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guarantee promotion from the final 2 matches.
Fans were excited, the mood was amazing and most believed great things could and would happen and got 100% behind the team.
The difference in mood this season, considering we require 3 points from the last 2 games is worlds apart.
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we've had a higher proportion of your proper results this season than in 2023-24, think it's your mind playing tricks on you.
we were far more likely to win 1-0/2-1 last time [Post edited 25 Apr 23:50]
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just checked, we've won 2-0 6 times, 3-1 twice, won by 3 clear goals 5 times, 5-0 once. 14 "proper" wins out of 22.
last time less than half of our wins were "proper"! |  |
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we've had a higher proportion of your proper results this season than in 2023-24, think it's your mind playing tricks on you.
we were far more likely to win 1-0/2-1 last time [Post edited 25 Apr 23:50]
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I disagree
town coventry 3-2
town blackburn 4-3
town hull 3-0
town preston 4-2
town plymouth 3-2
town millwall 3-1
town millwall 4-0
town wednesday 6-0
town southampton 3-2
town hull 3-3
town huddersfield 2-0
town rotherham 4-3
town swansea 3-2
Btw im not belittling this season, that's not my aim, i'm just sharing why i think the feelings are vastly different, and mainly caused by those missed chances.
You look at the above scorelines and year defensively some of those are painful lol, but we freely scored, got back into games, won points from behind We've had opportunities to do that this season at times, but it's not really happened and i think that's why it does feel so different. |  |
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just checked, we've won 2-0 6 times, 3-1 twice, won by 3 clear goals 5 times, 5-0 once. 14 "proper" wins out of 22.
last time less than half of our wins were "proper"! |
You've literally ignored my second paragraph in that post it wasn;t just about 2-0 3 1 scorelines. | |
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I disagree
town coventry 3-2
town blackburn 4-3
town hull 3-0
town preston 4-2
town plymouth 3-2
town millwall 3-1
town millwall 4-0
town wednesday 6-0
town southampton 3-2
town hull 3-3
town huddersfield 2-0
town rotherham 4-3
town swansea 3-2
Btw im not belittling this season, that's not my aim, i'm just sharing why i think the feelings are vastly different, and mainly caused by those missed chances.
You look at the above scorelines and year defensively some of those are painful lol, but we freely scored, got back into games, won points from behind We've had opportunities to do that this season at times, but it's not really happened and i think that's why it does feel so different. |
that's less than half of our wins, and you've included a load of narrow wins (and even a draw!). last year was very much, "we're going to score one more than you", which is fun, but shown up terribly in the premier league.
this year has been an evolution, we've scored less, but conceded less, (we've started to win from behind now as well) | |
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that's less than half of our wins, and you've included a load of narrow wins (and even a draw!). last year was very much, "we're going to score one more than you", which is fun, but shown up terribly in the premier league.
this year has been an evolution, we've scored less, but conceded less, (we've started to win from behind now as well) |
Yes because i said in my post about the proper results that it wasn;t just about clear goal differences but also included some wins and points won from behind and many of those results I wrote included that.
You;ve hit the nail though on your reply... fun. That's why it feels so different for many
I've backed and sung the song sheet that we;ve completely gone into this season with prem playing views and changed the way we've played. Some have countered that and said we are playing no differently to any other time under KM, I think our chat here is proof of how different the seasons are and how we have approached them.
But that is why indeed the feelings are vastly different, 23/24 was 'fun' this year i guess you could say is a bit more pragmatic, if half those 70 cleat cut chances go in, the feeling of this season itself may be vastly different to what it is for many people. | |
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I don't really see how you're coming to that conclusion. I was simply comparing the seasons and why I feel this season 'feels' different to that season.
We've had the opportunity to get some better scorelines this season, that's not me being entitled to say that JD, that's just fact, over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo |
”… over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo”
As I said in my other post, I don’t see how you can say that when Southampton have missed more than us, and Millwall are just behind. For the successful teams, creating lots of chances, statistically they’ll have more misses. There is no significant outlier with our number of missed big chances. | | | |
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Promotion back then wasn't even a thought at the beginning of the season. If we got it amazing if we didnt wow what a season still
This season promotion is a minium expectation and if not for a pss poor first month wed have already got it really. But it does come down to trust. Results and form show we should be ok. But our actual performance levels recently have been incredibly poor ls are incits difficult to trust us going into any game regardless of the actual form. But results are all that matters
For every nodge performance weve had a pompy one.
We've had boro and then a poor charlton one
Today wasnt amazing. Tues we dont know yet
So next saturday... it should should be a win. But we thought that v charlton at home.
This side isnt beaten by many sides. But its beaten by itself often. [Post edited 26 Apr 0:42]
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Actual performance levels have not been incredibly poor. We've played some superb football at times.
We have had some poor performances admittedly, consistency has been a problem, but on the whole we've been very good. We wouldn't be 2nd otherwise. We haven't fluked it. | | | |
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Yes because i said in my post about the proper results that it wasn;t just about clear goal differences but also included some wins and points won from behind and many of those results I wrote included that.
You;ve hit the nail though on your reply... fun. That's why it feels so different for many
I've backed and sung the song sheet that we;ve completely gone into this season with prem playing views and changed the way we've played. Some have countered that and said we are playing no differently to any other time under KM, I think our chat here is proof of how different the seasons are and how we have approached them.
But that is why indeed the feelings are vastly different, 23/24 was 'fun' this year i guess you could say is a bit more pragmatic, if half those 70 cleat cut chances go in, the feeling of this season itself may be vastly different to what it is for many people. |
how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) | |
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how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) |
We missed 66 big chances in 23/24 season.
Edit : we also created less - 112 over 46 games vs 119 so far this season. [Post edited 26 Apr 0:22]
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”… over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo”
As I said in my other post, I don’t see how you can say that when Southampton have missed more than us, and Millwall are just behind. For the successful teams, creating lots of chances, statistically they’ll have more misses. There is no significant outlier with our number of missed big chances. |
I don't see why i can;t say it, just because other sides missed their own, that's upto them and how they feel about it
You can;t tell me as an ipswich fan, you don;t think people's feelings about this season wouldn't be different if of our own created chances, we scored more of them, i know that;s obvious, but im just simply defending the club that this season hasn;t been as bad as it appears, it;s just we've not been clinical despite creating a hell of a lot of opportunities.
blimey, last time i try and defend the side this season, jeez | |
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how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) |
66 in 23 compared to 81 this season ( google ai, so maybe wrong)
George though apparently has missed the same 18 in each, but has scored more this season.
Again though it's not entitlement to expect promotion, fans can't be entitled to it as it's not something that can be owed to them. They can and it's ok probably to expect it considering in most seasons, parachute clubs are usually in that situation and we did recruit heavily for this season to do so and concentrated on that over looking to stay in the prem. | |
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I don't see why i can;t say it, just because other sides missed their own, that's upto them and how they feel about it
You can;t tell me as an ipswich fan, you don;t think people's feelings about this season wouldn't be different if of our own created chances, we scored more of them, i know that;s obvious, but im just simply defending the club that this season hasn;t been as bad as it appears, it;s just we've not been clinical despite creating a hell of a lot of opportunities.
blimey, last time i try and defend the side this season, jeez |
You’re asking for something out of the ordinary though. An outlier. The extraordinary. You want us to have scored half of those missed big chances. That would mean we’d have only missed about 35% of our big chances. That just doesn’t happen. 55-65% is more normal statistically for the best performing teams - look at the stats for the top Championship sides over the last few seasons. And that’s pretty much where we are.
Sure we’d all like Town to take more chances, but to expect something that is so far outside the norm makes no sense. It’s like expecting them to achieve 120 points - possible, but unlikely. | | | |
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You’re asking for something out of the ordinary though. An outlier. The extraordinary. You want us to have scored half of those missed big chances. That would mean we’d have only missed about 35% of our big chances. That just doesn’t happen. 55-65% is more normal statistically for the best performing teams - look at the stats for the top Championship sides over the last few seasons. And that’s pretty much where we are.
Sure we’d all like Town to take more chances, but to expect something that is so far outside the norm makes no sense. It’s like expecting them to achieve 120 points - possible, but unlikely. |
I wasnt being literall. Ok say we scored 5 of them. Or 3. Say one of them today.
Was just saying its not all bad. | |
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I wasnt being literall. Ok say we scored 5 of them. Or 3. Say one of them today.
Was just saying its not all bad. |
Well, the difference between 35 and “…5 of them. Or 3.” is pretty monumentally different. Hard to debate if you aren’t clear on what you mean. 3 might have turned a match or two, but would that have transformed the perception of the season? I don’t see it.
Our season has been pretty good, although not as easy as we all hoped, and probably expected to some extent. The missed big chances isn’t as terrible as some make it out to be though. Yes, it could have been better, but it’s pretty much in the normal range for a top team in the championship when you look at the current and previous seasons (normalising it as a percentage over a full season) | | | |
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OP: I think difference between then and now is how the two teams/ squad's are playing. This current one doesn't appear to have the same mental / physical strength and we are looking very jittery.
Also the way the fixtures have gone this season we are definitely getting a raw deal with regards to the number of games within so many days. Most are away from home, so little time for rest due to travelling compared to our opponents. |
In my opinion we had better players two years ago in key positions and those who may be the same, such as Hirst, are shadows of their 24 selves. Confidence was high and mentality was strong in that team, but players like Morse, Mass, Hutch, Chappers, Hladky, Wes and Broadhead for me are better than what we have now (Azor excepted).
Our main deficiency this season has been conversion rate of chances, as well as a bit less creativity generally, but we have been good enough in certain areas to just about make up for that and hang in there. It may just be enough or it may not, but whether we go up or not, significant changes have to be made next season to achieve whichever objective we have, be that survival in the Prem or promotion. |  | | |
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