = suddenly all of the secretly fascist ITFC supporters dust off their swastikas and start seig-heiling during Edward Ebeneezer?!! |
My suggestion is simply that once far right politics (or any politics) wheedles its way into your fanbase, it attaches itself to the club and it becomes difficult to remove and not necessarily containable to whatever respectable version of that politics you might find tolerable. I gave Real Madrid as an example of a place where that happened. |  |
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| Petition on 10:35 - Mar 26 with 546 views | northstandwarky |
| Petition on 09:36 - Mar 26 by WarkOfTheTown |
If they have f***ed up, why don't they have the decency to admit it? |
Probably because Ashton is the type of bloke who doesn't admit mistakes, he'll probably say it's an 'opportunity to learn from some oversights in the tour management' [Post edited 26 Mar 10:54]
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| Petition on 10:43 - Mar 26 with 520 views | TownieRob |
| Petition on 10:16 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Do public organisations who make very public errors need to make public apologies? Yes.
Would the level of outrage be different if it was another politician? Probably. But that says more about the type of politician we have allowed to use our club. I'm sure Reform and its voters would be very unhappy at Polanski using Ipswich, which would be equally divisive to the fanbase.
Clubs do bring people together. Do you think that's what has happened now? [Post edited 26 Mar 10:16]
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My honest view, based on what I’ve seen on here and elsewhere, is that if someone like Polanksi or Keir had turned up, there wouldn’t have been anywhere near the same uproar. I don’t particularly like any of them, but I’d have reacted the same way , shrug of the shoulders, bit of a head shake, and get on with my day. Probably just put it down as a mistake by the club. Let’s be honest, they’ve not made many of those recently.
What does another apology actually achieve? Does it genuinely change anything, or just make people feel a bit better for a moment?
They’ve already made a statement, expecting them to keep coming out as it's 'not quite right' doesn’t really help anything, in my opinion. | | | |
| Petition on 10:45 - Mar 26 with 509 views | grow_our_own |
We should address the petition: "To Mark" | | | |
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| Petition on 10:46 - Mar 26 with 508 views | WarkOfTheTown |
| Petition on 09:37 - Mar 26 by backwaywhen |
Get a life , you’re dragging the club down even more and adding fuel to a fire that will distinguish itself in a few days.
I bet you send your wife downstairs to check for a burglar. |
No, I send my husband | | | |
| Petition on 10:49 - Mar 26 with 494 views | CastroSito |
| Petition on 10:43 - Mar 26 by TownieRob |
My honest view, based on what I’ve seen on here and elsewhere, is that if someone like Polanksi or Keir had turned up, there wouldn’t have been anywhere near the same uproar. I don’t particularly like any of them, but I’d have reacted the same way , shrug of the shoulders, bit of a head shake, and get on with my day. Probably just put it down as a mistake by the club. Let’s be honest, they’ve not made many of those recently.
What does another apology actually achieve? Does it genuinely change anything, or just make people feel a bit better for a moment?
They’ve already made a statement, expecting them to keep coming out as it's 'not quite right' doesn’t really help anything, in my opinion. |
Another public apology? Can you send me a link to it? | | | |
| Petition on 10:54 - Mar 26 with 462 views | SitfcB |
| Petition on 10:01 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Most people want some form of recognition from the club that the whole event has been a complete disaster, they're sorry that it happened, and steps have been put in place to make sure something like this can't happen again?
"If every mistake leads straight to public pile-ons, we end up in a place where no one is allowed to get things wrong or learn from it."
The club have not said they have made a mistake. They have not said they have got it wrong. They have not said they are learning from it. |
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| Petition on 11:03 - Mar 26 with 437 views | WarkOfTheTown |
| Petition on 10:01 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Most people want some form of recognition from the club that the whole event has been a complete disaster, they're sorry that it happened, and steps have been put in place to make sure something like this can't happen again?
"If every mistake leads straight to public pile-ons, we end up in a place where no one is allowed to get things wrong or learn from it."
The club have not said they have made a mistake. They have not said they have got it wrong. They have not said they are learning from it. |
I agree, hubris needs to be replaced by humility. I wish Ashton would be big enough to do the decent thing,, but instead he appears arrogant. I'm losing any respect I had for him. | | | |
| Petition on 11:03 - Mar 26 with 437 views | TownieRob |
| Petition on 10:49 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Another public apology? Can you send me a link to it? |
Apologies, I meant public statement. This kind of proves my point, we’re now getting into semantics rather than the actual issue.
The club have already addressed it. Whether it's called a statement or an apology, the expectation now seems to be that they keep repeating themselves until it satisfies everyone, which realistically is never going to happen and is no longerabout accountability and starts becoming about demanding a very specific response.
Anyway, I’m done with this one as I don’t have the same level of anger or energy for it that some of our ‘more tolerant’ fans seem to. Have a great day, if you can. | | | |
| Petition on 11:06 - Mar 26 with 422 views | Wright1 |
| Petition on 09:19 - Mar 26 by ITFCson |
Making a petition will just bring more unwanted attention to the club. Please please just let it go, for the good of the club. This used to be a football forum - I miss those days. |
The club brought politics in to football when they allowed this visit and the ensuing social media posts to happen. The two are linked for the foreseeable now i'm afraid. That is why these kind of associations should be avoided at all costs. | | | |
| Petition on 11:08 - Mar 26 with 407 views | darkhorse28 |
| Petition on 09:19 - Mar 26 by ITFCson |
Making a petition will just bring more unwanted attention to the club. Please please just let it go, for the good of the club. This used to be a football forum - I miss those days. |
You think players, agents. Sponsors, coaches. Managers, the whole football community will also brush it under the carpet??
This will KILL our club and ability to compete. And mostly silently too!!
You will need to grow a pair and STAND UP FOR OUR VALUES our club and identity and we WILL need to deal with this.
What’s the opposite of running towards adversity? THAT.
If we don’t deal with this. The destruction of our brand equity and commercial appeal, will slowly destroy this club, there a reason no club has ever done this. Even Refirm lovers won’t touch us with a barge poll (commercially) if you have something to sell, and everyone in football is their own brand now, you CANT touch us.., we are TOXIC
So NO. This isn’t going away or being brushed under the carpet as a bad day at the office!!!
So maybe a petition is a good idea…, we need action…, an apology, and Ashton gone.
As long as he stays, we are a toxic brand. And if you don’t think that’s important…, see how you feel back in league one - you can’t be successful without players, managers. Coaches, sponsors. And supporters! (Globally) it ost possible!!!
Now grow a pair!! For gods sake, do you even like our club?
Well fight for it then. | | | |
| Petition on 11:11 - Mar 26 with 408 views | delias_cheesy_flaps |
You need to get a grip and stop wetting your bedclothes! |  |
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| Petition on 11:12 - Mar 26 with 407 views | fab_lover |
| Petition on 09:37 - Mar 26 by jayessess |
I get the impulse to want to move on but I think some people are wildly over-estimating the extent to which this is going to just go away.
There is *already* a section of the fan base that produces stickers with far right themes. There are *already* people who sing songs with far right themes. This is absolutely going to create a permission structure for that.
You can let it happen, say nothing and have that become the fan culture of the club - we become Reform FC forever. There are plenty of clubs who let that happen and will always be tarnished with those associations - People still call Real Madrid "Franco's club", no one thinks of Lazio without thinking of the Di Canio fascist salute, people still remember Millwall and Chelsea's associations with Combat 18. Farage and the club have taken the option to be just another "our fanbase isn't really political" club out of our hands. [Post edited 26 Mar 9:41]
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"You can let it happen, say nothing and have that become the fan culture of the club - we become Reform FC forever."
This is the most salient point that's been made.
ITFC was - at the start of this week - a team with a lot of goodwill from people who didn't necessarily support Ipswich. We were known as a "family club" with a "fair play" attitude. "Tractor boys", OK, country bumpkins for some, but the sentiment towards us was friendly. We were a lot of people's "second team".
That - currently - is at risk, if not gone. Could it be recovered? Yes. Is it worth recovering? Emphatically, Yes. Will it be recovered if nothing happens? No. Not a hope. |  | | |
| Petition on 11:12 - Mar 26 with 402 views | Wright1 |
| Petition on 10:09 - Mar 26 by TownieRob |
I get what you’re saying, but does everything automatically needs a public apology. Also, would we be demanding the same response if it was a political figure people agreed with? I’m not convinced we would.
Clubs bring together people with all sorts of views. Expecting a statement every time something divides opinion feels like a slippery slope, rather than something that actually helps. |
I hate this argument that I keep seeing banded around. He and his party aren't just another political party - just google some of the recent testimonies about Farage's past and look at some of the repulsive stuff coming out of the party. I wouldn't have been chuffed if it was the Tories for example but I think it naive to think that Reform is just another political party. | | | |
| Petition on 11:14 - Mar 26 with 392 views | CastroSito |
| Petition on 11:03 - Mar 26 by TownieRob |
Apologies, I meant public statement. This kind of proves my point, we’re now getting into semantics rather than the actual issue.
The club have already addressed it. Whether it's called a statement or an apology, the expectation now seems to be that they keep repeating themselves until it satisfies everyone, which realistically is never going to happen and is no longerabout accountability and starts becoming about demanding a very specific response.
Anyway, I’m done with this one as I don’t have the same level of anger or energy for it that some of our ‘more tolerant’ fans seem to. Have a great day, if you can. |
Semantics? What the hell are you talking about? A statement and an apology are two very different things. Do you genuinely not see the difference? Staggering. People aren't asking the club to repeat themselves, they're asking them to say something they've not said yet, that it should not have happened.
Also, your last line gives you away. I'll have a great day mate, don't worry. | | | |
| Petition on 11:16 - Mar 26 with 387 views | Ralphinho |
Start the petition, share the link and people can sign if they so wish.
Do it under another thread, just to annoy the people who are happy to be associated with Uncle Nige and don't think the club should actually apologise for dividing our fan base. |  |
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| Petition on 11:20 - Mar 26 with 372 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Petition to grab more media attention? No.
Ashton should have said something by now? Yes. |  |
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| Petition on 11:25 - Mar 26 with 364 views | BlueDouglas |
| Petition on 11:16 - Mar 26 by Ralphinho |
Start the petition, share the link and people can sign if they so wish.
Do it under another thread, just to annoy the people who are happy to be associated with Uncle Nige and don't think the club should actually apologise for dividing our fan base. |
dont have to be a farage fan to think some supporters are being a bit silly over all this | |
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| Petition on 11:37 - Mar 26 with 327 views | delias_cheesy_flaps |
| Petition on 11:25 - Mar 26 by BlueDouglas |
dont have to be a farage fan to think some supporters are being a bit silly over all this |
Leftists seem happy letting thousand's of unknown aliens enter the country illegally…but get bent out of shape with an English gent? | |
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| Petition on 12:00 - Mar 26 with 298 views | TownieRob |
| Petition on 11:14 - Mar 26 by CastroSito |
Semantics? What the hell are you talking about? A statement and an apology are two very different things. Do you genuinely not see the difference? Staggering. People aren't asking the club to repeat themselves, they're asking them to say something they've not said yet, that it should not have happened.
Also, your last line gives you away. I'll have a great day mate, don't worry. |
I don’t really know why I’m responding at this point as I have things to do, but for what it’s worth. I don’t particularly care for Nigel Farage, Keir or Polanski.T he difference is I choose not to be offended by this situation. I just move on.
Also, the 'gives you away' comment, I’m not sure what it’s meant to expose, other than that I don’t have the same level of outrage, which I’ve been pretty open about. If anything, it probably just means I have a higher level of tolerance on this sort of thing.
Anyway, genuinely have a good day. [Post edited 26 Mar 13:16]
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| Petition on 12:07 - Mar 26 with 288 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Petition on 11:37 - Mar 26 by delias_cheesy_flaps |
Leftists seem happy letting thousand's of unknown aliens enter the country illegally…but get bent out of shape with an English gent? |
Try not to be such a nob eh, there's a good lad. |  | | |
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